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... how many 950/990/995 cameras are still in use ? Many ! Does any other manufacturer have anything ealse in the digital arena to show to ? No.

Is it more expensive to buy Nikon ? No. You won't be able to buy a camera for a year, because there will be none, heck, there won't even be the temptation of a new one.

This is going to be my new signature ;

Nikon rep; "Who do you think we are, Canon or somthing. We get it right the first time".

johanG.
 
Byron, you had another post in here recently that quoted from comments made by Joe Farace in Shutterbug about how Nikon had lost the camera wars. I already thought Farace was slightly off the wall due to some of his comments in other articles he has written in Shutterbug. Now I think both of you are about as reliable as the article that reported something to the effect that Nikon was discontinuing some and subcontracting the rest of their film cameras out of Japan. A little bit of thought would tell you that Nikon has been building cameras in other countries all along. Tell us something new, interesting, accurate and meaningful.
BYRON_PRINZMETAL said:
It is an established fact that the market share leaders are usually
the most profitable, not always, but usually. Nikon was a market
share leader in film slr's and was highly profitable.

It now appears that they are losing market share and their parent
company is having financial problems.

So enjoy your quality will it lasts, because unless Nikon turns
things around you won't have many new digital cameras to use the
wonderful glass you purchased in the past.

L&K,

A troll

PS before you respond, the numbers quoted are not coming from a
canon freak, but a respected marketing research company. Also
Shutterbug, a most respected professional camera magazine has
reached about the same conclusion in their last editorial...Canon
has won the dsrl war. Don't shoot the messenger, better write
Nikon and *****.
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Ben
 
BYRON_PRINZMETAL said:
PS before you respond, the numbers quoted are not coming from a
canon freak, but a respected marketing research company. Also
Shutterbug, a most respected professional camera magazine has
reached about the same conclusion in their last editorial...Canon
has won the dsrl war. Don't shoot the messenger, better write
Nikon and *****.
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Dear Nikon,

Please accept my sincere condolences for having lost the "digital war" to that copier company down the street. If only you'd had the forsight to drop a downscaled knockoff of your D100 without proper testing onto an unsuspecting market in time to cash in on some extra holiday sales, you'd still be around today. What were you thinking?? It's not your customers that matter but the opinions of marketing agencies, columnists and trolls from the DPReview Canon forum.
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tyoung said:
BYRON_PRINZMETAL said:
PS before you respond, the numbers quoted are not coming from a
canon freak, but a respected marketing research company. Also
Shutterbug, a most respected professional camera magazine has
reached about the same conclusion in their last editorial...Canon
has won the dsrl war. Don't shoot the messenger, better write
Nikon and *****.
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Dear Nikon,

Please accept my sincere condolences for having lost the "digital
war" to that copier company down the street. If only you'd had
the forsight to drop a downscaled knockoff of your D100 without
proper testing onto an unsuspecting market in time to cash in on
some extra holiday sales, you'd still be around today. What were
you thinking?? It's not your customers that matter but the
opinions of marketing agencies, columnists and trolls from the
DPReview Canon forum.
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Tom Young FCAS member
http://www.pbase.com/tyoung/
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Harris
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PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter
http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
Mr. Muro said:
Yep, there sure is a reason. While I have been a long time Nikon
suporter, I have recently been at least partially considering
switching to Canon. I know, my original post did sound rather
trollish and I'm not normally one to try to push anyone's buttons,
but I am frustrated that I have collected so many good Nikon lenses
over the years but have no option for an inexpensive D SLR to use
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Are you aware Nikon has registered "D75" as a product name or are you just another Canon troll?

Phil
 
Mr. Muro said:
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
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Harris
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PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter
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I'm not sure that is a good analogy. Rolls may offer more luxery, but it is not obvious that it is a better engineered car than a toyota. And there are certainly faster, better handling cars for much cheaper.
mike said:
Are you certain that sales numbers are indicative of quality?

How many Rolls Royces are sold per year compared to oh say Toyotas?
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before the name becomes a camera? Any idea of price?
Phil Youngblood said:
Mr. Muro said:
Yep, there sure is a reason. While I have been a long time Nikon
suporter, I have recently been at least partially considering
switching to Canon. I know, my original post did sound rather
trollish and I'm not normally one to try to push anyone's buttons,
but I am frustrated that I have collected so many good Nikon lenses
over the years but have no option for an inexpensive D SLR to use
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Are you aware Nikon has registered "D75" as a product name or are
you just another Canon troll?

Phil
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Who cares about these numbers, Porsche sells far less cars than ford or honda.
Does that make the Porsche less a car?
Nikon makes quality not volume.

IF, you are really worried about the resale value of your nikon, rather than how you will use it next. You might want to think about another hobby.

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Michael,
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I have to laugh at the won the war line. This would imply that Canon is the only winner, and that Nikon (and others) has ceased to exist. Not only has Canon NOT won the war, they still have quite a battle ahead of them. Yes they have more camera models, and some good ones at that, but that doesn't mean much other then they have fired more shots in the battle. It doesn't mean they have won the war. Phrases like that are just so much marketing hype to impress the uninitiated.

Nikon is still a competitor, and I look forward to whatever they bring out next. BTW, Canon has only had their inexpensive DSLR out for a short time. Hardly long enough to worry about in competitive time frames. I can wait a little while longer to see what Nikon does.

Besides, for now I have to concern myself with more weighty items such as should I get the teleconverter or the battery pack for my old and obsolete Nikon 5700? After all, I have had it for over a year now. It is such an antique.

