Why no Update to RX100 VII?

Possible improvements:
  • better AF, latest AF tracking, inkl. subject recognition
The VII is already top-of-the-line in that regard.
No, it's been left behind. The new A6700 is well ahead.
If you actually owned an RX100VII you would realize the AF is so good and so reliable that any improvements that the 6700 has would be marginal at best.
I was simply pointing out that Sony's AF capabilities have moved on several steps in the four years since the M7. It simply is not top-of-the-line (actually, it never was). You may think it's good enough, but it's years behind the current state of the art. I find the M6 AF is good enough for my use, but wouldn't claim it was still top-of-the-line.
It's like the way IQ improvements have become. It's hard to see the improvements even if they are there. Because of that, any monetary investment in an upgrade would be hard to justify. My RX10iv has the same AF capabilities as your 100VI. The 100VII is much better. I never realized how much better until I bought one. It's enough that if an RX10V came out with the RX100VII AF I would buy one in a second.
  • better dynamic range
It's already about as good as you can get from a 1" sensor.
  • latest UI
The VII has the latest UI.
No, it has the old UI and menus, dating from years ago. New Sony cameras have a different menu system that's much more popular.
The UI of the RX100VII is a significant improvement over your 100VI and my 10IV.
That was four years ago. Things have moved on since then, and the latest UI is a much bigger improvement. It is simply incorrect to say, "The VII has the latest UI."
Again, any further improvement would not be enough to consider an upgrade.
Fair enough, but people who have actually experienced the new menu system in Sony's current camera generation says it's a big improvement. You may not care, but it's simply incorrect to claim that, "The VII has the latest UI". That's not been true for years.
 
Instead of 24-200, I would love to see a 20-150 lens and the new AI AF.
That's now phone camera territory. There won't be any new new compact cameras with such a zoom range.
I am also hoping for a new RX100 VIII. Would also love to see a medium format RX1 type w/a 28 or 35 lens...
Maybe, but it won't be from Sony.
It is phone territory, but not exactely as good. Phone cameras on that focal lenght have much smaller sensors, nothing near real 1" and, even with more advanced processing on the phones, that show on quality.

I would also prefer a bright 20-120mm with modern AF and processing. It would deliver what my phone does not deliver, past 24mm equivalent. And still fitting on the pocket.

But that said, yes, that will probably never exist. The bigger part of the market seem to have already decided it. Even if not technically consistent, sometimes.
I was commenting on this statement: Would also love to see a medium format RX1 type w/a 28 or 35 lens...
 
No, it's been left behind. The new A6700 is well ahead.
If you actually owned an RX100VII you would realize the AF is so good and so reliable that any improvements that the 6700 has would be marginal at best. It's like the way IQ improvements have become. It's hard to see the improvements even if they are there. Because of that, any monetary investment in an upgrade would be hard to justify. My RX10iv has the same AF capabilities as your 100VI. The 100VII is much better. I never realized how much better until I bought one. It's enough that if an RX10V came out with the RX100VII AF I would buy one in a second.
As a VII user, I agree with tbcass. I have been impressed with the VII AF-C for moving subjects. I went to high goal, fast moving polo match last weekend and every image came out in focus. Here is my post on it:

 
I'm just saying RX100s could be the perfect camera, period. If only...

I simply don't get Sony and their thing to be ultra compact.
I totally get Sony's thing to be 'ultra compact'. If the RX100M3 couldn't fit in my shirt pocket, I never would have bought it. I would have bought something else that does fit.
You say that because ( most probably) you never had an HX50/60.
And I never will. Fixed rear screen, no EVF except as an add-on ... no, thank you. It would be like shooting with our old HX5 and HX9V again.
Cause if you had one, you would see that it has a better body than the following HX models and the RX models while fitting in a shirt or jeans pocket.
We do have an HX90V in the family. Same body size, sensor size, and zoom range as the HX50/60 - plus a hinged rear screen and integrated EVF. It earns its keep, though the RX100M3 beats it in pretty much everything except long reach. They make a good pair for two people who travel together.
I beg to differ.

regarding size

Sony HX50V vs Sony HX90V Full Comparison - PXLMAG.com

As you can see not only the HX50 has a better body but it's grip it's also better..

