Ultra Wide Angle Compact Fast Prime for Fuji X?

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Other then the new Fuji 8mm (too wide & too slow), Samyang 12mm F2 and the Viltrox 13mm 1.4 (not compact), are there any other choices for an ultra wide fast prime for the Fuji X system?

Thanks in advance.
 
Other then the new Fuji 8mm (too wide & too slow), Samyang 12mm F2 and the Viltrox 13mm 1.4 (not compact), are there any other choices for an ultra wide fast prime for the Fuji X system?

Thanks in advance.
For AF lenses, the older Zeiss 12mm f2.8 is still a good lens optically and is relatively light and compact (though its hood is quite large). There are rumours that Yongnuo will release an 11mm f1.8, and for manual focus there is the new Nisi 9mm f2.8 and the Laowa 9mm f2.8, the Laowa being smaller.

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Hi,

Ultra-wide, fast and compact.... three adjectives very difficult to observe at the same time.

There's a big difference between 8mm and 12/13/14mm. The 8mm is as wide as it gets in Fuji and it's f3.5. Go to 9mm or 10mm and you're looking at f2.8 at best. The rumored Y11/1.8 is marketese for f2. The Samyang 12/2 is only 1mm longer, fast for the FL and reasonably compact. The Viltrox 13/1.4 was a ground breaker for 13mm and f1.4, but large.

Exactly how wide and how fast are you after? And how important is half a stop to get from say f3.5 to f2.8? Whats the application?

Regards, Rod
 
"Compact" and "fast" are mutually exclusive.
 
Other then the new Fuji 8mm (too wide & too slow), Samyang 12mm F2 and the Viltrox 13mm 1.4 (not compact), are there any other choices for an ultra wide fast prime for the Fuji X system?

Thanks in advance.
For AF lenses, the older Zeiss 12mm f2.8 is still a good lens optically and is relatively light and compact (though its hood is quite large). There are rumours that Yongnuo will release an 11mm f1.8, and for manual focus there is the new Nisi 9mm f2.8 and the Laowa 9mm f2.8, the Laowa being smaller.
Thank you!
 
Hi,

Ultra-wide, fast and compact.... three adjectives very difficult to observe at the same time.

There's a big difference between 8mm and 12/13/14mm. The 8mm is as wide as it gets in Fuji and it's f3.5. Go to 9mm or 10mm and you're looking at f2.8 at best. The rumored Y11/1.8 is marketese for f2. The Samyang 12/2 is only 1mm longer, fast for the FL and reasonably compact. The Viltrox 13/1.4 was a ground breaker for 13mm and f1.4, but large.

Exactly how wide and how fast are you after? And how important is half a stop to get from say f3.5 to f2.8? Whats the application?

Regards, Rod
I'm looking for a 16-19mm FF equivalent for travel and real estate video work on a light gimbal. 2.8 would be fine.
 
Other then the new Fuji 8mm (too wide & too slow), Samyang 12mm F2 and the Viltrox 13mm 1.4 (not compact), are there any other choices for an ultra wide fast prime for the Fuji X system?

Thanks in advance.
For AF lenses, the older Zeiss 12mm f2.8 is still a good lens optically and is relatively light and compact (though its hood is quite large). There are rumours that Yongnuo will release an 11mm f1.8, and for manual focus there is the new Nisi 9mm f2.8 and the Laowa 9mm f2.8, the Laowa being smaller.
Thank you!
I know you stated a prime, but if you're using it for real estate, and if the flexibility of a zoom is an option, then the new Tamron 11-20mm f2.8 at 335 grams may be worth considering as well. It's lighter and slightly smaller than Fuji's 10-24mm f4. It doesn't have built-in stabilization, but if you're using a gimbal then lack of lens-IS isn't a factor.
 
"Compact" and "fast" are mutually exclusive.
Is it though?
That depends on the definition of both 'compact' and 'fast'. If you're after an ultrafast (say f/0,95) lens, then chances are you won't find anything really compact(ish). If f/2.8 is sufficient, then you could opt for the Carl Zeiss Touit 2.8/12mm. Without the hood it's a nice size, it only weighs 270 grams, the hood is quite huge though.

