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"Skip the photoshoot"

...is apparently what Adobe is telling people.

Just a reminder that there are alternatives. There's even excellent free software (which could become fabulous with more users and more support).
 
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"Skip the photoshoot"

...is apparently what Adobe is telling people.

Just a reminder that there are alternatives. There's even excellent free software (which could become fabulous with more users and more support).
The title of the article says "Adobe throws photographers under the bus again".

This is laughable. Adobe isn't throwing anyone under any bus. Adobe is a publicly traded company which has a fiduciary duty to make the business decisions that will increase shareholder value.

Adobe has determined, and rightly so, that A.I. is going to completely and utterly transform the landscape of...well...everything. They have a fiduciary duty to understand the products they make and how they fit (profitably) into the current landscape and next year, or two years down the road, or ten years.

A.I. is going to put A LOT of people out of jobs. It is going to make a world as different from our current one as today's world is from the year 1900. Kids right now are going to live in a massively different technological world then anything adults today have experienced, or can possibly even imagine.

I am not saying it will be better, or worse. But it will change what we now do in ways we simply cannot imagine. A.I. is that transformative.

So Adobe is rightly planning for a scenario when the already relatively small (compared to the worlds population) group of 'pro users' or 'serious users' that use some of its products are no longer a viable, profitable group to serve. A.I. is going to put a lot of photographers out of business. Adobe is correct to anticipate this and plan their products accordingly.

Again, Adobe is legally obligated to make the decisions that will maintain profitability and viability as a corporate entity. Board members can actually be sued if found to have made harmful choices for a company. They are making the correct business decision to keep themselves solvent for the long term.

I say this as an Adobe paid user. I can say that their A.I. Denoise function is incredible in Lightroom. Adobe is not throwing anybody under the bus.

A.I. is going to throw everybody under the bus. Buckle up.

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If/when AI becomes omnipresent will we even need Adobe products ?

Watch out Adobe, you might keep your head above the AI water just a little longer than the photographers and graphic artists.

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Adobe doesn't care about people who are serious photographers. I'm guessing that of the people who use Adobe Creative Suite, very few are dedicated photographers. More of them are advertisers and commercial types who want to save even more by hiring less.

Imagine the following numerical scenario: imagine Adobe creates an AI feature that causes 10 photographers to lose their jobs, and they stop subscribing to Adobe creative suite. That's a loss of $200 per month (assuming the basic plan) or $2400 per year. But for those ten photographers, it has allowed one commercial advertiser to fire their graphic design assistant who was paid $40,000 per year (a very low salary, to create a lower bound).

How likely do you think it will be for that commercial advertiser to agree to pay a price increase for Adobe creative suite of an extra $4000 per year? Of course they will -- they're saving $36,000.

Yes, it won't happen all at once like that, but each small step like this connects two points in time that when simplified will be exactly like that.

But hasn't that happened with other automations, too? Well, with other automations, at least a reasonable number of people could find similar jobs doing something else. Of course, some couldn't. But now with AI, there will be very few decent jobs left. It's the speed of takeover in multiple disciplines that is unique to AI.

And even so, we should stop automating so much. It's not making life better any more.
 
"Skip the photoshoot"

...is apparently what Adobe is telling people.

Just a reminder that there are alternatives. There's even excellent free software (which could become fabulous with more users and more support).
The title of the article says "Adobe throws photographers under the bus again".

This is laughable. Adobe isn't throwing anyone under any bus. Adobe is a publicly traded company which has a fiduciary duty to make the business decisions that will increase shareholder value.

Adobe has determined, and rightly so, that A.I. is going to completely and utterly transform the landscape of...well...everything. They have a fiduciary duty to understand the products they make and how they fit (profitably) into the current landscape and next year, or two years down the road, or ten years.

A.I. is going to put A LOT of people out of jobs. It is going to make a world as different from our current one as today's world is from the year 1900. Kids right now are going to live in a massively different technological world then anything adults today have experienced, or can possibly even imagine.

I am not saying it will be better, or worse. But it will change what we now do in ways we simply cannot imagine. A.I. is that transformative.

So Adobe is rightly planning for a scenario when the already relatively small (compared to the worlds population) group of 'pro users' or 'serious users' that use some of its products are no longer a viable, profitable group to serve. A.I. is going to put a lot of photographers out of business. Adobe is correct to anticipate this and plan their products accordingly.

Again, Adobe is legally obligated to make the decisions that will maintain profitability and viability as a corporate entity. Board members can actually be sued if found to have made harmful choices for a company. They are making the correct business decision to keep themselves solvent for the long term.

I say this as an Adobe paid user. I can say that their A.I. Denoise function is incredible in Lightroom. Adobe is not throwing anybody under the bus.