Fixed screen, hinged screen it's all the same rubbish, fully articulated screen it's so much better.

Other thing, the HX -50/60 has 720 mm equivalent ( 4.3 - 129 mm) while the HX-80/90 has (4.1 - 123 mm) it's not much i know but if we add the HX-95/99 (4.25 - 118 mm).

All these cameras supposedly have the same focal length which is 720 mm.

But if we consider 129 mm = 720 mm, the crop factor in these cameras it's what, 5.5?

then 129 = 710mm

123 = 680 mm + 11mm (4.1 instead of 4.3) = 691 mm

118 = 650 mm

Normally these kind of differences doesn't mean much out there, and the times we are able to use the full zoom for a distant object it's not as common as we may think ( due to weather conditions), but then again, there are those times where we want a bit more and we don't have it.
 
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No, it's been left behind. The new A6700 is well ahead.
If you actually owned an RX100VII you would realize the AF is so good and so reliable that any improvements that the 6700 has would be marginal at best. It's like the way IQ improvements have become. It's hard to see the improvements even if they are there. Because of that, any monetary investment in an upgrade would be hard to justify. My RX10iv has the same AF capabilities as your 100VI. The 100VII is much better. I never realized how much better until I bought one. It's enough that if an RX10V came out with the RX100VII AF I would buy one in a second.
As a VII user, I agree with tbcass. I have been impressed with the VII AF-C for moving subjects. I went to high goal, fast moving polo match last weekend and every image came out in focus. Here is my post on it:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4720361
Yes, the M7's AF was excellent, but Sony has continued to improve its AF technology in the four years since then. For example, it now uses dedicated AI subject recognition hardware that wasn't available till last year. It can predict where the eyes are, even when they're not visible.

Here it is in action:

 
Instead of 24-200, I would love to see a 20-150 lens and the new AI AF.
That's now phone camera territory. There won't be any new new compact cameras with such a zoom range.
I am also hoping for a new RX100 VIII. Would also love to see a medium format RX1 type w/a 28 or 35 lens...
Maybe, but it won't be from Sony.
It is phone territory, but not exactely as good. Phone cameras on that focal lenght have much smaller sensors, nothing near real 1" and, even with more advanced processing on the phones, that show on quality.

I would also prefer a bright 20-120mm with modern AF and processing. It would deliver what my phone does not deliver, past 24mm equivalent. And still fitting on the pocket.

But that said, yes, that will probably never exist. The bigger part of the market seem to have already decided it. Even if not technically consistent, sometimes.
I was commenting on this statement: Would also love to see a medium format RX1 type w/a 28 or 35 lens...
Oh I didn't disagree with your entire comment, just included that aspect about phone cameras, which is usually let aside. Nowadays they're on telephoto territory and on 1" sensor territory, but not both at the same time.

Another way to see it: a rx100m7 with modern smartphone processing/computational photography would VERY probably deliver superior results than the 3, 5, 10x cameras on the phones, even on jpeg, and would also fit on a pocket! But for some reason, the manufacturers of compacts didn't even seem to try that seriously.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/11117239@N08/
 
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Instead of 24-200, I would love to see a 20-150 lens and the new AI AF.
That's now phone camera territory. There won't be any new new compact cameras with such a zoom range.
I am also hoping for a new RX100 VIII. Would also love to see a medium format RX1 type w/a 28 or 35 lens...
Maybe, but it won't be from Sony.
It is phone territory, but not exactely as good. Phone cameras on that focal lenght have much smaller sensors, nothing near real 1" and, even with more advanced processing on the phones, that show on quality.

I would also prefer a bright 20-120mm with modern AF and processing. It would deliver what my phone does not deliver, past 24mm equivalent. And still fitting on the pocket.

But that said, yes, that will probably never exist. The bigger part of the market seem to have already decided it. Even if not technically consistent, sometimes.
I was commenting on this statement: Would also love to see a medium format RX1 type w/a 28 or 35 lens...
Oh I didn't disagree with your entire comment, just included that aspect about phone cameras, which is usually let aside. Nowadays they're on telephoto territory and on 1" sensor territory, but not both at the same time.

