Lens on for firmware update?

Abbott Schindler said:

This has been an interesting thread. Like others, I never noticed the "remove the lens" step and have been upgrading the firmware on both of my R5's with lenses installed (usually 24-105 on one camera, 100-500 on the other). After reading mvert's observation about AF, I decided to reload firmware v1.8.1 ( which I'd previously installed) onto both cameras (I assumed that reinstalling couldn't/wouldn't hurt).

Like others, I never noticed AF changes when upgrading with lens installed, at least through v1.7. With 1.8.1 my cameras seemed a little less confident about AF: it took just enough longer and was just enough less accurate in tracking that I missed some nice BIF shots.

Now I'm testing both cameras and AF feels a tad snappier. I haven't tried Eye Tracking yet, but Single Point definitely feels a bit better. I think the few minutes I spent doing this was worthwhile.

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lenarufus said:

Yes I also turn the camera off before changing lenses. I just rang Georges camera shop in Sydney and the guy said the only reason you need a body cap when updating firmware is to prevent dust entering .. I would have thought it had more to do with the electronics?

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Zeee said:

Abbott Schindler said:

This has been an interesting thread. Like others, I never noticed the "remove the lens" step and have been upgrading the firmware on both of my R5's with lenses installed (usually 24-105 on one camera, 100-500 on the other). After reading mvert's observation about AF, I decided to reload firmware v1.8.1 ( which I'd previously installed) onto both cameras (I assumed that reinstalling couldn't/wouldn't hurt).

Like others, I never noticed AF changes when upgrading with lens installed, at least through v1.7. With 1.8.1 my cameras seemed a little less confident about AF: it took just enough longer and was just enough less accurate in tracking that I missed some nice BIF shots.

Now I'm testing both cameras and AF feels a tad snappier. I haven't tried Eye Tracking yet, but Single Point definitely feels a bit better. I think the few minutes I spent doing this was worthwhile.

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It is a general safety precaution and who knows if it can or not cause an issue. I never used to power down the camera before swapping a lens but I do now with the R system. The IS will run until it times out to go to sleep or you power off.

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Zeee said:

Abbott Schindler said:

This has been an interesting thread. Like others, I never noticed the "remove the lens" step and have been upgrading the firmware on both of my R5's with lenses installed (usually 24-105 on one camera, 100-500 on the other). After reading mvert's observation about AF, I decided to reload firmware v1.8.1 ( which I'd previously installed) onto both cameras (I assumed that reinstalling couldn't/wouldn't hurt).

Like others, I never noticed AF changes when upgrading with lens installed, at least through v1.7. With 1.8.1 my cameras seemed a little less confident about AF: it took just enough longer and was just enough less accurate in tracking that I missed some nice BIF shots.

Now I'm testing both cameras and AF feels a tad snappier. I haven't tried Eye Tracking yet, but Single Point definitely feels a bit better. I think the few minutes I spent doing this was worthwhile.

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It is a general safety precaution and who knows if it can or not cause an issue. I never used to power down the camera before swapping a lens but I do now with the R system. The IS will run until it times out to go to sleep or you power off.

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RDKirk said:

Zeee said:

Abbott Schindler said:

This has been an interesting thread. Like others, I never noticed the "remove the lens" step and have been upgrading the firmware on both of my R5's with lenses installed (usually 24-105 on one camera, 100-500 on the other). After reading mvert's observation about AF, I decided to reload firmware v1.8.1 ( which I'd previously installed) onto both cameras (I assumed that reinstalling couldn't/wouldn't hurt).

Like others, I never noticed AF changes when upgrading with lens installed, at least through v1.7. With 1.8.1 my cameras seemed a little less confident about AF: it took just enough longer and was just enough less accurate in tracking that I missed some nice BIF shots.

Now I'm testing both cameras and AF feels a tad snappier. I haven't tried Eye Tracking yet, but Single Point definitely feels a bit better. I think the few minutes I spent doing this was worthwhile.

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It is a general safety precaution and who knows if it can or not cause an issue. I never used to power down the camera before swapping a lens but I do now with the R system. The IS will run until it times out to go to sleep or you power off.

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I use EOS Utility to upgrade firmware. Inasmuch as EOS Utility knows there is a lens attached, it's never alerted me to dismount the lens.

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David Hull said:

Zeee said:

Abbott Schindler said:

This has been an interesting thread. Like others, I never noticed the "remove the lens" step and have been upgrading the firmware on both of my R5's with lenses installed (usually 24-105 on one camera, 100-500 on the other). After reading mvert's observation about AF, I decided to reload firmware v1.8.1 ( which I'd previously installed) onto both cameras (I assumed that reinstalling couldn't/wouldn't hurt).

