Why is Nikon not even in the top 5?

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"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004, although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any thoughts?

:-(
 
This was scaled on volume not sales value I assume. 53million cameras was quoted and NOT sales totals.

Now, nikon has never been big in P&S film cameras. Coolpix's sell reasonably but probably nowhere near as many as canon and sony. It probably has more to do with market niches than anythign else. Anyway I would not expect nikon to leave ANY SLR arena ANYTIME soon (read not in the next 50 years ;) ) So stop rushing off with wild assumptions and keep enjoying those cameras .:P
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
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-marek

http://www.pbase.com/mkrol/
http://www.usefilm.com/browse.php?mode=port&data=14298
 
your posting here as your only other posts are at Canon forum? Why ask us this, and quote ridiculous numbers? Seems trollish. Perhaps your canon forum is a better place for this, that way you can all p*ss all over Nikon, and we dont even have to ignore you.
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
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Harris
Cp5700, N6006
PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter
http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
hey doctor
that kind of reply from you lets me think that your are quite touchy.

Anyway for me the answer is very easy: look how many models the "others" release over 12 months and look Nikon.
Pure marketing matters
I was told last week that releasing many models in not Nikon policy.
Ok but the market rules.....
enjoy your cameras without offending who doesn't have your same ideas.
Have fun
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
--
Harris
Cp5700, N6006
PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter
http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?
Perhaps in another year, Gateway or Dell will have trumped the whole deck in terms of sales. It just depends on which is most important to you - having the "market leader" hanging from your neck, or capturing quality images.

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Tom Young FCAS member
http://www.pbase.com/tyoung/
 
Tom - you are right on target,

like all of your posts:
Quality NOTquantity!!

Karl
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?
Perhaps in another year, Gateway or Dell will have trumped the
whole deck in terms of sales. It just depends on which is most
important to you - having the "market leader" hanging from your
neck, or capturing quality images.

--
Tom Young FCAS member
http://www.pbase.com/tyoung/
 
The top 5 are much bigger companies with deeper pockets for R&D. Nikon will always be more methodical and have fewer models released based on that fact. Nikon's always had a better "feel" than most of the others. My 990 and 4500 had metal bodies when most other Top 5 had cheap plastic bodies. Image quality is always the most important factor anyhow, not quantity of cameras sold by any particular manufacturer.
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
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Best Regards,
Dino
 
These "ridiculous numbers" that you speak of are listed on the front page of DPReview.com. They are real numbers, your opinion does not change the numbers. Please inform youself before you make idiotic posts.
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
--
Harris
Cp5700, N6006
PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter
http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
Absolutely right. It is the mass market vs. high quality market question.

Good example is wines: What do you buy when you want a really good wine? Do you get the wine that sells in highest volumes or do you buy the higher quality wine that is sold in smaller volumes.

Kaj
like all of your posts:
Quality NOTquantity!!

Karl
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?
Perhaps in another year, Gateway or Dell will have trumped the
whole deck in terms of sales. It just depends on which is most
important to you - having the "market leader" hanging from your
neck, or capturing quality images.

--
Tom Young FCAS member
http://www.pbase.com/tyoung/
--
Kaj E
 
Are you certain that sales numbers are indicative of quality?

How many Rolls Royces are sold per year compared to oh say Toyotas?
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
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http://www.pbase.com/mikefam/
 
I didn't even look to see how many cameras Nikon sold per year when I was shopoping for my camera. I chose it based on it's performance and how well it suits my needs.
How many Rolls Royces are sold per year compared to oh say Toyotas?
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
--
http://www.pbase.com/mikefam/
--
http://www.pbase.com/mikefam/
 
Yep, there sure is a reason. While I have been a long time Nikon suporter, I have recently been at least partially considering switching to Canon. I know, my original post did sound rather trollish and I'm not normally one to try to push anyone's buttons, but I am frustrated that I have collected so many good Nikon lenses over the years but have no option for an inexpensive D SLR to use them with. Being a part time teacher, I can't really afford to shell out $1,500 for a new D100. I don’t really care if it’s marketing or what ever reason, the fact is that Canon has an inexpensive SLR and Nikon doesn’t and that’s frustrating. And don’t even get me started on the whole thing about my wonderful Nikon 20mm 2.8 lens going to become a 30mm lens when I do get a D SLR.

Thanks,
Ken
your posting here as your only other posts are at Canon forum? Why
ask us this, and quote ridiculous numbers? Seems trollish. Perhaps
your canon forum is a better place for this, that way you can all
p*ss all over Nikon, and we dont even have to ignore you.
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
--
Harris
Cp5700, N6006
PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter
http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
Kaj -

good analogy -

Beaujolais gives me heartburn!

Karl
Good example is wines: What do you buy when you want a really good
wine? Do you get the wine that sells in highest volumes or do you
buy the higher quality wine that is sold in smaller volumes.

Kaj
like all of your posts:
Quality NOTquantity!!

Karl
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?
Perhaps in another year, Gateway or Dell will have trumped the
whole deck in terms of sales. It just depends on which is most
important to you - having the "market leader" hanging from your
neck, or capturing quality images.

--
Tom Young FCAS member
http://www.pbase.com/tyoung/
--
Kaj E
 
Not Rolls -

give me a Maybach! ...it arrived on Wallstreet via QE2.