Another way to see it: a rx100m7 with modern smartphone processing/computational photography would VERY probably deliver superior results than the 3, 5, 10x cameras on the phones, even on jpeg, and would also fit on a pocket! But for some reason, the manufacturers of compacts didn't even seem to try that seriously.
I think the manufacturers have all found that the vast majority of former compact camera buyers just aren't interested in buying, learning, carrying, charging and operating separate compact cameras, regardless of image quality or features. The buyers find that phone cameras are much more convenient for taking and sharing images, and they like the way the phone curates and identifies photos based on when and where they were taken.



I'm just back from a cruise around the highly photogenic Iceland. If there's one place you take your best cameras, it's there. But, needless to say, most tourists just used their phones and tablets. I saw a couple of heavy DSLRs with big white zooms, but almost no compacts. One guy had an RX10M4 set on Auto mode.
 
I'm just saying RX100s could be the perfect camera, period. If only...

I simply don't get Sony and their thing to be ultra compact.
I totally get Sony's thing to be 'ultra compact'. If the RX100M3 couldn't fit in my shirt pocket, I never would have bought it. I would have bought something else that does fit.
You say that because ( most probably) you never had an HX50/60.
And I never will. Fixed rear screen, no EVF except as an add-on ... no, thank you. It would be like shooting with our old HX5 and HX9V again.
Cause if you had one, you would see that it has a better body than the following HX models and the RX models while fitting in a shirt or jeans pocket.
We do have an HX90V in the family. Same body size, sensor size, and zoom range as the HX50/60 - plus a hinged rear screen and integrated EVF. It earns its keep, though the RX100M3 beats it in pretty much everything except long reach. They make a good pair for two people who travel together.
I beg to differ.
I know. We differ in what we regard as important or unimportant, as all people do.
Right: the same size (within millimeters), so no important difference.
As you can see not only the HX50 has a better body but it's grip it's also better..
An important difference to you, an unimportant difference to me.
Fixed screen, hinged screen it's all the same rubbish, fully articulated screen it's so much better.
An important difference to me, an unimportant difference to you.
Other thing, the HX -50/60 has 720 mm equivalent ( 4.3 - 129 mm) while the HX-80/90 has (4.1 - 123 mm) it's not much i know but if we add the HX-95/99 (4.25 - 118 mm).
They're all designated as 24-720mm equivalent.
All these cameras supposedly have the same focal length which is 720 mm.

But if we consider 129 mm = 720 mm, the crop factor in these cameras it's what, 5.5?
The generally used crop factor for 1/2.3" sensors is between 5.6 and 5.7.
then 129 = 710mm

123 = 680 mm + 11mm (4.1 instead of 4.3) = 691 mm

118 = 650 mm

Normally these kind of differences doesn't mean much out there, and the times we are able to use the full zoom for a distant object it's not as common as we may think ( due to weather conditions), but then again, there are those times where we want a bit more and we don't have it.
We know about the discrepancies in focal lengths in HX models with 24-720mm equivalent lenses. They're possibly related to the way in which the image files are corrected. They're unimportant to me, and I don't think you can demonstrate with examples that they're important in any way.
 
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As i'm getting older those differences are becoming more important to me..

Regarding optics, i don't know either. i can only speculate

Ignoring the competition, and speaking only about Sony vs Sony, the optics are different between HX50/60 and HX80/90 and i'm not saying that Sony is lying about their product, after all the focal length are written in the lenses barrels.

But why they are pushing all these models as having the same focal lengths when they are clearly different?

One possible reason, the long zoom Is being considered as a gimmick, a selling point while they are retreating from this segment while at the same time shorten the focal length to a more manageable IQ, less reach less problems with heat distortions e.g.

To Cutting manufacturing costs?

As they left the HX last hurrah (HX95/99) and to this day there's not a direct comparison between the models with G lenses and Zeiss lenses.

Are they the same focal lengths?

What about IQ?

As we are talking about tiny sensors, the differences between IQ (processor and sensor generation) and by how much?

The main focus seems to be about the greatest and latest, but not every time i feel like picking up the great and latest, i just want to pick up something to go have some fun, and in this regard we are lacking.

Now, RXs seem to be at the same place where HXs were years ago, but that may not be related with phones alone and more to do with the fact that Sony cramped already all they had in a RX.

