With the Release, I just don't understand the hate some people have for fully articulating screen.

The common interpretation (certainly on this thread) is "2 way tilt" refers to "tilt up" and "tilt down". But I don't think there is an single official (or standard) definition for almost any of the terms for a rear screen other than "fixed". There are at least five different implementations I can think of for "fully articulating" as seen on the:

• Sony a7Rv
• Sony a99/a77/etc
• Pentax K1
• Nikon Z8
• Canon/Panasonic/etc

Each one has different advantages and disadvantages. My favorite is the a99/a77 type of articulation, but the a7Rv is pretty close. My best guess is the new Nikon implementation is pretty close as well but I have yet to see one in the wild so I am not 100% sure how it articulates.

A74Me said:

A74Me said:

but if I don't use it like that, tilting LCD is much - I mean MUCH - more convenient.

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how do you shoot studio portraits at waste height ?

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If you hide from the world in the studio - you have plenty of cameras with FA screen available We all have different needs, different preferences - and the topic is about WHY some of us prefere different options than you.

leorimkus said:

A74Me said:

leorimkus said:

but if I don't use it like that, tilting LCD is much - I mean MUCH - more convenient.

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how do you shoot studio portraits at waste height ?

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If you hide from the world in the studio - you have plenty of cameras with FA screen available We all have different needs, different preferences - and the topic is about WHY some of us prefere different options than you.

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I use 24inch fully articulated screens and out in the field a 7 inch fully articulated field monitor that i can see in direct sunlight.

MediaArchivist said:

The common interpretation (certainly on this thread) is "2 way tilt" refers to "tilt up" and "tilt down". But I don't think there is an single official (or standard) definition for almost any of the terms for a rear screen other than "fixed". There are at least five different implementations I can think of for "fully articulating" as seen on the:

• Sony a7Rv
• Sony a99/a77/etc
• Pentax K1
• Nikon Z8
• Canon/Panasonic/etc

Each one has different advantages and disadvantages. My favorite is the a99/a77 type of articulation, but the a7Rv is pretty close. My best guess is the new Nikon implementation is pretty close as well but I have yet to see one in the wild so I am not 100% sure how it articulates.

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I agree with the articulating screen of the A99ii. It tilts and turns in every way imaginable while still staying on the axis with the lens, a feature I like.

MediaArchivist said:

The common interpretation (certainly on this thread) is "2 way tilt" refers to "tilt up" and "tilt down". But I don't think there is an single official (or standard) definition for almost any of the terms for a rear screen other than "fixed".

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Yeah, I'm a technician so to me tilt up and down is only one way (rotation around an axis, is only one movement to me)

so in my head, Fuji style side flipping tilt screens are "2 way tilt", but I can understand how people referring to up / down as two different movements and therefore call simple tilt screens "2 way tilt" as well, and would call Fuji's implementation "3 way tilt"

I guess from now on I'll just say "2 axis tilt" it's going to be a lot simpler for everyone.

MediaArchivist said:

There are at least five different implementations I can think of for "fully articulating" as seen on the:

• Sony a7Rv
• Sony a99/a77/etc
• Pentax K1
• Nikon Z8
• Canon/Panasonic/etc

Each one has different advantages and disadvantages. My favorite is the a99/a77 type of articulation, but the a7Rv is pretty close. My best guess is the new Nikon implementation is pretty close as well but I have yet to see one in the wild so I am not 100% sure how it articulates.

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To me, "fully articulating" means that it can articulate to face you, wherever you stand from the camera. In that regard, the Z8 and the K1 do not fit that definition, the Z8 being a more advanced design allowing for a wider angle of movement, but ultimately is very similar in use to screen that you'd find on a Fuji X-T2/3/5, and the K1 being a very complicated design but useful only if you stand behind the camera. If you're using a tripod, then the A99 screen doesn't either, as the tripod head would block the view.

I guess we can call them with "ball joints" (it's not really a ball joint but the functionality is very close).

• the classic FA screen as seen in Canon cameras could be called "side ball joint"
• the more advanced Panasonic GH6 / Sony A7RV could be called "tilt + side ball joint"
• the A99 style screen could be called "bottom ball joint"
• the Pentax K1 screen could be called a "rear ball joint"
• the Fuji / Z8 screen could be called "2 axis tilt screen"

I think that could help clearing out a lot in screen articulation debates where no one is able to know what we're talking about

To my eyes, every screen design shows compromises, except the A7RV design, which allows to tilt the screen aligned with the lens in both horizontal and vertical orientation, and see yourself, and have the range of motion to go with it. The X-T100 screen design was also pretty close to this, but we didn't see that design in the X-T200 as it moved to a traditional fully articulated screen. I think it's safe to say that we will not see that screen design again.

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To me, "fully articulating" means that it can articulate to face you, wherever you stand from the camera. In that regard, the Z8 and the K1 do not fit that definition, the Z8 being a more advanced design allowing for a wider angle of movement, but ultimately is very similar in use to screen that you'd find on a Fuji X-T2/3/5, and the K1 being a very complicated design but useful only if you stand behind the camera. If you're using a tripod, then the A99 screen doesn't either, as the tripod head would block the view.

