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Thom Hogan said:
All Bushs Fault said:
Who is Sony targeting with raw files at 120 fps?
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Good question, as I noted. It isn't really me, though as I've written elsewhere I do like the ability to on-button-press override the set fps to the highest one. I can imagine times when I'd like to look at just a critical moment more closely.
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Can't you use recall function for that? I set my Z8 Fn button in one of my banks to recall to 20fps+3d (haven't tried 120).

- M
 
MichaelHK said:
Thom Hogan said:
All Bushs Fault said:
Who is Sony targeting with raw files at 120 fps?
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Good question, as I noted. It isn't really me, though as I've written elsewhere I do like the ability to on-button-press override the set fps to the highest one. I can imagine times when I'd like to look at just a critical moment more closely.
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Can't you use recall function for that? I set my Z8 Fn button in one of my banks to recall to 20fps+3d (haven't tried 120).
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Right, but you're limited to 20 fps ;~).
 
binmaa said:
FrancoD said:
binmaa said:
FrancoD said:
Doug J said:
According to some DPR members, Canon's photography business is usually in dire straits and will collapse in the short-term unless they immediately respond to [enter a recent competitive announcement]. This has been rather routine over the last 10-15 years as I recall.

Cheers,
Doug
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I was about to post something very much like that myself.

Canon has been N1 for over 20 years having about half of the total market during that period but consistently someone here has to predict its imminent demise because of having lost the plot or something like that.

So many experts, so little knowledge.

BTW, I don't use Canon.
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Only future can tell there have been many companies deemed to big to fail which have failed in the past.

But as it looks at the moment I do not think that any camera company is deemed to fail within the close future.

For everything else I need my crystal ball back from it's repair.
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I've heard that "no company is too big to fall" argument since the start of DPReview.

My point has always been that there is a tiny chance that the people at Canon have a bit more of a clue than some of those detractors here.

But of course is like listening to a Man United fan alking about Liverpool.

Having made a living selling cameras , most brands, I'm not like that. The brand that I am using is simply the one I opted for at the time it doesn't make it the best because I have it.
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But there are things like Nokia phones which just prove what I am saying.
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I think neither Nokia or Blackberry will ever rest in peace, though I'm pretty sure they are completely brain dead!!! They were not murdered by iPhone, they simply just chocked themselves to death!!!

John
 
MarshallG said:
binmaa said:
FrancoD said:
binmaa said:
FrancoD said:
Doug J said:
According to some DPR members, Canon's photography business is usually in dire straits and will collapse in the short-term unless they immediately respond to [enter a recent competitive announcement]. This has been rather routine over the last 10-15 years as I recall.

Cheers,
Doug
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I was about to post something very much like that myself.

Canon has been N1 for over 20 years having about half of the total market during that period but consistently someone here has to predict its imminent demise because of having lost the plot or something like that.

So many experts, so little knowledge.

BTW, I don't use Canon.
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Only future can tell there have been many companies deemed to big to fail which have failed in the past.

But as it looks at the moment I do not think that any camera company is deemed to fail within the close future.

For everything else I need my crystal ball back from it's repair.
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I've heard that "no company is too big to fall" argument since the start of DPReview.

My point has always been that there is a tiny chance that the people at Canon have a bit more of a clue than some of those detractors here.

But of course is like listening to a Man United fan alking about Liverpool.

Having made a living selling cameras , most brands, I'm not like that. The brand that I am using is simply the one I opted for at the time it doesn't make it the best because I have it.
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For me it is not arguing against Canon or any company. But there are things like Nokia phones which just prove what I am saying. No matter how big you are a series of bad decissions can still be your doom.

Having more knowledge about the market does not protect anyone from bad decissions. But the bigger you are the more bad decissions are needed to bring you down.

So it would probably take a lot for Canon to get pushed out of the camera business. But none of us can foresee that. So I personally would not care about such discussions. There is a possibility for every company to fail and for every company to survive no matter how big they are.
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Nokia had revenue of about $25 billion last year. They aren’t hurting.
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And their phones did not contribute even one cent!!!

John
 
FrancoD said:
binmaa said:
FrancoD said:
Doug J said:
According to some DPR members, Canon's photography business is usually in dire straits and will collapse in the short-term unless they immediately respond to [enter a recent competitive announcement]. This has been rather routine over the last 10-15 years as I recall.

