Lets stop the arguments and probe what is said...

Daniella68313 · Nov 19, 2003

we bought the blower after this problem started..no drop or no knocking either...we treated that camera with very good care...but used it a lot. 4000 pics in one month.

Wild-Mike said:
Did you use the air blower inside the camera body prior to the
shutter problem with your 300D ? If so, did you use it
aggressively or blast the air forcefully?

Just wondering if that may have caused a problem so that I can
avoid it with my camera.

Thanks,
Mike

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Doug Walker · Nov 19, 2003

The 300D is like most other DSLRs like the D30 or 10D (I own both) or even film SLRs like the Elan 7e (using slide film). Higher end (non Point and Shoot) camera bodies provide you with more exacting functions that, in the long run, provide you much more flexibility in capturing the exact image you want. The drawback is a steeper learning curve. If you know something about photography you're miles ahead. If you don't I'd recommend getting a few good books on photography basics. Armed with this info, the 300D is a great tool. It wont' and can't do the thinking for you. It will, however, provide you much more information about the shot you're about to take than any point and shoot currently available.

Daniella said:
but what's your point? does that excuse the lack of proper meetering?

what If I want to use the AUTO mode? will it be my fault if it fails?

Daniella68313 said:

Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'

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Daniella68313 · Nov 19, 2003

Doug Walker said:
The 300D is like most other DSLRs like the D30 or 10D (I own both)
or even film SLRs like the Elan 7e (using slide film). Higher end
(non Point and Shoot) camera bodies provide you with more exacting
functions that, in the long run, provide you much more flexibility
in capturing the exact image you want. The drawback is a steeper
learning curve. If you know something about photography you're
miles ahead. If you don't I'd recommend getting a few good books on
photography basics. Armed with this info, the 300D is a great tool.
It wont' and can't do the thinking for you. It will, however,
provide you much more information about the shot you're about to
take than any point and shoot currently available.

no it provide actualy less information than a point and shoot. with the EVF you can see the shot precisely before you actualy take it.

I am not sure you knwo what you're talking about here. sorry.

Doug Walker said:
Daniella said:

but what's your point? does that excuse the lack of proper meetering?

what If I want to use the AUTO mode? will it be my fault if it fails?

Doug Walker said:

Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'

Click to expand...

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Wm. Bates · Nov 19, 2003

Daniella said:
I was not really there to learn about the histogram. I was also

No anyone that had a clue would have learned about the histogram before they got there.

Daniella68313 said:
very FAR from expecting that I would get such results...

Under those conditions you should have. It was very very predictable. A quick glance at the histogram would have shown you the problem. Dial in the needed exposure bias and it would be fixed.

Daniella68313 said:
but what's your point? does that excuse the lack of proper meetering?

The problem wasn't the metering in the camera. It was the lack of thought, preperation and understanding on your part.

If you need to blame the camera when your the one that screwed up go ahead. That is the easy way. Or you could read a little and learn. Or is that to much work?

And if all else fails what ever happened to bracketing. In my film days that was just part of the process. Now I just take a quick glance at the histogram and check to see the exposure was correct. And in really high contrast more stops of light type situations bracketing is what I do now.
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Daniella68313 · Nov 19, 2003

this is all very nice..except not practical when you want to capture a special moment.

Doug Walker said:
In your case, where you are in shade shooting into an area that is
in sun, you'd want to use the histogram to nail the exposure (hint:
use the histogram) and then set the 300D to manual mode and dial in
that aperture and shutter. This is done all the time in situations
were the lighting is relatively constant. I just shot a stage show
today and applied that very concept. Ths first few shots were test
shots to determine exposure and the remainder of almost 200 shots
were shot in manual.

ok this was a cloudy day...exposure was changing constantly. clouds, sun, clouds, partial clouds..sun...

It is not the 300D per se that is giving you

Doug Walker said:
trouble with correct exposure as almost all pro type slr bodies
will do the same in high contrast situations.

well I already said that this is a very difficult situation..but with real evaluative mode you can do this easily! Or explain to me how my cheap point and shoot can expose this perfectly?

there is also a dynamic range issue here because I was shooting at .jpg in parameter 1..but I am not really talking about the blown out highlights here..I am more refering to general overexposure and underexposure problem because the meetering mode is too weighted when you use central focusing point?

If you read my original message..I said that the first photo was the best that I got...all other were WAY WAY overexposed or WAY WAY underexposed like the second photo.

I don't beleive that is normal and that a PRO camera would have got such results.

Wm. Bates · Nov 19, 2003

Daniella said:
Wm. Bates said:

Seems that Canon's beginner DSLR is a little over your head.

