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https://nikonrumors.com/2023/11/14/...a-to-be-announced-for-the-2024-olympics.aspx/

Obviously thus is just a rumor, and a new one at that. But I was curious about your thoughts. The key aspects of the rumor:

Here are some very early and unconfirmed rumors about a new Nikon Z high-speed camera model to be announced for the 2024 Olympics:
  • A high-speed version of the Z9 ( Z9H?): just as with the D1H and D1X, the new model will have half the amount of pixels of the Z9
  • It will be Nikon’s fastest FX-format camera (global shutter?)
  • The camera will also have a high-resolution mode
My thoughts actually involve the Z6iii (or whatever you call it); at 24mp Nikon could have a Z9h / Z6h (Z6iii) pair to go along with the existing Z9 / Z8 pair. Of course such a “Z6” would involve a price increase.
 
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I think that Nikon will introduce a sensor with a global shutter, it is in the obligation if it wants to continue in game.
 
fgonz000 said:
I think that Nikon will introduce a sensor with a global shutter, it is in the obligation if it wants to continue in game.
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Lol. They'll do just fine without one.
 
If they do, cool. Probably won't be global shutter, but maybe double frame rate of the 45mp z9 if they figured out how to make that work. It'll be cool to see, but not my thing.
 
I imagine someone will have a use for it. The speed of my Z9 is more than I actually need, so it’s not for me. The speed contest is still going, but I think the contest will shift to something else soon… perhaps a new global shutter race. Or perhaps Canon will introduce something new with the R1.
 
msu79gt82 said:
https://nikonrumors.com/2023/11/14/...a-to-be-announced-for-the-2024-olympics.aspx/

Obviously thus is just a rumor, and a new one at that. But I was curious about your thoughts. The key aspects of the rumor:

Here are some very early and unconfirmed rumors about a new Nikon Z high-speed camera model to be announced for the 2024 Olympics:
  • A high-speed version of the Z9 ( Z9H?): just as with the D1H and D1X, the new model will have half the amount of pixels of the Z9
  • It will be Nikon’s fastest FX-format camera (global shutter?)
  • The camera will also have a high-resolution mode
My thoughts actually involve the Z6iii (or whatever you call it); at 24mp Nikon could have a Z9h / Z6h (Z6iii) pair to go along with the existing Z9 / Z8 pair. Of course such a “Z6” would involve a price increase.
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High ISO for lowlight and/or high frame rates?

How fast is fastest?

If such a camera is indeed scheduled before Paris 2024, Nikon R&D will have begun its design before the release of the Z9.... If it's to be in the hands of Sports Pros for the Olympics, it will need to be announced in early 2024.

The benefits for sports are high speed video as much as taking over from the D6 for challenging lowlight action scenes.

Nikon's making much of its 8K RAW support, but 34mp is the minimum sensor resolution. So this suggests an interesting challenges for quality lowlight IQ and data processing....
 
I’m chasing image quality, not more output. It doesn’t fill a need for me. The likely downside goes against my goals.
 
Its possible Nikon will do a version of the sensor tech in the A9III I spose but it also seems like the "obvious" reaction as well so I wouldn't be surprised if this is a fake rumour.

I'm guessing this sensor tech is still awhile away from being good enough to be in the mainline pro bodies, more aimed at a specialist market which wants ultra high speed performance.
 
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msu79gt82 said:
https://nikonrumors.com/2023/11/14/...a-to-be-announced-for-the-2024-olympics.aspx/

Obviously thus is just a rumor, and a new one at that. But I was curious about your thoughts. The key aspects of the rumor:

Here are some very early and unconfirmed rumors about a new Nikon Z high-speed camera model to be announced for the 2024 Olympics:
  • A high-speed version of the Z9 ( Z9H?): just as with the D1H and D1X, the new model will have half the amount of pixels of the Z9
  • It will be Nikon’s fastest FX-format camera (global shutter?)
  • The camera will also have a high-resolution mode
My thoughts actually involve the Z6iii (or whatever you call it); at 24mp Nikon could have a Z9h / Z6h (Z6iii) pair to go along with the existing Z9 / Z8 pair. Of course such a “Z6” would involve a price increase.
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The question I ask myself is this: Do I want a high speed stacked DX sensor with high burst rate, much better noise performance and price range of 3000$ OR I want a global shutter with far worse noise, DR level, still high fps, also with much higher price tag of 5000-6000$?


I was also excited for global shutter, but thinking more, I can hardly put current fps and focus speed of Z9 into full use. I can hardly think of anything global shutter will give me. It would be good to avoid banding, but then I am paying this much money, accepting worse noise/dr for very specific use case only?!
 
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dgumshu said:
I imagine someone will have a use for it. The speed of my Z9 is more than I actually need, so it’s not for me. The speed contest is still going, but I think the contest will shift to something else soon… perhaps a new global shutter race. Or perhaps Canon will introduce something new with the R1.
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Therein lies the crux of the whole thing. It's going to be for someone, and chances are it's not going to be us. This thing is going to be there as a specialized tool for someone with a specific need to eliminate rolling shutter. Most of us don't have that kind of need. This thing doesn't have to be for us.
 