It's a joy to use, handles very well and it can deliver excellent IQ. I've had one for a while now and it's great for city photography, landscapes, etc. I'd recommend it, for a review see for instance:

https://www.opticallimits.com/fuji_x/869-zeiss12f28
 
"Compact" and "fast" are mutually exclusive.
Is it though?
That depends on the definition of both 'compact' and 'fast'. If you're after an ultrafast (say f/0,95) lens, then chances are you won't find anything really compact(ish). If f/2.8 is sufficient, then you could opt for the Carl Zeiss Touit 2.8/12mm. Without the hood it's a nice size, it only weighs 270 grams, the hood is quite huge though.
f/0.95 is ultra-fast by any definition

f/2.8 would no way qualify as “fast” for a wide angle lens on APS-C according to my knowledge.
 
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"Compact" and "fast" are mutually exclusive.
Is it though?
That depends on the definition of both 'compact' and 'fast'. If you're after an ultrafast (say f/0,95) lens, then chances are you won't find anything really compact(ish). If f/2.8 is sufficient, then you could opt for the Carl Zeiss Touit 2.8/12mm. Without the hood it's a nice size, it only weighs 270 grams, the hood is quite huge though.
f/0.95 is ultra-fast by any definition

f/2.8 would no way qualify as “fast” for a wide angle lens on APS-C according to my knowledge.
But likely plenty fast enough for the usages that the OP indicated in an earlier post (real estate and travel). I used the Zeiss 12 f/2.8 mentioned above for years, and it was a superb lens both for astro (one of the most rigorous tests for any lens) and interiors. The question is whether anything faster in the focal length range the OP is looking for would be worth the significant additional cost and impact on size/handling.
 
"Compact" and "fast" are mutually exclusive.
Is it though?
That depends on the definition of both 'compact' and 'fast'. If you're after an ultrafast (say f/0,95) lens, then chances are you won't find anything really compact(ish). If f/2.8 is sufficient, then you could opt for the Carl Zeiss Touit 2.8/12mm. Without the hood it's a nice size, it only weighs 270 grams, the hood is quite huge though.
f/0.95 is ultra-fast by any definition

f/2.8 would no way qualify as “fast” for a wide angle lens on APS-C according to my knowledge.
I'm not sure I agree with you on that. Look at the current crop of wide angle (say from 8mm to 18 mm?) lenses for APS-C systems. There aren't that many that are faster than f/2.8. Fuji has a 1.4/16mm and a 2.0/18mm. Sony offers a 1.8/11 mm. Panasonic does a couple of very fast MFT lenses, and AFAIK that's about it from the camera manufacturers as far as lenses for smaller sensors goes.
 
"Compact" and "fast" are mutually exclusive.
Is it though?
Yes.

The norm is as follows:

f/2.8 is considered fast for zooms. Even so, such zooms are not compact, even for APSC, where filter sizes are around 77mm for wide zooms like the 16-55. For ultra wide zooms, take a look at the 8-16mm from Fuji as an example. For FF, wide angle zooms normally have a filter of 82mm. Only in m43 systems one can consider f/2.8 zooms as truly compact, but that is because he sensor size is much smaller. Going back to FF, Canon has a 28-70mm f/2.0 zoom lens, look at the size of it. And that is a standard lens, not wide angle zoom.

For primes, f/2.8 is not considered as fast. For that, you need to go to f/2.0 and faster.

You wrote in another reply that f/2.8 is fast enough for you; if that is the case, you should consider the new Fuji 8mm prime lens; after all, the difference between f/2.8 and f/3.5 is negligible.
 
Other then the new Fuji 8mm (too wide & too slow), Samyang 12mm F2 and the Viltrox 13mm 1.4 (not compact), are there any other choices for an ultra wide fast prime for the Fuji X system?

Thanks in advance.
The wider you go, the less you need a faster aperture (wider FOVs 'freeze' movement at slower SS, and allow you to shoot at slower SS handheld). Therefore, f/3.5 should be perfectly capable for almost any application at 8mm.