Like others, I never noticed AF changes when upgrading with lens installed, at least through v1.7. With 1.8.1 my cameras seemed a little less confident about AF: it took just enough longer and was just enough less accurate in tracking that I missed some nice BIF shots.

Now I'm testing both cameras and AF feels a tad snappier. I haven't tried Eye Tracking yet, but Single Point definitely feels a bit better. I think the few minutes I spent doing this was worthwhile.

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It is a general safety precaution and who knows if it can or not cause an issue. I never used to power down the camera before swapping a lens but I do now with the R system. The IS will run until it times out to go to sleep or you power off.

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IMO, it would behoove Canon to make the process work regardless of lens attachment or switch positions -- in other words make it as foolproof as possible to keep the customer support phone from ringing off the hook.

I noticed that they don't tell us to take the battery out and put it back in anymore (or I missed it). Funny I still do that because I think it is a good idea.

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Zeee said:

David Hull said:

Zeee said:

Abbott Schindler said:

This has been an interesting thread. Like others, I never noticed the "remove the lens" step and have been upgrading the firmware on both of my R5's with lenses installed (usually 24-105 on one camera, 100-500 on the other). After reading mvert's observation about AF, I decided to reload firmware v1.8.1 ( which I'd previously installed) onto both cameras (I assumed that reinstalling couldn't/wouldn't hurt).

Like others, I never noticed AF changes when upgrading with lens installed, at least through v1.7. With 1.8.1 my cameras seemed a little less confident about AF: it took just enough longer and was just enough less accurate in tracking that I missed some nice BIF shots.

Now I'm testing both cameras and AF feels a tad snappier. I haven't tried Eye Tracking yet, but Single Point definitely feels a bit better. I think the few minutes I spent doing this was worthwhile.

Click to expand...

It is a general safety precaution and who knows if it can or not cause an issue. I never used to power down the camera before swapping a lens but I do now with the R system. The IS will run until it times out to go to sleep or you power off.

Click to expand...

IMO, it would behoove Canon to make the process work regardless of lens attachment or switch positions -- in other words make it as foolproof as possible to keep the customer support phone from ringing off the hook.

I noticed that they don't tell us to take the battery out and put it back in anymore (or I missed it). Funny I still do that because I think it is a good idea.

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Battery out for what purpose? I recall this but can’t remember. Do modern cameras still have that second small battery?

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Zeee said:

Sometimes those full reboots are a good thing. I reboot my TV, modem, computers, iPhones, etc regularly.

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Quarkcharmed said:

RDKirk said:

Zeee said:

Abbott Schindler said:

This has been an interesting thread. Like others, I never noticed the "remove the lens" step and have been upgrading the firmware on both of my R5's with lenses installed (usually 24-105 on one camera, 100-500 on the other). After reading mvert's observation about AF, I decided to reload firmware v1.8.1 ( which I'd previously installed) onto both cameras (I assumed that reinstalling couldn't/wouldn't hurt).

Like others, I never noticed AF changes when upgrading with lens installed, at least through v1.7. With 1.8.1 my cameras seemed a little less confident about AF: it took just enough longer and was just enough less accurate in tracking that I missed some nice BIF shots.

Now I'm testing both cameras and AF feels a tad snappier. I haven't tried Eye Tracking yet, but Single Point definitely feels a bit better. I think the few minutes I spent doing this was worthwhile.

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It is a general safety precaution and who knows if it can or not cause an issue. I never used to power down the camera before swapping a lens but I do now with the R system. The IS will run until it times out to go to sleep or you power off.

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I use EOS Utility to upgrade firmware. Inasmuch as EOS Utility knows there is a lens attached, it's never alerted me to dismount the lens.

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In fact, the camera knows even better if it has a lens attached, and doesn't refuse to update the firmware.

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David Hull said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

Zeee said:

Abbott Schindler said:

This has been an interesting thread. Like others, I never noticed the "remove the lens" step and have been upgrading the firmware on both of my R5's with lenses installed (usually 24-105 on one camera, 100-500 on the other). After reading mvert's observation about AF, I decided to reload firmware v1.8.1 ( which I'd previously installed) onto both cameras (I assumed that reinstalling couldn't/wouldn't hurt).

Like others, I never noticed AF changes when upgrading with lens installed, at least through v1.7. With 1.8.1 my cameras seemed a little less confident about AF: it took just enough longer and was just enough less accurate in tracking that I missed some nice BIF shots.

Now I'm testing both cameras and AF feels a tad snappier. I haven't tried Eye Tracking yet, but Single Point definitely feels a bit better. I think the few minutes I spent doing this was worthwhile.

Click to expand...

It is a general safety precaution and who knows if it can or not cause an issue. I never used to power down the camera before swapping a lens but I do now with the R system. The IS will run until it times out to go to sleep or you power off.

