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unhappymeal said:
Markusweld said:
unhappymeal said:
zurag said:
unhappymeal said:
But I don't see Pany or Oly putting much effort into making feature-rich small cameras in the future. The market is now too small due to smartphones for a start, and those who will buy a small MFT camera want it packed with features which makes if difficult to produce at a reasonable price.
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Yea pretty much as agree with all that except I personally would pay up for a feature rich small camera but wouldn't pay up for a feature rich big camera . But then I am a rarer bird, even the birders here haven't able to catch a photograph of me with their famous OM1 and 150-400mm lens
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Yes, I have gone on record stating that I would pay up to € 2k for a feature-rich, compact body. This isn't just idle talk. I had the a7C (twice), but I just couldn't get along with the way Sony does things. I put my money where my mouth is and backed Pixii with a 64-bit 128 GB model. There are people who are willing to pay for small and premium.
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Yeah, just not enough of them to be profitable, especially when fighting with Sony over the remaining scraps
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Then sadly for Panasonic and Olympus, they will likely continue to haemorrhage customers. People aren't stupid. What you are frequently seeing is people look at the relative merits of the m4/3 cameras and conclude if they are going to carry that mass, they would rather have a larger shooting envelope (and possibly better AF).
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This last sentence, right here, all of it.

This is why I think small pro has a place, but bigger pro doesn't. Unless that long telephoto nature/outdoor/birding/adventure niche market is really that big, and even then, there's some moves in that direction from competitors. Like that Nikon Z system new telephoto that is not as big as they used to be.

Some people seem to confuse saying this with one saying one doesn't like the system- the contrary. But currently the system doesn't seem to be realizing its potential.
 
inlawbiker said:
Tom Caldwell said:
inlawbiker said:
I had my hopes up for a small body with great autofocus but alas. At this point an upgraded G95 with PDAF is all I’m hoping for. A G200 or Gx100 would do. Anything but a big body, Panasonic, if you could be so kind.
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For all the ranting about the G100 as small and potentially pdaf-able I am not sure that the wooly customer base of Panasonic camera bodies is quite ready to pay G9II prices for a G100-size camera body - even with pdaf, IBIS and the 25mp sensor.
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To be honest I'm not sure why we'd have to. Price aside, almost every brand has a flagship camera (like the G9 II) then midrange bodies with excellent autofocus. I would expect Panasonic to put PDAF into all of their bodies going forward no matter how big or small they are.
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I would agree with you there. But whether the G100 would survive at its keen pricing might be another thing.

I feel that I am about done with buying camera bodies - it has been quite a while since my gear has been capable of doing what I ask of it. But I would be in the market for a G100 update with PDAF, IBIS & the 25mp sensor.
inlawbiker said:
The question is, will we see any more bodies that are not G9-style or GH cameras? The G9 II is kind of a hard sell for me still just due to the size. I don't have a problem with the price.

G.
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Price is not a lot of an issue with me either but if I am going to buy more than one camera body of a type then price becomes very important.
 
Well maybe hanging out to get the very best CDAF in the business then adding PDAF to it might turn out to be as smart or unsmart as hanging out on in-lens IS then late adopting IBIS to give dual stabilisation?
 
Tom Caldwell said:
Well maybe hanging out to get the very best CDAF in the business then adding PDAF to it might turn out to be as smart or unsmart as hanging out on in-lens IS then late adopting IBIS to give dual stabilisation?
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I could see that point, except that I think at this point, PDAF "won as a requirement" and the CDAF expertise has been long acquired by Panasonic, particularly with their DFD.

My main concern is how the smaller cameras keep getting a bit of a "hand me down tech." I know you can't pack every single feature of a bigger body into that small but surely more can be packed than what's being done.

Still, I want to check out the new EVF and see if it addresses my concern about this model. There's several things I like about the G100 as is.
 
RealRaist3d said:
unhappymeal said:
Then sadly for Panasonic and Olympus, they will likely continue to haemorrhage customers. People aren't stupid. What you are frequently seeing is people look at the relative merits of the m4/3 cameras and conclude if they are going to carry that mass, they would rather have a larger shooting envelope (and possibly better AF).
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This last sentence, right here, all of it.