IMO this was probably just A9 rumour transplanted to Nikon. Also as soon as one brand announces something new rumours start sprouting for other brands.
 
ghostfox_1 said:
fgonz000 said:
I think that Nikon will introduce a sensor with a global shutter, it is in the obligation if it wants to continue in game.
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Lol. They'll do just fine without one.
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That’s the same attitude they had regarding their DSLR line when movement in the industry started shifting towards mirrorless. I even recall reading numerous quotes like yours, their DSLR cameras were so good they’ll do just fine without. That attitude led to lost market share and revenue. Hopefully they learned from that mistake.
 
archerscreek said:
ghostfox_1 said:
fgonz000 said:
I think that Nikon will introduce a sensor with a global shutter, it is in the obligation if it wants to continue in game.
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Lol. They'll do just fine without one.
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That’s the same attitude they had regarding their DSLR line when movement in the industry started shifting towards mirrorless. I even recall reading numerous quotes like yours, their DSLR cameras were so good they’ll do just fine without. That attitude led to lost market share and revenue. Hopefully they learned from that mistake.
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My quote is more directed towards the immediate future (and a hypothetical z9h or what have you). A higher fps body would be good, but you don't need a global shutter sensor for that.

As I said elsewhere, I think the z9ii could eventually have one, but chasing tech specs isn't something nikon needs to do, nor should it.

Not going to mirrorless sooner was a mistake, though the d850/d500/d5/d6 are still incredibly good bodies
 
My thought is that this is a very sketchy rumour, so I'm not going to invest very much in it at the moment.

My second thought is that if this is in any way tied to the Olympic timetable it will be targetting a pro body, end of. Almost everything trickles down, but it's not going to jump down to the Z6 series immediately.
 
msu79gt82 said:
https://nikonrumors.com/2023/11/14/...a-to-be-announced-for-the-2024-olympics.aspx/

Obviously thus is just a rumor, and a new one at that. But I was curious about your thoughts. The key aspects of the rumor:

Here are some very early and unconfirmed rumors about a new Nikon Z high-speed camera model to be announced for the 2024 Olympics:
  • A high-speed version of the Z9 ( Z9H?): just as with the D1H and D1X, the new model will have half the amount of pixels of the Z9
  • It will be Nikon’s fastest FX-format camera (global shutter?)
  • The camera will also have a high-resolution mode
My thoughts actually involve the Z6iii (or whatever you call it); at 24mp Nikon could have a Z9h / Z6h (Z6iii) pair to go along with the existing Z9 / Z8 pair. Of course such a “Z6” would involve a price increase.
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If it has half the pixels, then maybe it does have a global shutter, but Sony isn't exactly one to offer competitors their designs for at least a few years. Unless this is being made by someone else like TowerJazz or TSMC and not Sony.

Now it's possible they are doing something crazy like coupling dual Expeed 7's to achieve crazy burst rates like 60-70 fps RAW where each processor (in addition with a lower-res sensor) can take turns processing high burst rate RAW.

However, if the price tags goes over $6500 it may be a hard sell in today's market, especially for something that may be half the resolution of the Z9. But then again if it has a global shutter, that might change things, but if not, and it's only a boost in burst rate, it would be a hard sell I think for the average person (the Z9 was affordable for many people but $6500 may be too much -- then again, I have no idea what the price would be, I'm just guessing based on the A9 III and probably what the R1 will be).
 
Or any pro sports, I can’t see needing more shooting speed than the current Z9. And as is it has virtually no rolling shutter issues. I can see dropping to 24mp for faster transfer speeds to a server for distribution when shooting high frame rates and higher flash sync speeds for indoor stadium house strobe setups. Sounds like a prime candidate for the new Sony global shutter sensor to me.
 
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J2daV said:
I’m chasing image quality, not more output. It doesn’t fill a need for me. The likely downside goes against my goals.
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Same here. Sometimes I think my Z7ii is just a smidge better in IQ than my Z9, whose features are still more than enough for me. Nonetheless, it's great to see Nikon competing well in the market and continuing to produce new cameras. It wasn't that long ago that many of the same rumor mills were filled with "Nikon is dead" comments.
 
fgonz000 said:
I think that Nikon will introduce a sensor with a global shutter, it is in the obligation if it wants to continue in game.
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LOL. people just drink the marketing as if it before this sensor it was impossible to do sport photography. Some people were asking if the athletes foot would have been bent if it was not for the global shutter. It is as if all these decades athletes had bent foot!!!

Everything is pointing out to lower DR and low light, we already have shutter less cameras in the z8/z9 because the sensor are so fast. This will barely change the camera possibilities. The only difference would be the 120 fps shoot, but even this comes with caveat as it can only sustain it for 1 second and the buffer takes 15 to 40 second from what I saw.
 
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