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What do you think of the new rumored dedicated Film Sims dial on the X-T50?

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In my opinion, Fuji's best camera for those photographers that do not want to move to the X-T* series is the X-S20. It is the most complete camera in terms of size and general photography that Fuji makes. It is suitable for small to telephotos lenses, because of it's grip.
 
MyReality said:
In my opinion, Fuji's best camera for those photographers that do not want to move to the X-T* series is the X-S20. It is the most complete camera in terms of size and general photography that Fuji makes. It is suitable for small to telephotos lenses, because of it's grip.
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It's the camera I'm currently considering as an upgrade my X-T30.

- Has IBIS (what I'm mostly missing in my current body)

- Has 26 mp which I prefer to 40 mp due to file sizes

- Has the newest processor and improved AF features

- Is not much larger - considering I always have a lens attached to the body, the protruding grip isn't of concern to me. In fact, it'll improve handling as you mentioned.

- I don't mind the PSAM layout or the articulated screen

- The biggest (and main) drawback is the lack of a focus mode lever at the front of the camera.
 
Erik Baumgartner said:
GreatOceanSoftware said:
Erik Baumgartner said:
michaeladawson said:
Erik Baumgartner said:
but, alas, the X-Txx (and X-E) lines are dead to me now.
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Erik, can you remind me again what it is about the X-E4 that kill it for you? I have an X-E3 that I like a lot for its very small size. I wanted an X-E4 but the loss of one of the command dials kills it for me.

But I seem to recall you saying the loss of a command dial was OK with you. It was some other feature losses that put you off it.
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No, I’m definitely not OK with the loss of a command dial, that’s a big reason, but the loss of the MCS switch is a dealbreaker all by itself, I use it almost every time I shoot. The rear screen that flips the image upside down when you shoot at waist level, a significant shortage of customizable buttons, and no grip whatsoever are also problematic (and I’m probably forgetting some stuff). I would much prefer using an X-E3, but it’s loss of the d-pad, no tilt screen, and no highlight warning blinkies are problematic for me with that one and make the X-T20 my preferred small Fuji body.
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I took a chance on the XE4 and it’s been my travel camera ever since. My only wish is that the viewfinder was a bigger and Fujifilm would do more to slim down their zoom lenses.

I could see myself trying the XT50, but I’ll have to give it some more thought.

Erik, from the sound of it, I think you’d enjoy the XT5. It’s also been a solid performer. I was glad I took it to New Zealand instead of the XE4 for the WR. Lots of rain and mist.
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I’ve had some money squirreled away for an X-T5 for a while now, but I wanted to see what the X-T50 would be like (I hate it already, so that one’s out). Now I’m wondering if I’ll bother replacing my X-T2 and/or X-T20 at all - they still work fine, I’m not seeing many people getting a whole lot more meaningful detail out of their 40MP cameras, and while I am experiencing absolutely zero focusing issues with my X-T2 or X-T20, judging by all the recent threads on the matter, people can’t seem to focus reliably on the broad side of a barn with any of their newer cameras, so why should I bother “upgrading” at all right now?

The X-T5 is a real upgrade to my X-T2, but do I really need it?

Are future Fuji cameras going to cater to everyone except long time Fuji users?
Will future Fuji cameras be much like the Nikon, Sony, Canon alternatives, but with lousy Auto-Focus and smaller sensors?

I don’t know, but I’m not sure I want to stick around with $1800 less in my pocket to find out.
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Nah, of course you don’t need it. But if your XT 2/20 series becomes impractical to repair or replace, I think it’s the natural next best option. But the XT6 or 7 may even be out by then, and I think Fujifilm will still center the XT, XP, and yes, XE lines on stills. While they’re not averse to trying new things (XP3 screen, XE4 Leica-fication, XT50 film sim dial), they’re also willing to course correct (XT4 flippy screen). I don’t see myself abandoning Fujifilm because of design changes on any particular model when they still have so many things that I appreciate.
 
LastLapPass said:
If it is true, isn't this simply an attempt to attract the younger phone crowd that is filter happy?

JJ
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I'd put Fuji film simulations in a completely separate class from the filters that are popular with the younger crowd. Hey Fujifilm... where are the Gen Z film simulations?
 
I’m not particularly troubled by it and, as a primarily jpg shooter, I more often want to change my film sim on the fly than tweak my Drive settings. (Wouldn’t be surprised to find a Drive button on the rear anyhow.)

