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What do you think of the new rumored dedicated Film Sims dial on the X-T50?

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jerclarke said:
I want to send a quick message to anyone planning to buy this camera and excited for the film sim dial: Sorry if it seems like some of us are putting you down. I can imagine how spinning the dial and seeing the film sims change would be a pleasant way to enhance the feature, and if you only ever shoot in single-shot mode, I can see how the old drive dial felt like a bit of dead weight. Camera design is hard because as others have said, there are way too many features to have them all on dials, even on the X-T5, there will always be someone who's needs are relegated to configurable buttons.

Honestly though, I don't think that's who we're debating with in this forum.

A message for those who have X-H, X-S, or X-T cameras and to whom the X-Txx cameras are just a curiosity: Please imagine you were going to use the X-T50 as your only camera when having opinions about it. It seems like there's a lot of people here who think it's a fine idea because it will never affect them, rather than because it makes the X-T50 the best camera it can be 🤷🏻‍♀️
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I think Fujifilm is going after those who love the X100V/X100VI for the film sims; but, would also like an interchangeable lens camera.

Unfortunately at a price that high, I am ompelled to re-evaluate buying a X-T50 as my secondary camera body that has IBIS and was also really small cor use in my lifhtcweight kit. I can't ignore the advantages and fun the X-T5 is when the likely price of X-T50 bundled with the new kit lens will get really close to the X-H2.
 
jmccas said:
jerclarke said:
I want to send a quick message to anyone planning to buy this camera and excited for the film sim dial: Sorry if it seems like some of us are putting you down. I can imagine how spinning the dial and seeing the film sims change would be a pleasant way to enhance the feature, and if you only ever shoot in single-shot mode, I can see how the old drive dial felt like a bit of dead weight. Camera design is hard because as others have said, there are way too many features to have them all on dials, even on the X-T5, there will always be someone who's needs are relegated to configurable buttons.

Honestly though, I don't think that's who we're debating with in this forum.

A message for those who have X-H, X-S, or X-T cameras and to whom the X-Txx cameras are just a curiosity: Please imagine you were going to use the X-T50 as your only camera when having opinions about it. It seems like there's a lot of people here who think it's a fine idea because it will never affect them, rather than because it makes the X-T50 the best camera it can be 🤷🏻‍♀️
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I don’t know how I feel about the rumored specs. This or the X-T5 will be my first Fuji which will supplement my stable of Nikon bodies (Z8/D850/D500) and lenses.

I want something small hence the appeal of the X-T50. The X-T30ii was just about perfect but lacking IBIS. But the more info that gets released on the X-T50 the more I’m leaning towards the X-T5.

The dedicated SIM dial seems like a waste of space and the real estate would be better utilized for another function.
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I don’t get the annoyance with the sims-dial. At least it is a dial (more). I could never memorise the order of the film sims, but I could easily remember the functions I have associated with the positions on the dial if customising it. Would just be curious if the way you can set it to certain functions is limited.
 
Bill Ferris said:
michaeladawson said:
Bill Ferris said:
Fujifilm may soon release an X-T50. But that front view ain't it. At least, I hope to goodness it ain't.
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Are we talking about the same image? I'm afraid you may be sorely mistaken. I don't care for the admin over on FujiRumors, but he rarely gets this stuff wrong. He takes great care to make sure his track record is solid. I'd love for him to be wrong on this. But I doubt it.

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Now, I'm all aflutter with anticipation over what this Frankencamera will look like :)
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People complained about the grip on X-T30/20/10 being too small. Fuji makes it bigger - now people complain it's too ugly.

Fuji introduces a new dial - now there are about 20 different suggestions of what it 'should' be instead.

I'm pretty sure even if Fuji had a line up of 100 different camera models, many people would still complain there isn't one to their liking...
 
cafe snapper said:
People complained about the grip on X-T30/20/10 being too small. Fuji makes it bigger - now people complain it's too ugly.