A.I. is going to throw everybody under the bus. Buckle up.
Way too early to make such general predictions!
 
I am all for companies making a decent profit, as Adobe, a multi-billion dollar company before the subscription model was, but when companies put their shareholders over their customers, it's peace out for me.

Good luck Adobe.
 
...will be the ones who create the best A.I. text prompts?
 
"Skip the photoshoot"

...is apparently what Adobe is telling people.

Just a reminder that there are alternatives. There's even excellent free software (which could become fabulous with more users and more support).
The title of the article says "Adobe throws photographers under the bus again".

This is laughable. Adobe isn't throwing anyone under any bus. Adobe is a publicly traded company which has a fiduciary duty to make the business decisions that will increase shareholder value.

Adobe has determined, and rightly so, that A.I. is going to completely and utterly transform the landscape of...well...everything. They have a fiduciary duty to understand the products they make and how they fit (profitably) into the current landscape and next year, or two years down the road, or ten years.

A.I. is going to put A LOT of people out of jobs. It is going to make a world as different from our current one as today's world is from the year 1900. Kids right now are going to live in a massively different technological world then anything adults today have experienced, or can possibly even imagine.

I am not saying it will be better, or worse. But it will change what we now do in ways we simply cannot imagine. A.I. is that transformative.

So Adobe is rightly planning for a scenario when the already relatively small (compared to the worlds population) group of 'pro users' or 'serious users' that use some of its products are no longer a viable, profitable group to serve. A.I. is going to put a lot of photographers out of business. Adobe is correct to anticipate this and plan their products accordingly.

Again, Adobe is legally obligated to make the decisions that will maintain profitability and viability as a corporate entity. Board members can actually be sued if found to have made harmful choices for a company. They are making the correct business decision to keep themselves solvent for the long term.

I say this as an Adobe paid user. I can say that their A.I. Denoise function is incredible in Lightroom. Adobe is not throwing anybody under the bus.

A.I. is going to throw everybody under the bus. Buckle up.
Way too early to make such general predictions!
But not way to early to be cautious. In fact, there is never a time too early to be cautious and keep with what works.
 
A.I. is going to throw everybody under the bus. Buckle up.
In visions of the future, the machines did all the terrible jobs while we painted and wrote poetry.



The reality seems to be that the machines are writing the poetry and creating the art while humans toil to an ever more stressful schedule driven in part by the tech we’ve created.
 
The last time I used an adobe product was sometime during Win xp or 98 with one of the early elements programs. Actually it may have been a program called photoshop lite. From there i abandoned windows for linux so adobe anything was not an option. Not masquerading as a pro anything I would never have paid the outrageous prices for adobe products anyway. Even if I had, the subscription thing would have been the end anyway. Linux-free-GIMP-free- raw therapee/ART-free. Free works for me. I have never used the DPP windows software that accompanied my Canon cameras. Photography life still goes on without adobe or windows. You don't need AI software if you don't shoot at iso 5 million. Look what we did with asa 25. Save your money. Buy something nice for the wife. :-)
 
"Skip the photoshoot"

...is apparently what Adobe is telling people.

Just a reminder that there are alternatives. There's even excellent free software (which could become fabulous with more users and more support).
The title of the article says "Adobe throws photographers under the bus again".

This is laughable. Adobe isn't throwing anyone under any bus. Adobe is a publicly traded company which has a fiduciary duty to make the business decisions that will increase shareholder value.

Adobe has determined, and rightly so, that A.I. is going to completely and utterly transform the landscape of...well...everything. They have a fiduciary duty to understand the products they make and how they fit (profitably) into the current landscape and next year, or two years down the road, or ten years.

A.I. is going to put A LOT of people out of jobs. It is going to make a world as different from our current one as today's world is from the year 1900. Kids right now are going to live in a massively different technological world then anything adults today have experienced, or can possibly even imagine.

I am not saying it will be better, or worse. But it will change what we now do in ways we simply cannot imagine. A.I. is that transformative.

So Adobe is rightly planning for a scenario when the already relatively small (compared to the worlds population) group of 'pro users' or 'serious users' that use some of its products are no longer a viable, profitable group to serve. A.I. is going to put a lot of photographers out of business. Adobe is correct to anticipate this and plan their products accordingly.

Again, Adobe is legally obligated to make the decisions that will maintain profitability and viability as a corporate entity. Board members can actually be sued if found to have made harmful choices for a company. They are making the correct business decision to keep themselves solvent for the long term.

I say this as an Adobe paid user. I can say that their A.I. Denoise function is incredible in Lightroom. Adobe is not throwing anybody under the bus.