Either way, I’m not in the market for this camera anyhow.
 
jaberg said:
I’m not particularly troubled by it and, as a primarily jpg shooter, I more often want to change my film sim on the fly than tweak my Drive settings. (Wouldn’t be surprised to find a Drive button on the rear anyhow.)

Either way, I’m not in the market for this camera anyhow.
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Just out of curiousity: how do you determine which film sim is best, for you of course, for the scene in your viewfinder that you will shoot?
 
io_bg said:
MyReality said:
In my opinion, Fuji's best camera for those photographers that do not want to move to the X-T* series is the X-S20. It is the most complete camera in terms of size and general photography that Fuji makes. It is suitable for small to telephotos lenses, because of it's grip.
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It's the camera I'm currently considering as an upgrade my X-T30.

- Has IBIS (what I'm mostly missing in my current body)
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Same for me.
io_bg said:
- Has 26 mp which I prefer to 40 mp due to file sizes
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Agree again.
io_bg said:
- Has the newest processor and improved AF features
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I think that will be the final upgrade. I do not think there will be a X-S30 with the X-T50 coming. Which also means that it should go on sale soon.
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- Is not much larger - considering I always have a lens attached to the body, the protruding grip isn't of concern to me. In fact, it'll improve handling as you mentioned.
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The protruding grip is a plus for me, because when It goes on sale, I will match it with Fujis 18-50mm or something longer.
io_bg said:
- I don't mind the PSAM layout or the articulated screen
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I like both, especially for street or general photography.
io_bg said:
- The biggest (and main) drawback is the lack of a focus mode lever at the front of the camera.
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Doesn't bother me because I have my cameras set for APS-S for general photography.

For everything else, a big plus to me is the C!-C4 custom saved settings.
 
DJF55 said:
Just out of curiousity: how do you determine which film sim is best, for you of course, for the scene in your viewfinder that you will shoot?
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Instinct and experience.
 
DJF55 said:
jaberg said:
I’m not particularly troubled by it and, as a primarily jpg shooter, I more often want to change my film sim on the fly than tweak my Drive settings. (Wouldn’t be surprised to find a Drive button on the rear anyhow.)

Either way, I’m not in the market for this camera anyhow.
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Just out of curiousity: how do you determine which film sim is best, for you of course, for the scene in your viewfinder that you will shoot?
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This is one of the reasons I shoot RAW. I can chose the film sim as I convert by hovering over the thumbnail of the various sims and see what looks best to my eye.

Morris
 
Morris0 said:
DJF55 said:
jaberg said:
I’m not particularly troubled by it and, as a primarily jpg shooter, I more often want to change my film sim on the fly than tweak my Drive settings. (Wouldn’t be surprised to find a Drive button on the rear anyhow.)

Either way, I’m not in the market for this camera anyhow.
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Just out of curiousity: how do you determine which film sim is best, for you of course, for the scene in your viewfinder that you will shoot?
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This is one of the reasons I shoot RAW. I can chose the film sim as I convert by hovering over the thumbnail of the various sims and see what looks best to my eye.

Morris
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Exactly, same here. No useful input otherwise on how to change the film sim in camera "on the fly".
 
DJF55 said:
Morris0 said:
DJF55 said:
jaberg said:
I’m not particularly troubled by it and, as a primarily jpg shooter, I more often want to change my film sim on the fly than tweak my Drive settings. (Wouldn’t be surprised to find a Drive button on the rear anyhow.)

Either way, I’m not in the market for this camera anyhow.
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Just out of curiousity: how do you determine which film sim is best, for you of course, for the scene in your viewfinder that you will shoot?
Click to expand...
This is one of the reasons I shoot RAW. I can chose the film sim as I convert by hovering over the thumbnail of the various sims and see what looks best to my eye.

Morris
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Exactly, same here. No useful input otherwise on how to change the film sim in camera "on the fly".
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Not sure what you earn by “on the fly” but it’s easy to do the equivalent of what Morris said on the XT50. Just put your eye to the viewfinder and turn the film sim dial to see how the film sims affect your image. I can do the same thing on my other Fujis by assigning ‘Film Sim’ to a Fn button, or assign ‘Select Custom Setting’ to change entire recipes. Most of the screen is clear of information so you can easily see how the changes affect your photo.