Fuji introduces a new dial - now there are about 20 different suggestions of what it 'should' be instead.

I'm pretty sure even if Fuji had a line up of 100 different camera models, many people would still complain there isn't one to their liking...
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Based on the leaked images so far they didn't "introduce" a dial, they took away a dial that has been on every X-Tx and X-Txx camera since inception, replacing it with something many of us will never have a use for.

We'll see if they are in fact introducing a dial once the full camera is revealed. If there's an X-T5-style sub-dial with the drive modes, then you might end up being right. For now we have no reason to believe that's the case.
 
MarcosV said:
Unfortunately at a price that high, I am ompelled to re-evaluate buying a X-T50 as my secondary camera body that has IBIS and was also really small cor use in my lifhtcweight kit. I can't ignore the advantages and fun the X-T5 is when the likely price of X-T50 bundled with the new kit lens will get really close to the X-H2.
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Why are you comparing the price of a body plus lens to some other body alone? I'm surprised that you didn't write "price of X-T50 bundled with new new kit lens is higher than the X-T5".
 
cafe snapper said:
Bill Ferris said:
michaeladawson said:
Bill Ferris said:
Fujifilm may soon release an X-T50. But that front view ain't it. At least, I hope to goodness it ain't.
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Are we talking about the same image? I'm afraid you may be sorely mistaken. I don't care for the admin over on FujiRumors, but he rarely gets this stuff wrong. He takes great care to make sure his track record is solid. I'd love for him to be wrong on this. But I doubt it.

Fujifilm-X-T50-2-720x515.jpg
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Now, I'm all aflutter with anticipation over what this Frankencamera will look like :)
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People complained about the grip on X-T30/20/10 being too small. Fuji makes it bigger - now people complain it's too ugly.

Fuji introduces a new dial - now there are about 20 different suggestions of what it 'should' be instead.

I'm pretty sure even if Fuji had a line up of 100 different camera models, many people would still complain there isn't one to their liking...
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Everyone is different and it's impossible to satisfy all of us in 100%, but it's very annoying when something you liked in previous model is replaced by something you don't need at all. I used front command dial for ISO adjustment on X-T3 for years and when it turned out that's not possible in X-H2s I was angry (fortunately it was fixed in one of FW updates few long months after release). Lack of UI consistency is very annoying for those who trained muscle memory for years (non-clickable dials is a big dissapointment that can't be fixed via firmware)

I think the best they can do is make unmarked configurable dials. And i think ALL X-T/S models should have Joystick + D-Pad, removing one or another is just stupid and not user friendly. IMHO body design gets worse with each new model since X-T4.

I did choose Fuji X system a invested a lot in it because it gave me a lot of joy with using my cameras (X-T20 / X-T3) if this changes, they won't see my money again. One of the real priorities should be fixing all AF-C/tracking problems instead of continuous experiment with UI which was great but gets worse and worse. I've seen a lot of similar opinions, so I'm not alone - it looks X-T5 is the only model designed to satisfy the old customers, while the rest (S and H2) are aimed at new customer coming from other systems.

Cheers,

Artur
 
Artur Darulewski said:
Everyone is different and it's impossible to satisfy all of us in 100%, but it's very annoying when something you liked in previous model is replaced by something you don't need at all. I used front command dial for ISO adjustment on X-T3 for years and when it turned out that's not possible in X-H2s I was angry (fortunately it was fixed in one of FW updates few long months after release). Lack of UI consistency is very annoying for those who trained muscle memory for years (non-clickable dials is a big dissapointment that can't be fixed via firmware)

I think the best they can do is make unmarked configurable dials. And i think ALL X-T/S models should have Joystick + D-Pad, removing one or another is just stupid and not user friendly. IMHO body design gets worse with each new model since X-T4.