Karl
How many Rolls Royces are sold per year compared to oh say Toyotas?
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
--
http://www.pbase.com/mikefam/
 
It is an established fact that the market share leaders are usually the most profitable, not always, but usually. Nikon was a market share leader in film slr's and was highly profitable.

It now appears that they are losing market share and their parent company is having financial problems.

So enjoy your quality will it lasts, because unless Nikon turns things around you won't have many new digital cameras to use the wonderful glass you purchased in the past.

L&K,

A troll

PS before you respond, the numbers quoted are not coming from a canon freak, but a respected marketing research company. Also Shutterbug, a most respected professional camera magazine has reached about the same conclusion in their last editorial...Canon has won the dsrl war. Don't shoot the messenger, better write Nikon and *****.
 
And DPReview.com's source was:

http://www.infotrends-rgi.com/home/Press/itPress/2003/11.19.03.html
"The top five worldwide market leaders in 2003 are expected to be
Canon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Kodak. The combined worldwide unit
market share of these companies is currently almost 75%. These
companies are expected to remain in the top five through 2004,
although their individual positions may change."

It bothers me that Canon is releasing their stuff ahead of schedule
while Nikon is delaying theirs. Will the pendulum swing back around
soon, or do you think I should sell my Nikon SLR stuff while I can
still get a decent price for it? Just kidding, sort of. Any
thoughts?

:-(
--
Harris
Cp5700, N6006
PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter
http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
Being a Mac user I've heard this more than once. Apple has been a company that's been declared dead or dying more times than Winston Churchill (I think it was him who said something about "the rumours about my death has been highly exaggerated").

Nikon might not come out with new models every 3rd month or whatever these other companies releases new models. They don't flood the market like the others. Same with Apple. Nikon is not the cheapest cameras but they are sturdy, has a good design and is reliable. Same with Apple.

To me it's clearly a reason to stay with Nikon, they've put some thought behind their camera lines. Instead of confusing the market with a flood of different models, they're concentrating on a few. This also means that the value of your Nikon camera is higher if you want to sell it second hand (same with Apple).

I tried to look for used Coolpix 5700's earlier and couldn't find any. One guy was selling his, but he took back his offer, he liked the camera so much he wanted to keep it.

That tells more about Nikon than top selling numbers.

Petra
 
OK, so Canon won, and everybody is happy. The big cahoona is laid, and I'm on the couch nipping off with all my Nikon glass on the table in mexican dip.

Ask yourself what development, or where, growth has come in the (!) photographic field. Is it all of a sudden 100.000 new pro-shooters in your town ?

I belive pictures is all about some form of magic. A picture of your cat might be a magical one, or it might not. This magic conception of photography isn't somthing that many people care about. Frankly, i'd say roughly 75% of all new 300D owners, bought their camera for documentation or entertainment, -and that's fine, no problem.

The point is, for me, that I don't need all this new stuff all the time, I really can't see the need for it. I own a film-slr, and it does what I ask, and now I own a digital, and of it I don't ask the same as from the film-slr. If you, or shutterbug magazine, or somebody ealse, can point out what need it is I will be having before the end of 2004, that will make me jump to Canon, please do.

Eventually, people will loose intrest in digital photography, and I'd say they already lost intrest in the old fashioned photography. The 300D owners will be hopping around with a mobile with the same resolution in 2007 anyway, probably from Nokia or some other crazy company (i bet it's gonna have a Sony CCD, maybe the, then, acient ICX456).

Nikon has NEVER been about beeing the best selling camera brand, the brand that satisfies you when you need it, it has concistenly been about photography, not about gizmos, like the stinkin Canon line of puny cameras (think about it, why does the A70, a highly praised digital camera, have a mirror around the lcd, -it's all about style).

I bought my digital today, and i could have bought a sony or an olympus or some other brand, and it would have been better than the 5400 i got today, and it would have been cheaper. But I, strangely, support this really dumb company who isn't listening to all the computer-gizmo people out there with their 300D's and 25-400 lenses.

Canon might also be a company that exsists on basis of creating good photography, but their new owners (read; users) are NOT people who care to continue, and develop what has happened within photography as long as it has exsisted. Of course there are exceptions, all I am saying is that I'm glad that there are the not-so-perfect and stupid companies out there.

Another aspect of this is time. Who knows how long it is since the D1 was released. I still know people who use it, -they say it was just released. It's still doing what it was supposed to do. Both the professionals I know, and all other Nikon owners, aren't really intrested in buying a new camera every year, they are more into doing photography.

One good example where this is going, is the upcomming review of the D2H by Phil Askey. Phil is a prior computer-programmer, and in no position to say anything about actually working with the D2H, except for how mutch resolution it has, and how mutch noise it has, and how it will do in the market. It will fail, and it will do so with pride. And all the geeks will read about it, and then there will be some stupid people buying it anyway, because it is a leap forward for them, and continues some thing they've already invested a lot of time in, learning a system, and lenses, and other gear, to know. In stead of working out the new camera and the new lenses, they still probably bring out a couple of MF lenses now and then, and ... god they are stupid the whole bunch of them.

In basic, whenever someone asks Nikon for a new camera model, they tell the person; why are you asking, stupid, go out and play, improve on yourself before asking us for help.

Camera's have never been able to take pictures anyway.

johanG.
 

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