Perhaps it's not the end of RXs, don't forget that Sony has a shorter release cycle than all the competition...until now, perhaps Sony will release another RX when they have more things to put in. there was an hiatus between HX80/90 and the HX95/99 release.

I just hope one of those things will be a better body
 
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Instead of 24-200, I would love to see a 20-150 lens and the new AI AF.
That's now phone camera territory. There won't be any new new compact cameras with such a zoom range.
I am also hoping for a new RX100 VIII. Would also love to see a medium format RX1 type w/a 28 or 35 lens...
Maybe, but it won't be from Sony.
It is phone territory, but not exactely as good. Phone cameras on that focal lenght have much smaller sensors, nothing near real 1" and, even with more advanced processing on the phones, that show on quality.

I would also prefer a bright 20-120mm with modern AF and processing. It would deliver what my phone does not deliver, past 24mm equivalent. And still fitting on the pocket.

But that said, yes, that will probably never exist. The bigger part of the market seem to have already decided it. Even if not technically consistent, sometimes.
I was commenting on this statement: Would also love to see a medium format RX1 type w/a 28 or 35 lens...
Oh I didn't disagree with your entire comment, just included that aspect about phone cameras, which is usually let aside. Nowadays they're on telephoto territory and on 1" sensor territory, but not both at the same time.

Another way to see it: a rx100m7 with modern smartphone processing/computational photography would VERY probably deliver superior results than the 3, 5, 10x cameras on the phones, even on jpeg, and would also fit on a pocket! But for some reason, the manufacturers of compacts didn't even seem to try that seriously.
I think the manufacturers have all found that the vast majority of former compact camera buyers just aren't interested in buying, learning, carrying, charging and operating separate compact cameras, regardless of image quality or features. The buyers find that phone cameras are much more convenient for taking and sharing images, and they like the way the phone curates and identifies photos based on when and where they were taken.

I'm just back from a cruise around the highly photogenic Iceland. If there's one place you take your best cameras, it's there. But, needless to say, most tourists just used their phones and tablets. I saw a couple of heavy DSLRs with big white zooms, but almost no compacts. One guy had an RX10M4 set on Auto mode.
Yes I agree, it's basically what's happening.

Too bad that is creating a huge gap where, or you have a smartphone with its advantages and limitations... or you go for much bigger and usually much more expensive dedicated kits. The compromise, something smaller between them, was just dropped. Again, one cannot deny that a compact with 1" sensor, sharp lens and modern processing would deliver better results up from 24mm than a smartphone with 1/3" and heavy processing. And modern connectivity would easy up sharing, via smartphone. But that is basically being despised (and therefore killed before birth).

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/11117239@N08/
 
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As i'm getting older those differences are becoming more important to me..

Regarding optics, i don't know either. i can only speculate

Ignoring the competition, and speaking only about Sony vs Sony, the optics are different between HX50/60 and HX80/90 and i'm not saying that Sony is lying about their product, after all the focal length are written in the lenses barrels.

But why they are pushing all these models as having the same focal lengths when they are clearly different?

One possible reason, the long zoom Is being considered as a gimmick, a selling point while they are retreating from this segment while at the same time shorten the focal length to a more manageable IQ, less reach less problems with heat distortions e.g.

To Cutting manufacturing costs?

As they left the HX last hurrah (HX95/99) and to this day there's not a direct comparison between the models with G lenses and Zeiss lenses.

Are they the same focal lengths?

What about IQ?

As we are talking about tiny sensors, the differences between IQ (processor and sensor generation) and by how much?

The main focus seems to be about the greatest and latest, but not every time i feel like picking up the great and latest, i just want to pick up something to go have some fun, and in this regard we are lacking.

Now, RXs seem to be at the same place where HXs were years ago, but that may not be related with phones alone and more to do with the fact that Sony cramped already all they had in a RX.

Perhaps it's not the end of RXs, don't forget that Sony has a shorter release cycle than all the competition...until now, perhaps Sony will release another RX when they have more things to put in. there was an hiatus between HX80/90 and the HX95/99 release.

I just hope one of those things will be a better body
Unfortunately, I think Sony closed the Cyber-shot division in early 2019, when it decided that phones were the future for consumer cameras. Consequently, there have been no new or updated Cyber-shot models since July 2019.