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DJF55 said:
Morris0 said:
DJF55 said:
jaberg said:
I’m not particularly troubled by it and, as a primarily jpg shooter, I more often want to change my film sim on the fly than tweak my Drive settings. (Wouldn’t be surprised to find a Drive button on the rear anyhow.)

Either way, I’m not in the market for this camera anyhow.
Click to expand...
Just out of curiousity: how do you determine which film sim is best, for you of course, for the scene in your viewfinder that you will shoot?
Click to expand...
This is one of the reasons I shoot RAW. I can chose the film sim as I convert by hovering over the thumbnail of the various sims and see what looks best to my eye.

Morris
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Exactly, same here. No useful input otherwise on how to change the film sim in camera "on the fly".
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I would like to take profit from these features that Fujifilm give to JPEGs that would theoretically let me get the image I want right out of camera, like the film sims, the white balance, sharpness, noise, DR, …and forget about sitting on my machine later, but I can’t find myself using a definite setting for one shooting session. I see myself using different settings with almost every shot, as each shot has its own mood and look, specially in landscapes. Perhaps it would work more with streets.
 
DJF55 said:
Instinct? Interesting!
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Intuition? Analysis? Intent? Random guess? It's the same skillset that went into choosing film type.

It's also not an exact science, at least as I practice it. Mistakes, failure, and controlled accidents are all part of the process.
 
DarnGoodPhotos said:
DJF55 said:
Morris0 said:
DJF55 said:
jaberg said:
I’m not particularly troubled by it and, as a primarily jpg shooter, I more often want to change my film sim on the fly than tweak my Drive settings. (Wouldn’t be surprised to find a Drive button on the rear anyhow.)

Either way, I’m not in the market for this camera anyhow.
Click to expand...
Just out of curiousity: how do you determine which film sim is best, for you of course, for the scene in your viewfinder that you will shoot?
Click to expand...
This is one of the reasons I shoot RAW. I can chose the film sim as I convert by hovering over the thumbnail of the various sims and see what looks best to my eye.

Morris
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Exactly, same here. No useful input otherwise on how to change the film sim in camera "on the fly".
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Not sure what you earn by “on the fly” but it’s easy to do the equivalent of what Morris said on the XT50. Just put your eye to the viewfinder and turn the film sim dial to see how the film sims affect your image. I can do the same thing on my other Fujis by assigning ‘Film Sim’ to a Fn button, or assign ‘Select Custom Setting’ to change entire recipes. Most of the screen is clear of information so you can easily see how the changes affect your photo.
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"On the fly" was on purpose between "" since I quoted jaberg. I sometimes have problems seeing the fine nuances between some film sims on my 27" Eizo monitor, so how that should work "on the fly" reliably in the viewfinder, well... And if once shot in jpg and at home on the monitor one is not happy with the result, then bad luck. Unless one has the RAW file. And I have said this before: Fujifilm should develop and sell an app working like the X Raw Studio, albeit using the processor on the PC / Apple or even on Android / Apple tablets. Then they could also easily make newer film sims available on older camera models. This would allow for rther adjustments like WB, sharpness, NR etc. I am sure that some RAW developer providers would not be pleased with such an app. Maybe that is why Fujifilm doesn't do it. Honi soit qui mal y pense.
 
DJF55 said:
Morris0 said:
DJF55 said:
jaberg said:
I’m not particularly troubled by it and, as a primarily jpg shooter, I more often want to change my film sim on the fly than tweak my Drive settings. (Wouldn’t be surprised to find a Drive button on the rear anyhow.)

Either way, I’m not in the market for this camera anyhow.
Click to expand...
Just out of curiousity: how do you determine which film sim is best, for you of course, for the scene in your viewfinder that you will shoot?
Click to expand...
This is one of the reasons I shoot RAW. I can chose the film sim as I convert by hovering over the thumbnail of the various sims and see what looks best to my eye.

Morris
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Exactly, same here. No useful input otherwise on how to change the film sim in camera "on the fly".
Click to expand...
 
GreatOceanSoftware said:
DJF55 said:
Morris0 said:
DJF55 said:
jaberg said:
I’m not particularly troubled by it and, as a primarily jpg shooter, I more often want to change my film sim on the fly than tweak my Drive settings. (Wouldn’t be surprised to find a Drive button on the rear anyhow.)