I like cameras, all cameras. Nikons, Canons, Sonys, Minoltas, Hassleblads, Leicas, Toyo, and even Panasonics. But Canon has not won the war, and Nikon has not lost it. I keep getting the feeling that something special is going to come out from Nikon. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. The battle still rages.....
BYRON_PRINZMETAL said:
PS before you respond, the numbers quoted are not coming from a
canon freak, but a respected marketing research company. Also
Shutterbug, a most respected professional camera magazine has
reached about the same conclusion in their last editorial...Canon
has won the dsrl war. Don't shoot the messenger, better write
Nikon and *****.
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David
 
WardWard said:
WardWard said:
Are you certain that sales numbers are indicative of quality?
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They are indicative of the amount of money that is available for
future research and develpment.
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It depends. Larger profit is not allways a larger R&D budget. Shareholders may decide to divide it in dividends. It is especially true with companies, where significant stock is owned by pension funds. Every pension fund cares about its profitability on yearly base.

Rumpis :o)
 
If Nikon becomes the Porsche of cameras (like Leica?) then most of us won't be able to afford one.

It would benefit Nikon fans (at the prosumer/pro level) very much if Nikon could sell more cameras and become more profitable. There is often a synergy that benefits everyone when a manufacturer produces both low-end and high-end models. When certain parts and technologies (especially software) can be shared by many models, then economies of scale allow the higher end models to be produced and sold at a lower price. The HIGH cost of state-of-the-art research that goes into producing the pro equipment can be spread out when the technology filters down to the lower priced models.

These days making a good camera involves much more than good glass and mechanicals. It's CCD/CMOS sensors, electronics, software and the cost of keep up with all that is very high. Without a large sales volume to finance R&D expenditures, Nikon may fall further and further behind in the technology race that can only become only more intense.
 
Don't know -- wish I did. Nikon is typically tight-lipped about these kinds of things. The registration was made not too long after the release of the 300D so is assumed around here it is to compete with that level of camera.

Phil
Mr. Muro said:
Phil Youngblood said:
Mr. Muro said:
Yep, there sure is a reason. While I have been a long time Nikon
suporter, I have recently been at least partially considering
switching to Canon. I know, my original post did sound rather
trollish and I'm not normally one to try to push anyone's buttons,
but I am frustrated that I have collected so many good Nikon lenses
over the years but have no option for an inexpensive D SLR to use
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Are you aware Nikon has registered "D75" as a product name or are
you just another Canon troll?

Phil
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spiny said:
If Nikon becomes the Porsche of cameras (like Leica?) then most of
us won't be able to afford one.

It would benefit Nikon fans (at the prosumer/pro level) very much
if Nikon could sell more cameras and become more profitable. There
is often a synergy that benefits everyone when a manufacturer
produces both low-end and high-end models. When certain parts and
technologies (especially software) can be shared by many models,
then economies of scale allow the higher end models to be produced
and sold at a lower price. The HIGH cost of state-of-the-art
research that goes into producing the pro equipment can be spread
out when the technology filters down to the lower priced models.

These days making a good camera involves much more than good glass
and mechanicals. It's CCD/CMOS sensors, electronics, software and
the cost of keep up with all that is very high. Without a large
sales volume to finance R&D expenditures, Nikon may fall further
and further behind in the technology race that can only become only
more intense.
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BYRON_PRINZMETAL said:
spiny said:
If Nikon becomes the Porsche of cameras (like Leica?) then most of
us won't be able to afford one.

It would benefit Nikon fans (at the prosumer/pro level) very much
if Nikon could sell more cameras and become more profitable. There
is often a synergy that benefits everyone when a manufacturer
produces both low-end and high-end models. When certain parts and
technologies (especially software) can be shared by many models,
then economies of scale allow the higher end models to be produced
and sold at a lower price. The HIGH cost of state-of-the-art
research that goes into producing the pro equipment can be spread
out when the technology filters down to the lower priced models.

These days making a good camera involves much more than good glass
and mechanicals. It's CCD/CMOS sensors, electronics, software and
the cost of keep up with all that is very high. Without a large
sales volume to finance R&D expenditures, Nikon may fall further
and further behind in the technology race that can only become only
more intense.
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Harris
Cp5700, N6006
PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter
http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
Don't care about the same stuff that Nikon buyers do...

Unfortunately, there are vastly more people in the world who are willing to buy style wrapped around fancy meaningless sales gibberish, than people who care about true quality.

I've watched a few companies wallow in mediocrity because people got into upper management with the same bottom line based wrong thinking that you are talking about here.

HP used to make great test equipment and calculators. They established a world wide reputation based on that.. I'm sure their powerfull presence in a lot of different markets was based on that reputation. Now they make mediocre stuff, poorly supported, and are loosing the reputation quickly, so they buy up other companies who have a good reputation.

I see signs of IBM going the same route.

Most of us don't give enough thought to long lasting quality.. So companies don't bother building it.. We are using up the worlds resources by filling our landfills with badly built stuff. (sorry about the rant)

Like many people, until recently I have not been able to afford Nikon. But I believe and have always believed Nikon have a reputation based on true quality. I've always wanted a Nikon camera. I do see signs of marketing folks messing about with that reputation (by disabling features in firmware for prosumer cameras for instance, trying to nudge buyers up to DSLRs) It seems to be "necessary" in this greed driven world of ours to do more than just build great stuff.

As long as the bills get paid, why does Nikon need to be in the top 5 selling cameras? What they need to be in is the Top 5 WANTED cameras...

Why is everyone in the world trying to get rich?.. Isn't it enough to live one's life with a reputation for doing or making good things?

As long as one has enough money to buy a Nikon camera anyways... =)

Al..
Mr. Muro said:
It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?
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It's amazing how much time is wasted on this debate. I have a suggestion - why doesn't everybody go out and take some really nice pictures with the camera of THEIR choice and let this thread die in peace.
Carl
Mr. Muro said:
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
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