Click to expand...

do you have any brain in there??? hello!!!????

however..we can surely compare our photos if you want to judge my
photography skills...

here is my gallery: http://www.pbase.com/zylen

where is yours????????????????????

Right here.
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill

By the way it was in Pbase most popular for all last week. Oh and I don't go to zoos to take my wildlife photos.
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Doug Walker · Nov 19, 2003

Yeah, I know what I'm talking about. You aren't really going to tell me that a point and shot is better than a Canon D30,D60, 10D,1D,1Ds or Nikon D100, D1x, etc are you? Your attitude is typical of someone coming from a point and shoot and not knowing how to use the newer, more complicated and capable tool in the 300D. I've been shooting SLR type cameras for over 28 yrs., digital for 4 years and DSLRs for two years. Just because a camera has an EVF does not mean it is more capable. In fact, EVF type cameras can't show you many things such as proper DOF. It is well accepted by advanced amatuers and pros that that a true SLR viewfinder is preferred over ANY live preview type camera currently availble.

Seems you are the one who needs help and doesn't understand the 300D or how to use it. I'm simply trying to help you. It's obvious you need a short course in photography. The 300D is not going to do your thinking for you. If that does not suit you, you should return it and go back to point and shoot with a puny EVF.

Your post is the reason many, more knowledgable users, stay away from this forum.

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Daniella68313 · Nov 19, 2003

Wm. Bates said:
The problem wasn't the metering in the camera. It was the lack of
thought, preperation and understanding on your part.

well that's your opinioin..that is not mine. this is what I beleive:

the camera meetering is WAY too weighted when you use the central focusing mode. got it?? is that too hard to understand?

I beleive at this point only an image will five you the clue..

http://www.pbase.com/sandman3/rebel_tests

Richard300 · Nov 19, 2003

Hi

Just wanted to say that I truly enjoyed your gallery. Great shots and composition. I don't particularly enjoy zoos myself. I am looking forward to our three week hiking trip to Costa RIca in the New Year. I am sure my DRebel (professional, non-professional, P&S - I don't care what class it fits in!!) will deliver the goods.

RIchard

Daniella68313 · Nov 19, 2003

I simply said that

Doug Walker said:
Yeah, I know what I'm talking about. You aren't really going to
tell me that a point and shot is better than a Canon D30,D60,
10D,1D,1Ds or Nikon D100, D1x, etc are you?

hello??? is that what I said? no...read please before you jump on your horse..

Your attitude is

Doug Walker said:
typical of someone coming from a point and shoot and not knowing
how to use the newer, more complicated and capable tool in the
300D. I've been shooting SLR type cameras for over 28 yrs., digital
for 4 years and DSLRs for two years. Just because a camera has an
EVF does not mean it is more capable.

hello again? did I said anything like that???

read my post again and we'll talk later when you read correctly.

In fact, EVF type cameras

Doug Walker said:
can't show you many things such as proper DOF. It is well accepted
by advanced amatuers and pros that that a true SLR viewfinder is
preferred over ANY live preview type camera currently availble.
Seems you are the one who needs help and doesn't understand the
300D or how to use it. I'm simply trying to help you. It's obvious
you need a short course in photography. The 300D is not going to do
your thinking for you. If that does not suit you, you should return
it and go back to point and shoot with a puny EVF.
Your post is the reason many, more knowledgable users, stay away
from this forum.

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Wm. Bates · Nov 19, 2003

no she's gonna say she just meant to say that the reb isn't up to pro standards and I kind of agree with that. But the reason of the metering problem was pretty much her own fault and avoidable. Hopefully she'll take what a few have said and go make better photos.

Doug Walker said:
Yeah, I know what I'm talking about. You aren't really going to
tell me that a point and shot is better than a Canon D30,D60,
10D,1D,1Ds or Nikon D100, D1x, etc are you? Your attitude is
typical of someone coming from a point and shoot and not knowing
how to use the newer, more complicated and capable tool in the
300D. I've been shooting SLR type cameras for over 28 yrs., digital
for 4 years and DSLRs for two years. Just because a camera has an
EVF does not mean it is more capable. In fact, EVF type cameras
can't show you many things such as proper DOF. It is well accepted
by advanced amatuers and pros that that a true SLR viewfinder is
preferred over ANY live preview type camera currently availble.
Seems you are the one who needs help and doesn't understand the
300D or how to use it. I'm simply trying to help you. It's obvious
you need a short course in photography. The 300D is not going to do
your thinking for you. If that does not suit you, you should return
it and go back to point and shoot with a puny EVF.
Your post is the reason many, more knowledgable users, stay away
from this forum.