There's is a technical argument for developing an RX10M5, but maybe there's no-one left to do it? All the former Cyber-shot staff left the company, or transferred to other departments.

Instead, there's a new department that canibalises other Sony cameras to make ZV cameras for vloggers. They, apparently, are the only compact cameras that still sell.
 
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Unfortunately, I think Sony closed the Cyber-shot division in early 2019, when it decided that phones were the future for consumer cameras. Consequently, there have been no new or updated Cyber-shot models since July 2019.

There's is a technical argument for developing an RX10M5, but maybe there's no-one left to do it? All the former Cyber-shot staff left the company, or transferred to other departments.

Instead, there's a new department that canibalises other Sony cameras to make ZV cameras for vloggers. They, apparently, are the only compact cameras that still sell.
Are they actually selling or they want to give this impression by repeating the same thing over and over until it is taken as fact?

I watch YT and there is no one vlogging with those cameras, expect the people that keep doing tutorials for those cameras. No one using them as studio cameras for their YT videos. Most people are asked what gear they have, many do a video just to show that, literally showing their gear, etc, but as real life video content creators that does not include talking about gear and reviewing gear as sole occupation on their channel.

So again just a handful of people who only speak of those cameras in all their videos, no one is claiming to use those cameras that actually vlog and not preach about those cameras.

On IG is pretty much Iphone and smartphone galore, there are dozens of great account from garden designers to farmers, to architects, it's no tiny 1" Sony camera. I doubt people who post cats all day long buy the Sony 1" cameras.
 
Regarding optics, i don't know either. i can only speculate

Ignoring the competition, and speaking only about Sony vs Sony, the optics are different between HX50/60 and HX80/90 and i'm not saying that Sony is lying about their product, after all the focal length are written in the lenses barrels.

But why they are pushing all these models as having the same focal lengths when they are clearly different?
As I suggested, the most likely explanation as to how the same equivalent zoom range can be obtained using slightly different focal lengths is through changes in the way lens corrections are applied. Lens corrections are required in these and similar cameras in order to keep the lens assemblies small and (relatively) affordable.

I assume that Sony made those slight changes over time in order to achieve some desired combination of lowering costs, reducing bulk, and maintaining or improving performance.
 
Unfortunately, I think Sony closed the Cyber-shot division in early 2019, when it decided that phones were the future for consumer cameras. Consequently, there have been no new or updated Cyber-shot models since July 2019.

There's is a technical argument for developing an RX10M5, but maybe there's no-one left to do it? All the former Cyber-shot staff left the company, or transferred to other departments.

Instead, there's a new department that canibalises other Sony cameras to make ZV cameras for vloggers. They, apparently, are the only compact cameras that still sell.
Are they actually selling or they want to give this impression by repeating the same thing over and over until it is taken as fact?

I watch YT and there is no one vlogging with those cameras, expect the people that keep doing tutorials for those cameras. No one using them as studio cameras for their YT videos. Most people are asked what gear they have, many do a video just to show that, literally showing their gear, etc, but as real life video content creators that does not include talking about gear and reviewing gear as sole occupation on their channel.

So again just a handful of people who only speak of those cameras in all their videos, no one is claiming to use those cameras that actually vlog and not preach about those cameras.

On IG is pretty much Iphone and smartphone galore, there are dozens of great account from garden designers to farmers, to architects, it's no tiny 1" Sony camera. I doubt people who post cats all day long buy the Sony 1" cameras.
You may well be right — I don't know. Maybe it's simply that Sony expected a healthy market for vlogger cameras, and created these models in anticipation?

Note that the Sony ZV vlogger range also includes APS-C and FF models, cut down from existing Alpha bodies.
 
Unfortunately, I think Sony closed the Cyber-shot division in early 2019, when it decided that phones were the future for consumer cameras. Consequently, there have been no new or updated Cyber-shot models since July 2019.

There's is a technical argument for developing an RX10M5, but maybe there's no-one left to do it? All the former Cyber-shot staff left the company, or transferred to other departments.

Instead, there's a new department that canibalises other Sony cameras to make ZV cameras for vloggers. They, apparently, are the only compact cameras that still sell.
Are they actually selling or they want to give this impression by repeating the same thing over and over until it is taken as fact?