I did choose Fuji X system a invested a lot in it because it gave me a lot of joy with using my cameras (X-T20 / X-T3) if this changes, they won't see my money again. One of the real priorities should be fixing all AF-C/tracking problems instead of continuous experiment with UI which was great but gets worse and worse. I've seen a lot of similar opinions, so I'm not alone - it looks X-T5 is the only model designed to satisfy the old customers, while the rest (S and H2) are aimed at new customer coming from other systems.

Cheers,

Artur
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The external controls of the X-Tx series was a huge draw for me. I am very happy with my X-T3 and only wanted to add a smaller and lighter companion camera. Fuji got it right with the X-T20 and your comment above sums up my feelings about the the joystick replacing the directional pad.

I was looking forward to Fuji's 2024 camera announcements, expecting that I would be purchasing one of the 2024 cameras. I had a slim hope that the expected X-E5 would reverse the minimalism of the X-E4 enough to attract my interest. In the event that the X-E5 continued the minimalist trend, I trusted that the X-T50 would be an excellent alternative choice. Based on the X-T50 rumors, I am disappointed and now think that it is unlikely that I will purchase a Fuji camera in 2024.

Jim
 
Artur Darulewski said:
cafe snapper said:
Bill Ferris said:
michaeladawson said:
Bill Ferris said:
Fujifilm may soon release an X-T50. But that front view ain't it. At least, I hope to goodness it ain't.
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Are we talking about the same image? I'm afraid you may be sorely mistaken. I don't care for the admin over on FujiRumors, but he rarely gets this stuff wrong. He takes great care to make sure his track record is solid. I'd love for him to be wrong on this. But I doubt it.

Fujifilm-X-T50-2-720x515.jpg
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Now, I'm all aflutter with anticipation over what this Frankencamera will look like :)
Click to expand...
People complained about the grip on X-T30/20/10 being too small. Fuji makes it bigger - now people complain it's too ugly.

Fuji introduces a new dial - now there are about 20 different suggestions of what it 'should' be instead.

I'm pretty sure even if Fuji had a line up of 100 different camera models, many people would still complain there isn't one to their liking...
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Everyone is different and it's impossible to satisfy all of us in 100%, but it's very annoying when something you liked in previous model is replaced by something you don't need at all. I used front command dial for ISO adjustment on X-T3 for years and when it turned out that's not possible in X-H2s I was angry (fortunately it was fixed in one of FW updates few long months after release). Lack of UI consistency is very annoying for those who trained muscle memory for years (non-clickable dials is a big dissapointment that can't be fixed via firmware)

I think the best they can do is make unmarked configurable dials. And i think ALL X-T/S models should have Joystick + D-Pad, removing one or another is just stupid and not user friendly. IMHO body design gets worse with each new model since X-T4.

I did choose Fuji X system a invested a lot in it because it gave me a lot of joy with using my cameras (X-T20 / X-T3) if this changes, they won't see my money again. One of the real priorities should be fixing all AF-C/tracking problems instead of continuous experiment with UI which was great but gets worse and worse. I've seen a lot of similar opinions, so I'm not alone - it looks X-T5 is the only model designed to satisfy the old customers, while the rest (S and H2) are aimed at new customer coming from other systems.

Cheers,

Artur
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Then they would not see my money again. I bought my X-T cameras because of the controls and if I wanted unmarked dials, other cameras have that, as you pointed out, and I'd buy one of those instead.

I think all X-T cameras are designed for customers who want something different. That was my motivation for switching from Nikon.
 