This is why I think small pro has a place, but bigger pro doesn't. Unless that long telephoto nature/outdoor/birding/adventure niche market is really that big, and even then, there's some moves in that direction from competitors. Like that Nikon Z system new telephoto that is not as big as they used to be.

Some people seem to confuse saying this with one saying one doesn't like the system- the contrary. But currently the system doesn't seem to be realizing its potential.
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Yes, OM System is playing a dangerous game if they insist on hanging their hat on wildlife. The Nikkor Z 400mm f/4.5 is lighter, brighter and cheaper (at least at list price) than the Panasonic-Leica 200mm f/2.8. The Olympus 300mm f/4 Pro is pretty sensible at 3k list vs. the Nikkor Z 600mm f/6.3 price of 5.8k, but it's also a stop brighter, so it's not apples-to-apples.

I fully appreciate that by all accounts, the 150-400 f/4.5 is without peer right now, but I suspect that lens is not selling in the volumes required to sustain the company.
 
I'm OK staying with the original. I shoot stills and this camera is a good stills shooter. I don't feel the need to 'upgrade'. I know that's a personal thing.
 
Utter waste of resources on an updated EVF (which it didn`t need) and USB_C which I`m sure few here at least will care about ..

IMO they`d have done better to leave those alone and instead put in the Full shutter and IBIS unit from the GX9 and deleted the multi-mic system and made it a proper G100 (badged as a II) and leave "Vlogging" cams to those who know how to do it properly ..

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Adam-T said:
Utter waste of resources on an updated EVF (which it didn`t need) and USB_C which I`m sure few here at least will care about ..

IMO they`d have done better to leave those alone and instead put in the Full shutter and IBIS unit from the GX9 and deleted the multi-mic system and made it a proper G100 (badged as a II) and leave "Vlogging" cams to those who know how to do it properly ..
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Adam-T said:
Utter waste of resources on an updated EVF (which it didn`t need) and USB_C which I`m sure few here at least will care about ..

IMO they`d have done better to leave those alone and instead put in the Full shutter and IBIS unit from the GX9 and deleted the multi-mic system and made it a proper G100 (badged as a II) and leave "Vlogging" cams to those who know how to do it properly ..
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Perhaps there's no one making the original EVF any more?

As for the connector, they (and others) apparently have little choice but to change...

"Following Parliament’s approval, EU consumers will soon be able to use a single charging solution for their electronic devices.

By the end of 2024, all mobile phones, tablets and cameras sold in the EU will have to be equipped with a USB Type-C charging port. From spring 2026, the obligation will extend to laptops. The new law, adopted by plenary on Tuesday with 602 votes in favour, 13 against and 8 abstentions, is part of a broader EU effort to reduce e-waste and to empower consumers to make more sustainable choices."

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www.europarl.europa.eu

Peter
 
Isola Verde said:
Adam-T said:
Utter waste of resources on an updated EVF (which it didn`t need) and USB_C which I`m sure few here at least will care about ..

IMO they`d have done better to leave those alone and instead put in the Full shutter and IBIS unit from the GX9 and deleted the multi-mic system and made it a proper G100 (badged as a II) and leave "Vlogging" cams to those who know how to do it properly ..
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Perhaps there's no one making the original EVF any more?

As for the connector, they (and others) apparently have little choice but to change...
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I would have thought that would have given them an excuse to kill it off, let’s face it , it would appear to have hardly been a top seller for Panasonic and they’ve been cutting down on their M43 range ..
 
Adam-T said:
Isola Verde said:
Adam-T said:
Utter waste of resources on an updated EVF (which it didn`t need) and USB_C which I`m sure few here at least will care about ..

IMO they`d have done better to leave those alone and instead put in the Full shutter and IBIS unit from the GX9 and deleted the multi-mic system and made it a proper G100 (badged as a II) and leave "Vlogging" cams to those who know how to do it properly ..
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Perhaps there's no one making the original EVF any more?

As for the connector, they (and others) apparently have little choice but to change...
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I would have thought that would have given them an excuse to kill it off, let’s face it , it would appear to have hardly been a top seller for Panasonic and they’ve been cutting down on their M43 range ..
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Funnily enough, I'd spent so long looking at the G100 and not quite buying it that instead I went out recently and bought myself the original Canon G5 X... a nice little 1" camera, with a built-in 24/100 zoom, that's a close match in size and weight.