Cheers,
Doug
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I was about to post something very much like that myself.

Canon has been N1 for over 20 years having about half of the total market during that period but consistently someone here has to predict its imminent demise because of having lost the plot or something like that.

So many experts, so little knowledge.

BTW, I don't use Canon.
Click to expand...
Only future can tell there have been many companies deemed to big to fail which have failed in the past.

But as it looks at the moment I do not think that any camera company is deemed to fail within the close future.

For everything else I need my crystal ball back from it's repair.
Click to expand...
I've heard that "no company is too big to fall" argument since the start of DPReview.

My point has always been that there is a tiny chance that the people at Canon have a bit more of a clue than some of those detractors here.

But of course is like listening to a Man United fan alking about Liverpool.

Having made a living selling cameras , most brands, I'm not like that. The brand that I am using is simply the one I opted for at the time it doesn't make it the best because I have it.
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yep, the same for the 99% of us. my canon and Lumix work, they are old and not the best.

so i need 'the best' because why?

i just need some pictures and i like used or refurbs.

blessings.
 
CaptainAmerica said:
Very unlikely Canon, Nikon or Sony will ever go out of business. All of them have product lines outside of the camera space.

Canon and Nikon, for example, both make equipment for semiconductor manufacturing.

That they may decide to quit the camera business if and when it no longer aligns with their corporate goals is another story.
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MarshallG said:
Sure, the Northrops replace entire $30,000 camera systems every two weeks and make YouTube videos proclaiming, “Why we dropped Canon forever!”… but normal people don’t do this.
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they throw the rest of us a bone at times. check out their shows on buying a used camera and see how they struggle with the old technology.

so maybe we all need 30k systems and get as good as them.

thanks.
MarshallG said:
Maybe the tier one credentialed pros will go to Sony’s station and borrow $30,000 of Sony gear at the next Olympics, but normal photographers don’t switch brands every time Manufacturer A has leapfrogged Manufacturer B.

I have had my set of f/2.8 Canon L zooms since 2018 and that’s it.
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yeah, but it's getting old.
MarshallG said:
For me, there is nothing a manufacturer can put in a camera body to convince me to sell them and buy all new. I have the adapter and I’m happy as a clam. It’s hard to make a living as a photographer these days and outside of YouTube people trying to be flashy and show off, it’s just silly and unnecessary to spend $10,000’s every year on equipment.
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madecov said:
CaptainAmerica said:
Very unlikely Canon, Nikon or Sony will ever go out of business. All of them have product lines outside of the camera space.

Canon and Nikon, for example, both make equipment for semiconductor manufacturing.

That they may decide to quit the camera business if and when it no longer aligns with their corporate goals is another story.
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A few months ago I had a CT scan done. I was shocked that the unit was a Canon. It probly cost more than all photo gear they sell in a month.
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Canon bought Toshiba medical a few years back.
madecov said:
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Police Officer (Retired)
No plan survives first contact with the enemy.
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"Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry."
Terry Pratchett
 
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JohnSil said:
MarshallG said:
binmaa said:
FrancoD said:
binmaa said:
FrancoD said:
Doug J said:
According to some DPR members, Canon's photography business is usually in dire straits and will collapse in the short-term unless they immediately respond to [enter a recent competitive announcement]. This has been rather routine over the last 10-15 years as I recall.

Cheers,
Doug
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I was about to post something very much like that myself.

Canon has been N1 for over 20 years having about half of the total market during that period but consistently someone here has to predict its imminent demise because of having lost the plot or something like that.

So many experts, so little knowledge.

BTW, I don't use Canon.
Click to expand...
Only future can tell there have been many companies deemed to big to fail which have failed in the past.

But as it looks at the moment I do not think that any camera company is deemed to fail within the close future.

For everything else I need my crystal ball back from it's repair.
Click to expand...
I've heard that "no company is too big to fall" argument since the start of DPReview.

My point has always been that there is a tiny chance that the people at Canon have a bit more of a clue than some of those detractors here.

But of course is like listening to a Man United fan alking about Liverpool.

Having made a living selling cameras , most brands, I'm not like that. The brand that I am using is simply the one I opted for at the time it doesn't make it the best because I have it.
Click to expand...
For me it is not arguing against Canon or any company. But there are things like Nokia phones which just prove what I am saying. No matter how big you are a series of bad decissions can still be your doom.