jerclarke said:
biza43 said:
jerclarke said:
Deeply horrible change IMO. Huge disadvantage to serious photographers, both because film sims are useless if you shoot RAW,
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Many Fuji users shoot JPEG to benefit from the Fuji film simulations, which have a good reputation and are a strong selling point.
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Of course. Many Fuji users also "benefit" from CL/CH/Movie modes, which have a "good reputation" as being a basic and necessary part of any camera.
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The XT50 seems to be targeted to people that value more film sims than drive modes. You will still be able to change drive mode.
jerclarke said:
Pointing out that film sims are popular is stating the obvious. The question is which should have an entire labeled metal dial dedicated to it, and which should be up to the user to attach to configurable buttons.
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Well, the dial just makes even more obvious for the intended user base. It is called market segmentation. Fuji have stated before that they are very attentive to current younger generation habits; who typically shoot film sims and effects on their phones. This dial brings one of the strongest Fuji marketing aspects more to the front, more visible and easier for the intended user.
jerclarke said:
jerclarke said:
jerclarke said:
and because having quick, convenient and reliable access to the drive modes is very important if you are shooting action/wildlife.
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Sure, but for that there are other options.
jerclarke said:
jerclarke said:
I doubt it that serious photographers for wildlife and action would use the XTxx series...
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This honestly feels like you're trolling us.

Do you really think no one is shooting wildlife with X-T cameras?
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Read again what I wrote: XTxx cameras. Like in XT30, not XT5.
jerclarke said:
The X-H and X-S lines didn't even exist when they released the 100-400mm lens, who do you think it was for? Or do you think that lens is for casual shooters?
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Read again...
jerclarke said:
When I am being sold a $1500 camera with 15 fps RAW and 6.2k video I expect those features to be integrated into the design of the camera.
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And the are, the XT50 does not lack a way to change drive mode.
jerclarke said:
The X-H2, X-T5, and X-T50 will have essentially the same AF system, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to shoot wildlife with the X-T50 unless it's because Fuji is intentionally nerfing them into "beginner" cameras rather than "enthusiast" ones.
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Nothing prevents you to shoot wildlife on the XT50. Just assign drive mode to a function button.
jerclarke said:
I buy one good camera at a time and use it for everything (portraits, street, wildlife, macro). I want it to have labeled dials, and to be lightweight, so the X-Txx series is the obvious choice.

Fuji should make the X-T50 as much of a power-user camera as they can, and this new dial feels like the opposite of that.
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If they have made this change, it was based on market research. They must know that not many use XTxx cameras for serious action and wildlife.
 
Erik Baumgartner said:
Hate it.

As a RAW shooter, not only do I never change film sims but, if I did, I'd still much rather press a single button to scroll through a list of customized recipe presets anyway, not waste a dial that already had a useful purpose to what? Scroll through some of the basic sims?

This, of course, means those Drive Dial settings will now have to be assigned to a (likely non-existent) new customizable button.

Beyond stupid. And now they haven't completely ruined just the X-E cameras, but now the X-Txx cameras too.

I haven't even seen what they've done (or haven't done) with the rear panel yet, but I'm already pretty sure that I wouldn't trade my old X-T20 for this thing.

Disappointed, again.
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Well, another reason to hang on to the old X-T2. I have two of them and both have some problems but are still quite functional.

Every time I use my Z7ii and have to dive into menu to get to either the Bracketing feature or the Focus Shift feature, I picture the Drive Dial on top of the X-T2...

jacob
 
The way I see it, if I can assign the drive mode to either the rear or front command dial on the right side, I’d rather have it there for quick access than to have to turn that knob with my left hand. The film sims assigned there is fine by me for occasional access as I wouldn’t mind shooting jpeg under certain conditions and not have to edit afterwards.
The basic and I guess most used sims are there, and hopefully the three variable spots can be assigned to custom jpeg settings.
 
Bill Ferris said:
michaeladawson said:
Bill Ferris said:
Fujifilm may soon release an X-T50. But that front view ain't it. At least, I hope to goodness it ain't.
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Are we talking about the same image? I'm afraid you may be sorely mistaken. I don't care for the admin over on FujiRumors, but he rarely gets this stuff wrong. He takes great care to make sure his track record is solid. I'd love for him to be wrong on this. But I doubt it.

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Now, I'm all aflutter with anticipation over what this Frankencamera will look like :)
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I can explain this design choice as the result of a clash between two or several parties:

One wanting a beefier grip compared to previous X-T** models, but not as protruded as on X-S** ones, another wanting a more traditional look. So they cut the apple in half, literally.
The upper part of the grip is sliced so that the shutter button remains recessed to the back, but there’s still space for finger grip elsewhere from top to bottom.