I watch YT and there is no one vlogging with those cameras, expect the people that keep doing tutorials for those cameras. No one using them as studio cameras for their YT videos. Most people are asked what gear they have, many do a video just to show that, literally showing their gear, etc, but as real life video content creators that does not include talking about gear and reviewing gear as sole occupation on their channel.

So again just a handful of people who only speak of those cameras in all their videos, no one is claiming to use those cameras that actually vlog and not preach about those cameras.

On IG is pretty much Iphone and smartphone galore, there are dozens of great account from garden designers to farmers, to architects, it's no tiny 1" Sony camera. I doubt people who post cats all day long buy the Sony 1" cameras.
You may well be right — I don't know. Maybe it's simply that Sony expected a healthy market for vlogger cameras, and created these models in anticipation?

Note that the Sony ZV vlogger range also includes APS-C and FF models, cut down from existing Alpha bodies.
I meant to speak exclusively about the 1" sensor cameras from Sony, not about the ZV series as a whole.
 
Unfortunately, I think Sony closed the Cyber-shot division in early 2019, when it decided that phones were the future for consumer cameras. Consequently, there have been no new or updated Cyber-shot models since July 2019.

There's is a technical argument for developing an RX10M5, but maybe there's no-one left to do it? All the former Cyber-shot staff left the company, or transferred to other departments.

Instead, there's a new department that canibalises other Sony cameras to make ZV cameras for vloggers. They, apparently, are the only compact cameras that still sell.
Are they actually selling or they want to give this impression by repeating the same thing over and over until it is taken as fact?

I watch YT and there is no one vlogging with those cameras, expect the people that keep doing tutorials for those cameras. No one using them as studio cameras for their YT videos. Most people are asked what gear they have, many do a video just to show that, literally showing their gear, etc, but as real life video content creators that does not include talking about gear and reviewing gear as sole occupation on their channel.

So again just a handful of people who only speak of those cameras in all their videos, no one is claiming to use those cameras that actually vlog and not preach about those cameras.

On IG is pretty much Iphone and smartphone galore, there are dozens of great account from garden designers to farmers, to architects, it's no tiny 1" Sony camera. I doubt people who post cats all day long buy the Sony 1" cameras.
You may well be right — I don't know. Maybe it's simply that Sony expected a healthy market for vlogger cameras, and created these models in anticipation?

Note that the Sony ZV vlogger range also includes APS-C and FF models, cut down from existing Alpha bodies.
I meant to speak exclusively about the 1" sensor cameras from Sony, not about the ZV series as a whole.
Sony now seems to have a division devoted to the ZF vlogger cameras, which replaced the former Cyber-shot division. The switch happened in late 2019, between the release of the final(?) RX camera in July 2019, and the first ZV in May 2020. It almost looks like the entire Cyber-shot division was renamed and repurposed.

It's interesting to compare the ZV output with the now apparently dead RX family, which had, I think, a total of 14 models in the eight years from 2012 to 2019. The ZVs have had five models from 2020, so they're coming out at about the same rate. But the ZV models are cheap, low investment models, with little new tech.
 
It's been almost 4 years. I'm sure Sony could release a major improvement, and all of us folks who plunked down $1,000+ for a pocket A9 back in 2019 would go for it.
at least the Mk7 has the tracking AF -- it could do with a body ergonomics makeover , a CPU upgrade and maybe a lens tweak to get the long end better at the edges and the OIS to perform better but otherwise it`s AOK as is .

It`s the RX10 MkIV which desperately needs updating , PDAF only works in continuous AF (in single AF the camera basically becomes a Mk3) and the AF / tracking is about on par with an A7R Mk2 . this cam is need of some of the A7R5 AI and that realtime tracking magic as well as a major CPU update . but PLEASE leave the lens alone, optcically irs superb given a properly assembled sample , just make the zoom motors more reliable and less fragile and get with the program on sample consistency !
..after updating its FF range Sony just updated the APS-C series with the a6700 four years after the release of the a6600. May be (wishful thinking) the next step is the update of the RX series (starting with the RX10)..
 