Peter
 
Adam-T said:
Isola Verde said:
Adam-T said:
Utter waste of resources on an updated EVF (which it didn`t need) and USB_C which I`m sure few here at least will care about ..

IMO they`d have done better to leave those alone and instead put in the Full shutter and IBIS unit from the GX9 and deleted the multi-mic system and made it a proper G100 (badged as a II) and leave "Vlogging" cams to those who know how to do it properly ..
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Perhaps there's no one making the original EVF any more?

As for the connector, they (and others) apparently have little choice but to change...
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I would have thought that would have given them an excuse to kill it off, let’s face it , it would appear to have hardly been a top seller for Panasonic and they’ve been cutting down on their M43 range ..
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FYI…..On the ‘Ask me anything’ YouTube session, December 7th, Sean addressed the G100, starting at 59:51

 
Isola Verde said:
Adam-T said:
Isola Verde said:
Adam-T said:
Utter waste of resources on an updated EVF (which it didn`t need) and USB_C which I`m sure few here at least will care about ..

IMO they`d have done better to leave those alone and instead put in the Full shutter and IBIS unit from the GX9 and deleted the multi-mic system and made it a proper G100 (badged as a II) and leave "Vlogging" cams to those who know how to do it properly ..
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Perhaps there's no one making the original EVF any more?

As for the connector, they (and others) apparently have little choice but to change...
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I would have thought that would have given them an excuse to kill it off, let’s face it , it would appear to have hardly been a top seller for Panasonic and they’ve been cutting down on their M43 range ..
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Funnily enough, I'd spent so long looking at the G100 and not quite buying it that instead I went out recently and bought myself the original Canon G5 X... a nice little 1" camera, with a built-in 24/100 zoom, that's a close match in size and weight.

Peter
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An RX100Va, if you can get over the fiddliness of it and are fine with the focal range, delivers as good or better image quality as most m4/3 body and zoom combinations. For some reason, people in this forum consider the m4/3 sensor size "good enough" but dismiss 1" sensors outright.
 
Markusweld said:
I think that tells you everything about the little G100. If it doesn't sell, Panasonic cuts it. Obviously, despite what the experts from DPreview think, is selling enough to be profitable, and continue with. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's rubbish.
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Neither said I didn`t like it , nor that it was rubbish, simply that removing the "Vlog" aspects (the Mic system) as the review here proved, it far from excells at and putting in more "G" stuff which will benefit the stills aspect (proper shutter and IBIS) would have made a better update than what they have done .

A G100 MK2 with IBIS and a proper shutter probably would sell well as it`s a nicer alternative to the GX9 and a smaller alternative to the G90
 
Adam-T said:
A G100 MK2 with IBIS and a proper shutter probably would sell well as it`s a nicer alternative to the GX9 and a smaller alternative to the G90
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Evidently its predecessor sold well and didn't need to be reengineered just a couple of minor tweaks and all is good to go and it doesn't need to be sold as a alternative to another camera

Panasonic seems to be doing quite nicely without your meddling in what it should do

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unhappymeal said:
Isola Verde said:
Adam-T said:
Isola Verde said:
Adam-T said:
Utter waste of resources on an updated EVF (which it didn`t need) and USB_C which I`m sure few here at least will care about ..

IMO they`d have done better to leave those alone and instead put in the Full shutter and IBIS unit from the GX9 and deleted the multi-mic system and made it a proper G100 (badged as a II) and leave "Vlogging" cams to those who know how to do it properly ..
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Perhaps there's no one making the original EVF any more?

As for the connector, they (and others) apparently have little choice but to change...
Click to expand...
I would have thought that would have given them an excuse to kill it off, let’s face it , it would appear to have hardly been a top seller for Panasonic and they’ve been cutting down on their M43 range ..
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Funnily enough, I'd spent so long looking at the G100 and not quite buying it that instead I went out recently and bought myself the original Canon G5 X... a nice little 1" camera, with a built-in 24/100 zoom, that's a close match in size and weight.

Peter
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An RX100Va, if you can get over the fiddliness of it and are fine with the focal range, delivers as good or better image quality as most m4/3 body and zoom combinations. For some reason, people in this forum consider the m4/3 sensor size "good enough" but dismiss 1" sensors outright.
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Most? Maybe the odd cheap consumer zoom. Pop a nice, preferably fast prime lens on the G100 and it really sings. Plus it uses all your existing m4/3 lenses, raw processing is the same, all nice little sweetners
 
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Adam-T said:
Utter waste of resources on an updated EVF (which it didn`t need) and USB_C which I`m sure few here at least will care about ..