A.I. is going to throw everybody under the bus. Buckle up.
Way too early to make such general predictions!
But not way to early to be cautious. In fact, there is never a time too early to be cautious and keep with what works.
In the late 50s James Blish wrote a story of an Earth in deep depression. No one had jobs because anything requiring less than an 150 IQ was done by automation. That would mean only 4 people out of ten thousand would have jobs.

Depending on where you look, the experts are thinking by 2050 anywhere from 35 to 65% of today's jobs will not exist for humans. The machines will do it for you.
 
A.I. is going to put A LOT of people out of jobs.
But the vast majority of those will be producing images for commercial purposes. It won't affect say news journalism, sports, portraiture, landscape etc photographers much. People will still want to take and buy images that are 'real'.

What it will seriously affect, is the advertising industry. Which is all about selling us stuff, most of which we don't actually need. As I've said already; many advertising images we see contain no 'real' photography anyway. So AI will simply replace commercial image creators. It won't replace the documenting of facts, or art.

This is Capitalism eating itself.
 
"Skip the photoshoot"

...is apparently what Adobe is telling people.

Just a reminder that there are alternatives. There's even excellent free software (which could become fabulous with more users and more support).
The title of the article says "Adobe throws photographers under the bus again".

This is laughable. Adobe isn't throwing anyone under any bus. Adobe is a publicly traded company which has a fiduciary duty to make the business decisions that will increase shareholder value.

Adobe has determined, and rightly so, that A.I. is going to completely and utterly transform the landscape of...well...everything. They have a fiduciary duty to understand the products they make and how they fit (profitably) into the current landscape and next year, or two years down the road, or ten years.

A.I. is going to put A LOT of people out of jobs.
It's changing how we perform tasks. Some tasks will become delegatable to the AI. That allows a person more time to perform other tasks. Some jobs will no longer be needed. New jobs will be created.
It is going to make a world as different from our current one as today's world is from the year 1900. Kids right now are going to live in a massively different technological world then anything adults today have experienced, or can possibly even imagine.

I am not saying it will be better, or worse. But it will change what we now do in ways we simply cannot imagine. A.I. is that transformative.
Technology impacts how we accomplish everyday tasks. To illustrate, staying in touch with family was done via handwritten letters transported by horse 200 years ago, over the phone 100 years ago, by reconnecting with family on summer road trips 50 years ago, and on our smartphones using Facebook & Zoom, today.

How will AI impact the simple act of staying in touch with family? It could potentially automate the process. "Alexa, tell Facebook to post five recent photos with captions." The plus side of that is we'll be able to initiate the process of sharing updates on our way out the door to work. The potential downside of that is being personally removed from selecting and captioning the photos to be shared. Will automation make the act impersonal in a way people will notice?

Here's a different example, "Alexa, tell Zoom to schedule a chat with Mom & Dad." Zoom compares calendars, schedules the chat, and issues reminders. It automates and simplifies the logistical task of making the chat happen and allows the people to focus just on the interaction; the family time that makes a person's day, better.

I imagine a not too distant future in which AI helps people plan their daily commutes in a manner that makes travel time as efficient as possible. Just by scheduling departure times and routes intelligently, AI could reduce the time people spend stuck in traffic. Setting aside for a moment the benefits of using AI to facilitate an evolution in corporate culture that empowers employees to work remotely, AI has the potential to make the urban commute less stressful.
So Adobe is rightly planning for a scenario when the already relatively small (compared to the worlds population) group of 'pro users' or 'serious users' that use some of its products are no longer a viable, profitable group to serve.
Is it possible Adobe saw this coming years ago and that was a factor in renaming Lightroom to Lightroom Classic?
A.I. is going to put a lot of photographers out of business. Adobe is correct to anticipate this and plan their products accordingly.
Bigger picture, image making is and will continue to be impacted by AI. Adobe isn't in the photo software business. They're in the visual storytelling business; the human connection business. It doesn't matter what visual element a person needs to tell their story, Adobe has a product for that.
Again, Adobe is legally obligated to make the decisions that will maintain profitability and viability as a corporate entity. Board members can actually be sued if found to have made harmful choices for a company. They are making the correct business decision to keep themselves solvent for the long term.
Adobe, like all businesses, also has an obligation to conduct itself ethically. Profit is an important and appropriate motivating factor. But not profit at any cost. There are legal and ethical boundaries that, if crossed, can lead to penalties.

Here's a line of text from the "About Adobe" page on their website: Adobe offers groundbreaking technology that empowers everyone, everywhere to imagine, create, and bring any digital experience to life.

There's that word again, empowers. It implies a goal of making customers stronger and more capable, given the authority to control their lives. The underlying message is that Adobe's mission is to do good in the world. We can debate their success - or lack thereof - in achieving that goal all the live long day. But it is implied in their mission statement.