It's been almost 4 years. I'm sure Sony could release a major improvement, and all of us folks who plunked down $1,000+ for a pocket A9 back in 2019 would go for it.
at least the Mk7 has the tracking AF -- it could do with a body ergonomics makeover , a CPU upgrade and maybe a lens tweak to get the long end better at the edges and the OIS to perform better but otherwise it`s AOK as is .

It`s the RX10 MkIV which desperately needs updating , PDAF only works in continuous AF (in single AF the camera basically becomes a Mk3) and the AF / tracking is about on par with an A7R Mk2 . this cam is need of some of the A7R5 AI and that realtime tracking magic as well as a major CPU update . but PLEASE leave the lens alone, optcically irs superb given a properly assembled sample , just make the zoom motors more reliable and less fragile and get with the program on sample consistency !
..after updating its FF range Sony just updated the APS-C series with the a6700 four years after the release of the a6600. May be (wishful thinking) the next step is the update of the RX series (starting with the RX10)..
An update to the RX10, similar to the A6700, is technically feasible and well worth doing, but my fear is that the Cyber-shot division is no more. They're off carving vlogging cameras out of stills cameras.

A similar update to the RX100 line isn't technically feasible, so the M7 is the end of the line. I think the RX1 line died years ago, so even though an RX1RM3 is technically feasible, it won't happen. The expected A7CM2 is its logical replacement.
 
It's been almost 4 years. I'm sure Sony could release a major improvement, and all of us folks who plunked down $1,000+ for a pocket A9 back in 2019 would go for it.
at least the Mk7 has the tracking AF -- it could do with a body ergonomics makeover , a CPU upgrade and maybe a lens tweak to get the long end better at the edges and the OIS to perform better but otherwise it`s AOK as is .

It`s the RX10 MkIV which desperately needs updating , PDAF only works in continuous AF (in single AF the camera basically becomes a Mk3) and the AF / tracking is about on par with an A7R Mk2 . this cam is need of some of the A7R5 AI and that realtime tracking magic as well as a major CPU update . but PLEASE leave the lens alone, optcically irs superb given a properly assembled sample , just make the zoom motors more reliable and less fragile and get with the program on sample consistency !
..after updating its FF range Sony just updated the APS-C series with the a6700 four years after the release of the a6600. May be (wishful thinking) the next step is the update of the RX series (starting with the RX10)..
An update to the RX10, similar to the A6700, is technically feasible and well worth doing, but my fear is that the Cyber-shot division is no more. They're off carving vlogging cameras out of stills cameras.
Where did you read that the Cybershot (design/development) division is no more?
A similar update to the RX100 line isn't technically feasible, so the M7 is the end of the line. I think the RX1 line died years ago, so even though an RX1RM3 is technically feasible, it won't happen. The expected A7CM2 is its logical replacement.
 
It's been almost 4 years. I'm sure Sony could release a major improvement, and all of us folks who plunked down $1,000+ for a pocket A9 back in 2019 would go for it.
at least the Mk7 has the tracking AF -- it could do with a body ergonomics makeover , a CPU upgrade and maybe a lens tweak to get the long end better at the edges and the OIS to perform better but otherwise it`s AOK as is .

It`s the RX10 MkIV which desperately needs updating , PDAF only works in continuous AF (in single AF the camera basically becomes a Mk3) and the AF / tracking is about on par with an A7R Mk2 . this cam is need of some of the A7R5 AI and that realtime tracking magic as well as a major CPU update . but PLEASE leave the lens alone, optcically irs superb given a properly assembled sample , just make the zoom motors more reliable and less fragile and get with the program on sample consistency !
..after updating its FF range Sony just updated the APS-C series with the a6700 four years after the release of the a6600. May be (wishful thinking) the next step is the update of the RX series (starting with the RX10)..
An update to the RX10, similar to the A6700, is technically feasible and well worth doing, but my fear is that the Cyber-shot division is no more. They're off carving vlogging cameras out of stills cameras.
Where did you read that the Cybershot (design/development) division is no more?
I didn't read it, but deduced it. If it still existed, the ZV-1 would have been called a Cyber-shot, just as the ZV-E1 is called an Alpha:

ZV-E1 is an Alpha - https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/zv-e1

ZV-1 is just a 'compact camera' - https://www.sony.co.uk/compact-cameras/products/zv-1

Even the RX100M7 has lost its Cyber-shot branding:

 

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