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Nothing to read here.
 
michaeladawson said:
MarcosV said:
Unfortunately at a price that high, I am ompelled to re-evaluate buying a X-T50 as my secondary camera body that has IBIS and was also really small cor use in my lifhtcweight kit. I can't ignore the advantages and fun the X-T5 is when the likely price of X-T50 bundled with the new kit lens will get really close to the X-H2.
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Why are you comparing the price of a body plus lens to some other body alone? I'm surprised that you didn't write "price of X-T50 bundled with new new kit lens is higher than the X-T5".
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I made this comparison based on the gear I currently own and what I am looking for.

I already have a Fuji 18-55, 16-55/2.8, and Sigma 18-50/2.8. In terms of camera bodies, I am looking at a secondary camera to my X-H2 to be used as a second camera for dual camera setup or when I want to go with something smaller or a little lighter.

Before knowing the rumored prices, I thought the X-T50 price difference to X-T* series would be similar to what it was back when I bought the X-T30 --- big enough price difference to be worth the trade-offs of not buying the X-T5: the smallest/lightest Fujifilm body and live with the lack of WR (WR is important to me since I had the unpleasant experience of having a camera body die in very light rain), and controls that makes changing options more time consuming having to use the Q menu or rear-display to access those options that were one-button on the X-T5 or X-H2.

I would get the X-T50 with the new kit lens because I'm thinking the new kit lens would probably have better image quality to compliment the 40 MP sensor resolution than the old kit lens. Kit lens pricing is only worth it when you get the discount of buying it in a camera/lens bundle. That would get me a small standard zoom option with WR vs. the Sigma 18-50/2.8 that doesn't have WR.

The rumored bundled price of the X-T50 with new kit lens is so high, I'm now thinking of getting the X-T5 body only instead. The X-T5 would be the camera I wish the X-T4 turned out to be --- I really miss the tilt-out screen with a set of physical controls closer to the X-T3. Aside from higher price, the X-T5 would have the downside of being bigger/heavier than the X-T50. I would live with the Sigma 18-55/2.8 as my small standard zoom; the Sigma doesn't have WR and doesn't go as wide as 16mm.

Between now and May 16 when the X-T50 is announced, I need to dig out my old X-T30 and X-T4 and see if I can live with the larger size and weight of the X-T* series as my smaller/lighter camera body setup.
 
Erik Baumgartner said:
Hate it.

As a RAW shooter, not only do I never change film sims but, if I did, I'd still much rather press a single button to scroll through a list of customized recipe presets anyway, not waste a dial that already had a useful purpose to what? Scroll through some of the basic sims?

This, of course, means those Drive Dial settings will now have to be assigned to a (likely non-existent) new customizable button.

Beyond stupid. And now they haven't completely ruined just the X-E cameras, but now the X-Txx cameras too.

I haven't even seen what they've done (or haven't done) with the rear panel yet, but I'm already pretty sure that I wouldn't trade my old X-T20 for this thing.

Disappointed, again.
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I won't disagree with the overall thoughts expressed. I'm also a RAW shooter (although as of the X-T5 compared to the T2/20 gen the OOC JPEG gap has narrowed considerably), and the dumbing down of operations is insulting.

That said, I do change the sims quite often - more so than in the past because the new gen sims have improved by leaps and bounds, as well. Great choices to get distinctive looks. I like to see an approximation of what I'm likely to process. Sure it was fun in film days to not know what you're going to get... the anticipation of how film/print processing will come out. And if I really wanted that experience again, wouldn't ever chimp, etc.

If the drive dial is dedicated to film sims, that truly would be a shame - and possibly enough to be a disqualifier. We don't know about actual improvements in the body elsewhere and other factors. If the dial is labelled but customizable - the decision is somewhat dumb, but I'd classify it as an un-classy nuisance. Much like those who refuse to use a very good lens that happens to be without an aperture ring (and yet are fine with the truly useless unmarked dial they put on variable aperture zooms), if you have two body dials to control SS and aperture you're really complaining only about aesthetics and not functionality of the tool. Few sympathies from me on that stance.
 