Having more knowledge about the market does not protect anyone from bad decissions. But the bigger you are the more bad decissions are needed to bring you down.

So it would probably take a lot for Canon to get pushed out of the camera business. But none of us can foresee that. So I personally would not care about such discussions. There is a possibility for every company to fail and for every company to survive no matter how big they are.
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Nokia had revenue of about $25 billion last year. They aren’t hurting.
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And their phones did not contribute even one cent!!!

John
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Why? Nokia sells phones, too.
 
MarshallG said:
JohnSil said:
MarshallG said:
Nokia had revenue of about $25 billion last year. They aren’t hurting.
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And their phones did not contribute even one cent!!!

John
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Why? Nokia sells phones, too.
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The company that sell Nokia phones is HMD, however they do give Nokia royalty payments for the right to use the brand and possibly some of the Nokia owned patents.

So Nokia does make some money from the sale of those phones.

BTW, no HMD is not Microsoft (the former after nokia owners) but is made up from mostly ex Nokia management.
 
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JohnSil said:
MarshallG said:
binmaa said:
FrancoD said:
binmaa said:
FrancoD said:
Doug J said:
According to some DPR members, Canon's photography business is usually in dire straits and will collapse in the short-term unless they immediately respond to [enter a recent competitive announcement]. This has been rather routine over the last 10-15 years as I recall.

Cheers,
Doug
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I was about to post something very much like that myself.

Canon has been N1 for over 20 years having about half of the total market during that period but consistently someone here has to predict its imminent demise because of having lost the plot or something like that.

So many experts, so little knowledge.

BTW, I don't use Canon.
Click to expand...
Only future can tell there have been many companies deemed to big to fail which have failed in the past.

But as it looks at the moment I do not think that any camera company is deemed to fail within the close future.

For everything else I need my crystal ball back from it's repair.
Click to expand...
I've heard that "no company is too big to fall" argument since the start of DPReview.

My point has always been that there is a tiny chance that the people at Canon have a bit more of a clue than some of those detractors here.

But of course is like listening to a Man United fan alking about Liverpool.

Having made a living selling cameras , most brands, I'm not like that. The brand that I am using is simply the one I opted for at the time it doesn't make it the best because I have it.
Click to expand...
For me it is not arguing against Canon or any company. But there are things like Nokia phones which just prove what I am saying. No matter how big you are a series of bad decissions can still be your doom.

Having more knowledge about the market does not protect anyone from bad decissions. But the bigger you are the more bad decissions are needed to bring you down.

So it would probably take a lot for Canon to get pushed out of the camera business. But none of us can foresee that. So I personally would not care about such discussions. There is a possibility for every company to fail and for every company to survive no matter how big they are.
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Nokia had revenue of about $25 billion last year. They aren’t hurting.
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And their phones did not contribute even one cent!!!
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Nokia sold their mobile phone & devices division to Microsoft in 2014.

Cheers,
Doug
 
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After learning about the global shutter Sony will put to market, shock and horror set in! So I took out my R5, shot some pix, and to my relief it still works! Just like it did on day one! WOW!

Kidding aside, I think it's great that Sony is advancing the tech, and it's only a matter of time until all high-end action cams have the feature. Just too many advantages to ignore. But not all of us need it.
 
dmanthree said:
After learning about the global shutter Sony will put to market, shock and horror set in! So I took out my R5, shot some pix, and to my relief it still works! Just like it did on day one! WOW!

Kidding aside, I think it's great that Sony is advancing the tech, and it's only a matter of time until all high-end action cams have the feature. Just too many advantages to ignore. But not all of us need it.
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Global shutter is superior, although it appears to be resolution limited and maybe there are other limits; I don’t know. But the Sony with global shutter will cost $6,000, so I think it’s probably 3 to 5 years until it’s available to us mere mortals in still cameras. So Kudos to Sony for being first but it doesn’t matter to most of us just yet.
 