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The A99ii screen can be flipped up and turned forward when used on a Tripod while standing in front of the camera. That method doesn't work for vlogging with a microphone mounted on top but for stills, it works well.

Jean Daniel Villiers said:

I just don't understand the hate for those fully articulating screen except for gray hair man that feel a bit time are passing them by. I myself is a grey hair man and I cannot say how practical this is for photography. No more having to lie completely down to do vertical or horizontal low shot with my back and knees. You can also flip it back to look more like a film camera or protect the screen....

ORRRRR god forbid, the worst thing for some and do some selfies. Now I can at least be in some of the shots with family and friends, you can also rapidly compose a shot with them and use my phone as a remote for more traditional photography. How many photographers in the end find themselves out of the picture, without pictures with loved ones who have passed by etc.

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I agree. I think people who frequently do low or high angled shooting and rarely need that in portrait mode, have a case to make preferring tilting since it remains on-axis

but most of the time, I roll my eyes at criticisms, cause it's just likes like a small segment of loud people going, "hrmph hurumph SELFIES"

Make Photography Great Again said:

Jean Daniel Villiers said:

I just don't understand the hate for those fully articulating screen except for gray hair man that feel a bit time are passing them by. I myself is a grey hair man and I cannot say how practical this is for photography. No more having to lie completely down to do vertical or horizontal low shot with my back and knees. You can also flip it back to look more like a film camera or protect the screen....

ORRRRR god forbid, the worst thing for some and do some selfies. Now I can at least be in some of the shots with family and friends, you can also rapidly compose a shot with them and use my phone as a remote for more traditional photography. How many photographers in the end find themselves out of the picture, without pictures with loved ones who have passed by etc.

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I agree. I think people who frequently do low or high angled shooting and rarely need that in portrait mode, have a case to make preferring tilting since it remains on-axis

but most of the time, I roll my eyes at criticisms, cause it's just likes like a small segment of loud people going, "hrmph hurumph SELFIES"

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This sounds like a you problem that has nothing to do with the discussions in this thread. Can you point to the posts where people bash the flip out screen because it offends their inner Ansel Adams? The "loud" part is also ironic, as it is the supporters of the FA-LCD who have been more dismissive and vocal, at least in this thread.

For one, I listed selfies as a positive and praised the LCD design of my Fuji X-T100 that can tilt up/down and also flip 180 degrees to the left for selfies/vlogging. The FA-LCD on my X-S10 only flips out but it doesn't tilt up/down and THAT LACK OF FUNCTIONALITY I find inconvenient.

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leorimkus said:

I see the advantages of fully articulating LCD for selfie lovers, vloggers,

it's usable in various awkward positions - but if I don't use it like that, tilting LCD is much - I mean MUCH - more convenient.

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The tilting screen mostly requires your body to be behind the camera - it limits the positions from which you can use the camera.

Those “awkward” positions as you describe them are awkward because of the limitations of the tilting screen.

Peter

Messier Object said:

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Messier Object said:

I see the advantages of fully articulating LCD for selfie lovers, vloggers,

it's usable in various awkward positions - but if I don't use it like that, tilting LCD is much - I mean MUCH - more convenient.

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The tilting screen mostly requires your body to be behind the camera - it limits the positions from which you can use the camera.

Those “awkward” positions as you describe them are awkward because of the limitations of the tilting screen.

Peter

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My body and the camera controls, are more likely to limit where I can have the camera; my arms don't work well, past vertical. I use both types of screens and neither is a deal breaker. However, I haven't found a time when the FA made a positive difference except for when I am in the picture. However, for my use, the tilt has more advantages for me. So, if I could have only one, it would still be the 2/3 way tilt screen. But A7R V is the best of all.

A74Me said:

A74Me said:

but if I don't use it like that, tilting LCD is much - I mean MUCH - more convenient.

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how do you shoot studio portraits at waste height ?

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Oh, there can be a lot of waste portraits shot

if the model is sitting on the floor and the photographer is standing, or even seated, then getting the camera down to the model’s chest level requires waist level, or even lower, shooting.

AlephNull said:

A74Me said:

AlephNull said:

but if I don't use it like that, tilting LCD is much - I mean MUCH - more convenient.

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how do you shoot studio portraits at waste height ?

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Oh, there can be a lot of waste portraits shot

if the model is sitting on the floor and the photographer is standing, or even seated, then getting the camera down to the model’s chest level requires waist level, or even lower, shooting.

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+1

Not to mention almost all highschool/seniors sports pictures are taken from waist height or below, to give them the larger-than-life appearance.

But really, both a flippy screen and the other options can manage this without much effort.

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I am sure that the people who want a full articulating flip-out screen to have the option to take photos that they do not take, also daily drive a 4-wheel-drive 8-seat transporter in the city to have the option to drive off-road with 7 passengers .

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Suntan said:

Not to mention almost all highschool/seniors sports pictures are taken from waist height or below, to give them the larger-than-life appearance.

But really, both a flippy screen and the other options can manage this without much effort.

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I find it a hassle shooting waist level (in landscape orientation) using a screen like the A7C* or A7IV, because it gets in the way of my left hand. This is where the tilt screen works better.

Definitely agree. But it's not a show-stopper