Swerky said:
The way I see it, if I can assign the drive mode to either the rear or front command dial on the right side, I’d rather have it there for quick access than to have to turn that knob with my left hand. The film sims assigned there is fine by me for occasional access as I wouldn’t mind shooting jpeg under certain conditions and not have to edit afterwards.
The basic and I guess most used sims are there, and hopefully the three variable spots can be assigned to custom jpeg settings.
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Those dials already have more than enough functions.

Front dial changes the following (function is changed by clicking the dial):
  • ISO
  • aperture (on lenses with no aperture ring)
  • exposure compensation (when the exposure compensation dial is set to C)
Rear dial fine tunes shutter speed when that parameter is set manually. Clicking the dial magnifies your view in manual focus.

I certainly hope no further functions are added to those two dials.
 
io_bg said:
Swerky said:
The way I see it, if I can assign the drive mode to either the rear or front command dial on the right side, I’d rather have it there for quick access than to have to turn that knob with my left hand. The film sims assigned there is fine by me for occasional access as I wouldn’t mind shooting jpeg under certain conditions and not have to edit afterwards.
The basic and I guess most used sims are there, and hopefully the three variable spots can be assigned to custom jpeg settings.
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Those dials already have more than enough functions.

Front dial changes the following (function is changed by clicking the dial):
  • ISO
  • aperture (on lenses with no aperture ring)
  • exposure compensation (when the exposure compensation dial is set to C)
Rear dial fine tunes shutter speed when that parameter is set manually. Clicking the dial magnifies your view in manual focus.

I certainly hope no further functions are added to those two dials.
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Valid argument. But it also depends on how one shoots and sets the camera up.
 
Swerky said:
io_bg said:
Swerky said:
The way I see it, if I can assign the drive mode to either the rear or front command dial on the right side, I’d rather have it there for quick access than to have to turn that knob with my left hand. The film sims assigned there is fine by me for occasional access as I wouldn’t mind shooting jpeg under certain conditions and not have to edit afterwards.
The basic and I guess most used sims are there, and hopefully the three variable spots can be assigned to custom jpeg settings.
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Those dials already have more than enough functions.

Front dial changes the following (function is changed by clicking the dial):
  • ISO
  • aperture (on lenses with no aperture ring)
  • exposure compensation (when the exposure compensation dial is set to C)
Rear dial fine tunes shutter speed when that parameter is set manually. Clicking the dial magnifies your view in manual focus.

I certainly hope no further functions are added to those two dials.
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Valid argument. But it also depends on how one shoots and sets the camera up.
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Well, isn’t that kinda the point? I’ve been shooting with both the X-T2 and X-T20 for many years using a very specific (and very similar) setup that works very well for me. That setup is based on the “classic” Fuji user interface common to both X-Tx and X-Txx cameras.

I have no problem with Fuji experimenting with different camera lines like the X-H and and X-S models, but what happens when when they go and significantly rejigger the classic camera interface? Well, now you’ve go a bunch of cameras that used to work in harmony with each other, but that now require fundamentally different setups and a mental rejiggering every time you pick up a different model. It’s beyond annoying and off-putting for long time loyal users and leaves little reason to stay with Fuji when their older models finally wear out. I want new cameras to replace my old ones that retain some familiarity, not a completely different interface (there are newfangled X-H and X-S cameras if I wanted to do that). I have no issue with the X-T5 - it is indeed a return to a natural progression from the X-T2 (and a big success and top seller, I might add), but the newer X-E, and X-Txx cameras are a total screwup, IMO. I was looking to maybe go with an X-T5/50 combo, but might just jump ship and go somewhere else when my Fujis finally wear out.
 
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Gimmicky, expensive: hard pass.
 
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