CaptainAmerica said:
Very unlikely Canon, Nikon or Sony will ever go out of business. All of them have product lines outside of the camera space.
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Source: Canon Global Website
Source: Canon Global Website
 
Thom Hogan said:
All Bushs Fault said:
Who is Sony targeting with raw files at 120 fps?
Click to expand...
Good question, as I noted. It isn't really me, though as I've written elsewhere I do like the ability to on-button-press override the set fps to the highest one. I can imagine times when I'd like to look at just a critical moment more closely.
Thom Hogan said:
Seems like that is a by-product of the global shutter which is the real treat.
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120 Hz is a common theme within the current digital camera designs. So 120 fps aligns with what the BIONZ processor is already doing and the EVF updates, as well.

Having used a "rolling" shutter for 50 years (mechanical shutters "roll"), I'm still not seeing the clear benefit for still photography a global shutter gives me. On the other hand, it's really clear how that improves the video side.
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I agree and any of us that shoot any kind of action have always relied on a high fps to get a decisive moment but the question is, just how decisive does it need to be? I for one never use the ES in my R5. I think it's a little faster than my previous 1Dxll bodies but I'm not even sure, it's just not that important to me even shooting sports. Those of us that have shot for a long time have always learned to compensate for our cameras short comings in some other way, be it with timing or just plain familiarity with our genres. The one place I use the highest frame rates I have is shooting finish line shots and the faster something crosses a line the more advantageous to have a high fps. But it still comes down to composition! I'd much rather have a much more publishable shot in bicycle racing with 3 guys lined up, elbows out, pedal strokes lined up and eyes wide open and riveted straight ahead with all 3 in exactly the same pose but 2 feet from the line with everyone in a different boring position, looking straight down but exactly on the line. The line is not the goal, the SHOT is the goal!

I will say and I haven't seen mentioned in all these shutter discussions but Sony has always also been maybe even heavier into video and that fast fps might allow for, and even faster fps in video which would yield even better slow-mo which is a really big deal in action video. They are probably all by products of each other! The slow-mo might use it but still not so sure about the finish line guys? IF you're on a publishing deadline who wants to look through 6000 photos vs 800??

John
 
justmeMN said:
CaptainAmerica said:
Very unlikely Canon, Nikon or Sony will ever go out of business. All of them have product lines outside of the camera space.
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Source: Canon Global Website
Source: Canon Global Website
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In my office I use 2 canon copiers!

And the next time I get an mri I'll request a Canon machine or get up and go somewhere that has one!!! LoL

John
 
MarshallG said:
binmaa said:
FrancoD said:
binmaa said:
FrancoD said:
Doug J said:
According to some DPR members, Canon's photography business is usually in dire straits and will collapse in the short-term unless they immediately respond to [enter a recent competitive announcement]. This has been rather routine over the last 10-15 years as I recall.

Cheers,
Doug
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I was about to post something very much like that myself.

Canon has been N1 for over 20 years having about half of the total market during that period but consistently someone here has to predict its imminent demise because of having lost the plot or something like that.

So many experts, so little knowledge.

BTW, I don't use Canon.
Click to expand...
Only future can tell there have been many companies deemed to big to fail which have failed in the past.

But as it looks at the moment I do not think that any camera company is deemed to fail within the close future.

For everything else I need my crystal ball back from it's repair.
Click to expand...
I've heard that "no company is too big to fall" argument since the start of DPReview.

My point has always been that there is a tiny chance that the people at Canon have a bit more of a clue than some of those detractors here.

But of course is like listening to a Man United fan alking about Liverpool.

Having made a living selling cameras , most brands, I'm not like that. The brand that I am using is simply the one I opted for at the time it doesn't make it the best because I have it.
Click to expand...
For me it is not arguing against Canon or any company. But there are things like Nokia phones which just prove what I am saying. No matter how big you are a series of bad decissions can still be your doom.

Having more knowledge about the market does not protect anyone from bad decissions. But the bigger you are the more bad decissions are needed to bring you down.

So it would probably take a lot for Canon to get pushed out of the camera business. But none of us can foresee that. So I personally would not care about such discussions. There is a possibility for every company to fail and for every company to survive no matter how big they are.
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Nokia had revenue of about $25 billion last year. They aren’t hurting.
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They used to have twice as much and they used to sell phones. They completely lost their phone division as they missmanaged it. The current Nokia phones are sold by a chinese company which only bought the commercial rights for the names.

Obviously loosing one business won't kill a whole company. But a Canon not selling cameras wouldn't be of much interest for photographers even if you they still sell calculators.
 
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