IMO they`d have done better to leave those alone and instead put in the Full shutter and IBIS unit from the GX9 and deleted the multi-mic system and made it a proper G100 (badged as a II) and leave "Vlogging" cams to those who know how to do it properly ..
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Hooray for innovation but there might be other factors at foot.

I am not a technical expert here but will put forward my theory as best that I know/imagine it.

As far as I know the GM series had a special tiny shutter unit designed for it. Panasonic was said to pass on the fact that their engineers were proud of the achievement to get a mechanical shutter made that small. It is a sealed unit as far as I know and probably a drop-in construction.

Ever since that poor shutter has been subject to sometimes vicious attacks of what it lacks in capability. The same shutter unit was carried forward into the GF7-GX850 series and now seems to be used in the G100. Presumably the GX9 shutter module is larger (probably much more expensive) and might need more work to slot in. I am not the engineer in charge but I think that I am on safe ground that if the GX9 shutter module would be an easy solution the engineers would be rather silly not to use that as a solution. There also might be a cost issue with the compact GM shutter module at a fraction of the price of the GX9 module.

They might also be following a similar 'entry level' camera body trajectory that they used for the GF7-GX850 series. At regular end of run periods introduce some makeover changes and make another batch. Not using a radical cut and shut that would constitute a new (rival) body to some other product planned or existing. Instead offering something that could be swapped in line with hardy a noticeable hitch in production.

I don't know but I doubt if Panasonic production is run by those that are incapable of thinking straight. They might not always do their marketing well but that is another story.

Enough in that the G100 is a cheap capable simple entry level camera that is obviously profitable enough to continue to be made. Turning it into a state of the art small camera body would likely push the price up and risk a lower level of sales. Leaving it a dead end product to add to the list.
 
Mark P Thornton said:
True, but they still have to replace the USB connector with USB-C by December 2024 if they want to keep selling it in the EU.
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No, they do not. This is blatant nonsense. All existing products and anything released before the end of 2024 can continue as they are. Only products released after the end of 2024 must have USB-C.
 
unhappymeal said:
Isola Verde said:
Adam-T said:
Isola Verde said:
Adam-T said:
Utter waste of resources on an updated EVF (which it didn`t need) and USB_C which I`m sure few here at least will care about ..

IMO they`d have done better to leave those alone and instead put in the Full shutter and IBIS unit from the GX9 and deleted the multi-mic system and made it a proper G100 (badged as a II) and leave "Vlogging" cams to those who know how to do it properly ..
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Perhaps there's no one making the original EVF any more?

As for the connector, they (and others) apparently have little choice but to change...
Click to expand...
I would have thought that would have given them an excuse to kill it off, let’s face it , it would appear to have hardly been a top seller for Panasonic and they’ve been cutting down on their M43 range ..
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Funnily enough, I'd spent so long looking at the G100 and not quite buying it that instead I went out recently and bought myself the original Canon G5 X... a nice little 1" camera, with a built-in 24/100 zoom, that's a close match in size and weight.

Peter
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An RX100Va, if you can get over the fiddliness of it and are fine with the focal range, delivers as good or better image quality as most m4/3 body and zoom combinations. For some reason, people in this forum consider the m4/3 sensor size "good enough" but dismiss 1" sensors outright.
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As someone who's been carrying a compact when taking nothing larger since the summer of 1981 (Vivitar 35EM back then), I've tried several of the 1" cameras.

Although more than happy with pictures from the RX100 IV, I find no pleasure at all in its use - nor the Mk II, which I really shouldn't bothered buying!

Didn't much like the handling of the LX10/15, and greatly regret the absence of a moveable screen on my TZ100 (and LX100 for that matter)... whereas that Canon has hit my sweet spot for size, weight and zoom range... sufficiently so that I'll put up with its swing-out rear monitor (only my third, after FZ200 and CP P7700), and with such optical comprises as were needed for its 24/100 capabilities.

Thus far at least, I'm seeing the G5 X as the nicest "third camera" I've had across those 40+ years.

Peter
 
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