You can also choose between the Laowa 9mm f/2.8 which is compact and relatively fast, also the Laowa 10mm f/4 which is smaller but slower.
 
Other then the new Fuji 8mm (too wide & too slow), Samyang 12mm F2 and the Viltrox 13mm 1.4 (not compact), are there any other choices for an ultra wide fast prime for the Fuji X system?

Thanks in advance.
The wider you go, the less you need a faster aperture (wider FOVs 'freeze' movement at slower SS, and allow you to shoot at slower SS handheld). Therefore, f/3.5 should be perfectly capable for almost any application at 8mm.
Correct (I also meant to type the same thing!). So, say vs. a 12mm f/3.5, that means half a stop "faster", or in other words, "equivalent" to a 12mm 2.8 or so. Plus the fact that in a wider FOV (if that's the goal) motion blur is less noticeable.
 
I know you stated a prime, but if you're using it for real estate, and if the flexibility of a zoom is an option, then the new Tamron 11-20mm f2.8 at 335 grams may be worth considering as well. It's lighter and slightly smaller than Fuji's 10-24mm f4. It doesn't have built-in stabilization, but if you're using a gimbal then lack of lens-IS isn't a factor.
Thanks for the suggestion. If it was a bit smaller it would be a no brainer. It is VERY close in size to the Fuji 10-24.
 
"Compact" and "fast" are mutually exclusive.
Is it though?
Yes.

The norm is as follows:

f/2.8 is considered fast for zooms. Even so, such zooms are not compact, even for APSC, where filter sizes are around 77mm for wide zooms like the 16-55. For ultra wide zooms, take a look at the 8-16mm from Fuji as an example. For FF, wide angle zooms normally have a filter of 82mm. Only in m43 systems one can consider f/2.8 zooms as truly compact, but that is because he sensor size is much smaller. Going back to FF, Canon has a 28-70mm f/2.0 zoom lens, look at the size of it. And that is a standard lens, not wide angle zoom.

For primes, f/2.8 is not considered as fast. For that, you need to go to f/2.0 and faster.

You wrote in another reply that f/2.8 is fast enough for you; if that is the case, you should consider the new Fuji 8mm prime lens; after all, the difference between f/2.8 and f/3.5 is negligible.
I say they are not mutually exclusive because we currently have the Samyang 12mm f2 for Fuji. Sony has their 11mm 1.8. Both VERY compact lenses. I think Canon have a few as well.

8mm I feel is a different beast. 12mm ff equivalent look is not for everyone. I have worked with ultra wide angle lenses for a long time and to my eyes anything wider then 15-16mm is not my cup of tea.

I posted the question hoping there are other options for Fuji besides the Samyang 12mm f2. The Zeiss 12mm is definitely a consideration.
 
Hi,

Ultra-wide, fast and compact.... three adjectives very difficult to observe at the same time.

There's a big difference between 8mm and 12/13/14mm. The 8mm is as wide as it gets in Fuji and it's f3.5. Go to 9mm or 10mm and you're looking at f2.8 at best. The rumored Y11/1.8 is marketese for f2. The Samyang 12/2 is only 1mm longer, fast for the FL and reasonably compact. The Viltrox 13/1.4 was a ground breaker for 13mm and f1.4, but large.

Exactly how wide and how fast are you after? And how important is half a stop to get from say f3.5 to f2.8? Whats the application?

Regards, Rod
I'm looking for a 16-19mm FF equivalent for travel and real estate video work on a light gimbal. 2.8 would be fine.
Does the Samyang 12/2 not meet your requirements?
 
Does the Samyang 12/2 not meet your requirements?
Yes it does. I just wanted to know what other options were out there. That's all.
 
Does the Samyang 12/2 not meet your requirements?
Yes it does. I just wanted to know what other options were out there. That's all.
The Zeiss 12mm f/2.8. Despite its smaller aperture it's actually larger in size and weight, and many reviews have found the Samyang to be actually better optically. It does have a nicer build quality though.
 

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