It's a mission that, if accomplished, comes with desired outcomes. They'll make the world a better place and be highly profitable as a result. The two are connected.
I say this as an Adobe paid user. I can say that their A.I. Denoise function is incredible in Lightroom. Adobe is not throwing anybody under the bus.

A.I. is going to throw everybody under the bus. Buckle up.
I would phrase it as AI, like all new technologies, is disruptive. It's ethically neutral. It's a tool that a person uses for good or ill. Yes, there are tasks a person performs today that will be delegatable to AI. Image-making is among those tasks.

If we go back in time a couple of generations to a time when the personal computer was becoming a common household "appliance", one of the outcomes of that technological revolution was a significant growth in digital photography. It's been just over a decade since the peak of the dedicated digital camera industry.

Cameras have been desirable as tools for making realistic images documenting real people, places, events, and things. That acknowledged, cameras have not been necessary to that task. Cameras were technology that made the task easier and more objective, more authentic.

AI automates the task so photorealism in image-making can be achieved rapidly and easily by anybody. A consequence is that the resulting image is less authentic. It may look realistic but shares this important distinction in common with a painting or sketch: an AI-generated image is a rendering of a subject that may or may not exist in the real world. If the subject is real, the accuracy and objectivity of the rendering are still limited.

A photo is an image of someone, someplace, something, or some event that exists in the real world. Light from the subject is projected on a medium that responds by making an image of that real thing. While there is human involvement in the making of a photo, there is also a level of authenticity and objectively that a painting, sketch or AI-generated image does not possess.

This doesn't make other visual media less than photography. Nor does it make them better. They're simply different. They're different methods of image-making.

Photography is already a niche practice. While Adobe has been growing its dominance - and profitability - as a manufacturer of software used by photographers, the market size has always been small. How much more niche will photography get? Will digital practitioners become as small in number as film photographers?

Lightroom Classic (LrC), while developed to be a digital darkroom, isn't limited to processing only photos. LrC can be used to process most image files. Even those generated by - gulp - AI. As long as there is a market for cameras used by image-makers who do photography, I'm confident Adobe and others will offer products for the processing and editing of those images.
 
AI is becoming part of everything, so we need to get used to it. It can be highly useful (think medical diagnosis) efficient (at my day job we are using it to write code and compare tax code changes) and intrusive (Google is scanning all your communications as we speak.)

AI will eliminate some jobs, and create others

Like anything else, using AI requires skill.

AI and CGI are already heavily used in Hollywood. Was anyone complaining that the tiger in the life of Pi wasn't real?

Often the same people who complain about AI turn around and complain that the eye detection on their new camera doesn't work on common sparrows.

I wish I could train my camera to follow a specific player on the field based on his uniform number, but that's more of personal issue.

The new lightroom filters for things like "detecting sky" are really kind of awesome and a lot faster and more accurate

Went to a talk given by the author of Prediction Machine really very interesting. When computers were new, everything was viewed as a computational problem. Increasingly, everything now is view as a prediction problem, and the systems with the most data can learn the best.

Deep fakes will be an issue going forward
 
Today's panic about AI reminds of the industrial revolution at the turn of the century (1900) in the US and the EU. Unions striking to keep member jobs and fear of automation.

Events like these are the natural progression of the scientific mind and cannot be stopped. There will always be people that want hang on to ideas and methods of the past. Many of those ideas and methods will be swept away.
 
When you shoot a pic at such a setting as you need to have your $200 app like dxo or other app rescue the crappy image you just took, AI is creating the image for you and all you and your camera have done is basically provide the instructions to AI that describe the content. There is little difference manually giving AI the image content instructions with your camera or providing content description through another device.
 
When you shoot a pic at such a setting as you need to have your $200 app like dxo or other app rescue the crappy image you just took, AI is creating the image for you and all you and your camera have done is basically provide the instructions to AI that describe the content. There is little difference manually giving AI the image content instructions with your camera or providing content description through another device.
The massive difference is that in the prompt->image generation case, I can concoct realistic-looking images of things that never happened. Anybody can be a "press photographer" and influence politics with false imagery. "Democratisation"? I think there are limits to the fakery that should be permitted...
 
I'll keep an eye out for the bad actors you describe, but for now I'm only looking at normal people with cameras.
 
I see it as Adobe is seeing the website developer, as opposed to photographer, as their upcoming mainstream customer.

And they might not be wrong. Corporate entities would gladly go right to the website folks instead of bothering with photographers and shoot schedules etc.

A large number of commercials (even major items like cars) are largely computer generated at this point, with 3d models sent to the ad agency. The advertising creator may never see the actual car.
 

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