Click to expand...

IMO, it would behoove Canon to make the process work regardless of lens attachment or switch positions -- in other words make it as foolproof as possible to keep the customer support phone from ringing off the hook.

I noticed that they don't tell us to take the battery out and put it back in anymore (or I missed it). Funny I still do that because I think it is a good idea.

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Battery out for what purpose? I recall this but can’t remember. Do modern cameras still have that second small battery?

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I suspect that they wanted a full reboot. It doesn't seem like a bad idea but I don't think it is there in the list of instructions anymore.

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David Hull said:

David Hull said:

Sometimes those full reboots are a good thing. I reboot my TV, modem, computers, iPhones, etc regularly.

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RDKirk said:

Zeee said:

Abbott Schindler said:

This has been an interesting thread. Like others, I never noticed the "remove the lens" step and have been upgrading the firmware on both of my R5's with lenses installed (usually 24-105 on one camera, 100-500 on the other). After reading mvert's observation about AF, I decided to reload firmware v1.8.1 ( which I'd previously installed) onto both cameras (I assumed that reinstalling couldn't/wouldn't hurt).

Like others, I never noticed AF changes when upgrading with lens installed, at least through v1.7. With 1.8.1 my cameras seemed a little less confident about AF: it took just enough longer and was just enough less accurate in tracking that I missed some nice BIF shots.

Now I'm testing both cameras and AF feels a tad snappier. I haven't tried Eye Tracking yet, but Single Point definitely feels a bit better. I think the few minutes I spent doing this was worthwhile.

Click to expand...

It is a general safety precaution and who knows if it can or not cause an issue. I never used to power down the camera before swapping a lens but I do now with the R system. The IS will run until it times out to go to sleep or you power off.

Click to expand...

I use EOS Utility to upgrade firmware. Inasmuch as EOS Utility knows there is a lens attached, it's never alerted me to dismount the lens.

Click to expand...

Zeee said:

RDKirk said:

Zeee said:

Abbott Schindler said:

This has been an interesting thread. Like others, I never noticed the "remove the lens" step and have been upgrading the firmware on both of my R5's with lenses installed (usually 24-105 on one camera, 100-500 on the other). After reading mvert's observation about AF, I decided to reload firmware v1.8.1 ( which I'd previously installed) onto both cameras (I assumed that reinstalling couldn't/wouldn't hurt).

Like others, I never noticed AF changes when upgrading with lens installed, at least through v1.7. With 1.8.1 my cameras seemed a little less confident about AF: it took just enough longer and was just enough less accurate in tracking that I missed some nice BIF shots.

Now I'm testing both cameras and AF feels a tad snappier. I haven't tried Eye Tracking yet, but Single Point definitely feels a bit better. I think the few minutes I spent doing this was worthwhile.

Click to expand...

It is a general safety precaution and who knows if it can or not cause an issue. I never used to power down the camera before swapping a lens but I do now with the R system. The IS will run until it times out to go to sleep or you power off.

Click to expand...

I use EOS Utility to upgrade firmware. Inasmuch as EOS Utility knows there is a lens attached, it's never alerted me to dismount the lens.

Click to expand...

So we have two scenarios. Instructions that comes with every FW update we download and the ES Utility approach. People can decide what they want to do.

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RDKirk said:

Zeee said:

RDKirk said:

Zeee said:

Abbott Schindler said:

This has been an interesting thread. Like others, I never noticed the "remove the lens" step and have been upgrading the firmware on both of my R5's with lenses installed (usually 24-105 on one camera, 100-500 on the other). After reading mvert's observation about AF, I decided to reload firmware v1.8.1 ( which I'd previously installed) onto both cameras (I assumed that reinstalling couldn't/wouldn't hurt).

Like others, I never noticed AF changes when upgrading with lens installed, at least through v1.7. With 1.8.1 my cameras seemed a little less confident about AF: it took just enough longer and was just enough less accurate in tracking that I missed some nice BIF shots.

Now I'm testing both cameras and AF feels a tad snappier. I haven't tried Eye Tracking yet, but Single Point definitely feels a bit better. I think the few minutes I spent doing this was worthwhile.

Click to expand...

It is a general safety precaution and who knows if it can or not cause an issue. I never used to power down the camera before swapping a lens but I do now with the R system. The IS will run until it times out to go to sleep or you power off.

Click to expand...

I use EOS Utility to upgrade firmware. Inasmuch as EOS Utility knows there is a lens attached, it's never alerted me to dismount the lens.

Click to expand...

So we have two scenarios. Instructions that comes with every FW update we download and the ES Utility approach. People can decide what they want to do.

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I use EOS Utility quite frequently for other purposes. EOS Utility has a button that says "Load Firmware," so I use it.

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