Either way, I’m not in the market for this camera anyhow.
Click to expand...
Just out of curiousity: how do you determine which film sim is best, for you of course, for the scene in your viewfinder that you will shoot?
Click to expand...
This is one of the reasons I shoot RAW. I can chose the film sim as I convert by hovering over the thumbnail of the various sims and see what looks best to my eye.

Morris
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Exactly, same here. No useful input otherwise on how to change the film sim in camera "on the fly".
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For me it’s the challenge of getting it right in camera. After so many years with Fujifilm, I can nail it most of the time. But I shoot RAW+JPEG just in case. Then as Morris said, I use DxO Film Pack to find an alternative as necessary.
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Instinct, experience, "after so many years with Fujifilm" sounds like nothing for new to Fujifilm buyers, if Fujifilm are trying to attract new buyers with easy to select film sim "on the fly" functionality. Why not keep the mode dial and allow for more than 3 film sim brackets. Like five, seven... Still wondering about the goal Fujifilm is pursuing to attract new buyers. Seems Fujifilm are rather shying away long time and convinced, at least so far, users.

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DJF55 said:
GreatOceanSoftware said:
DJF55 said:
Morris0 said:
DJF55 said:
jaberg said:
I’m not particularly troubled by it and, as a primarily jpg shooter, I more often want to change my film sim on the fly than tweak my Drive settings. (Wouldn’t be surprised to find a Drive button on the rear anyhow.)

Either way, I’m not in the market for this camera anyhow.
Click to expand...
Just out of curiousity: how do you determine which film sim is best, for you of course, for the scene in your viewfinder that you will shoot?
Click to expand...
This is one of the reasons I shoot RAW. I can chose the film sim as I convert by hovering over the thumbnail of the various sims and see what looks best to my eye.

Morris
Click to expand...
Exactly, same here. No useful input otherwise on how to change the film sim in camera "on the fly".
Click to expand...
For me it’s the challenge of getting it right in camera. After so many years with Fujifilm, I can nail it most of the time. But I shoot RAW+JPEG just in case. Then as Morris said, I use DxO Film Pack to find an alternative as necessary.
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Instinct, experience, "after so many years with Fujifilm" sounds like nothing for new to Fujifilm buyers, if Fujifilm are trying to attract new buyers with easy to select film sim "on the fly" functionality. Why not keep the mode dial and allow for more than 3 film sim brackets. Like five, seven... Still wondering about the goal Fujifilm is pursuing to attract new buyers. Seems Fujifilm are rather shying away long time and convinced, at least so far, users.
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There’s nothing easier than turn dial and see what film sim name looks like in the viewfinder/screen.
 
DarnGoodPhotos said:
DJF55 said:
GreatOceanSoftware said:
DJF55 said:
Morris0 said:
DJF55 said:
jaberg said:
I’m not particularly troubled by it and, as a primarily jpg shooter, I more often want to change my film sim on the fly than tweak my Drive settings. (Wouldn’t be surprised to find a Drive button on the rear anyhow.)

Either way, I’m not in the market for this camera anyhow.
Click to expand...
Just out of curiousity: how do you determine which film sim is best, for you of course, for the scene in your viewfinder that you will shoot?
Click to expand...
This is one of the reasons I shoot RAW. I can chose the film sim as I convert by hovering over the thumbnail of the various sims and see what looks best to my eye.

Morris
Click to expand...
Exactly, same here. No useful input otherwise on how to change the film sim in camera "on the fly".
Click to expand...
For me it’s the challenge of getting it right in camera. After so many years with Fujifilm, I can nail it most of the time. But I shoot RAW+JPEG just in case. Then as Morris said, I use DxO Film Pack to find an alternative as necessary.
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Instinct, experience, "after so many years with Fujifilm" sounds like nothing for new to Fujifilm buyers, if Fujifilm are trying to attract new buyers with easy to select film sim "on the fly" functionality. Why not keep the mode dial and allow for more than 3 film sim brackets. Like five, seven... Still wondering about the goal Fujifilm is pursuing to attract new buyers. Seems Fujifilm are rather shying away long time and convinced, at least so far, users.
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There’s nothing easier than turn dial and see what film sim name looks like in the viewfinder/screen.
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Looking forward to your first hand review of the X-T50, with a least 3 images of the same scene with different film sims, and which you would have chosen on the fly if you had only been allocated one image by Fujifilm, and why ;-)
 
what's the latest on the anticipated release date?
 
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