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Doug Walker · Nov 19, 2003

Learn how to use it or return it. I've captured many a special moment with my 10D. You can do the same with the the 300D. Do a search on Travis. Travis bought a 300D a few months ago and has posted many "special moments" type photos of his family that are simply superb. If he can do it so can you.

If all you want is a camera that you push the button and it magically produces magazine cover quality photos automatically without input from you then no DSLR will suit you.

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Daniella68313 · Nov 19, 2003

I meant to say :

I am not sure I know wht you're talking about here, sorry.

that was a typing error LOL!

sorry

Daniella said:
Daniella68313 said:

Daniella said:

but what's your point? does that excuse the lack of proper meetering?

what If I want to use the AUTO mode? will it be my fault if it fails?

Daniella68313 said:

Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'

Click to expand...

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Wm. Bates · Nov 19, 2003

for the compliment. It is getting cold and snowy here Costa Rica sounds fun can I go?

Richard300 said:
Hi
Just wanted to say that I truly enjoyed your gallery. Great shots
and composition. I don't particularly enjoy zoos myself. I am
looking forward to our three week hiking trip to Costa RIca in the
New Year. I am sure my DRebel (professional, non-professional, P&S

I don't care what class it fits in!!) will deliver the goods.

RIchard

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Doug Walker · Nov 19, 2003

Daniella wrote:
is that too hard to understand?

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Daniella68313 · Nov 19, 2003

yes I will take a lot of advises taht you told me..very useful in the future.. I did saw your gallery and you have awesome photos...you are definitly a very good photographer and you have the knowledge to give anyone advises...but how does it have to do with my first message?

this was my point:

The 300d is not a PRO tool because it does not have control over the meeterint mode and does nto have control over the focusing mode.

that's all. that's it.

I know my lemura photo could have been better with the 300d...but then you must not rely on the meetering at all! you must rely on trial and error..test shots before shooting and histogram. The meetering itself it not reliable.

it is not predictable. it is too weighted to the focusing point.

Now a question for you...do you own the 300d? all your photos were taken with the 10D that I coudl see.

Wm. Bates said:
Doug Walker said:

Yeah, I know what I'm talking about. You aren't really going to
tell me that a point and shot is better than a Canon D30,D60,
10D,1D,1Ds or Nikon D100, D1x, etc are you? Your attitude is
typical of someone coming from a point and shoot and not knowing
how to use the newer, more complicated and capable tool in the
300D. I've been shooting SLR type cameras for over 28 yrs., digital
for 4 years and DSLRs for two years. Just because a camera has an
EVF does not mean it is more capable. In fact, EVF type cameras
can't show you many things such as proper DOF. It is well accepted
by advanced amatuers and pros that that a true SLR viewfinder is
preferred over ANY live preview type camera currently availble.
Seems you are the one who needs help and doesn't understand the
300D or how to use it. I'm simply trying to help you. It's obvious
you need a short course in photography. The 300D is not going to do
your thinking for you. If that does not suit you, you should return
it and go back to point and shoot with a puny EVF.
Your post is the reason many, more knowledgable users, stay away
from this forum.

--
Doug Walker
Check my profile for equipment list.

Click to expand...

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Daniella68313 · Nov 19, 2003

yes I saw it...outstanding and your more than qualified.

awesome work! really.

but I stil dont, accept your insults. as if there is no problem with teh 300d..but there is.

Wm. Bates said:
Daniella said:

Wm. Bates said:

Seems that Canon's beginner DSLR is a little over your head.

Click to expand...

do you have any brain in there??? hello!!!????

however..we can surely compare our photos if you want to judge my
photography skills...

here is my gallery: http://www.pbase.com/zylen

where is yours????????????????????

Click to expand...

Right here.
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
By the way it was in Pbase most popular for all last week. Oh and I
don't go to zoos to take my wildlife photos.
--
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'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'

--
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Wm. Bates · Nov 19, 2003

Daniella said:
Daniella68313 said:

The problem wasn't the metering in the camera. It was the lack of
thought, preperation and understanding on your part.

Click to expand...

well that's your opinioin..that is not mine. this is what I beleive:

the camera meetering is WAY too weighted when you use the central
focusing mode. got it?? is that too hard to understand?

No I understand that is your opinioin. I don't agree but that is ok. And even in the examples images in the link below each and every exposure would show in the histogram and could be corrected with a slight bias adjustment. What is so hard to understand about that. You can set the histogram to show in the insant review. Quick glance and adjust. This isn't rocket science...well knowing what is inside these cameras maybe it is.

Daniella68313 said:
I beleive at this point only an image will five you the clue..

http://www.pbase.com/sandman3/rebel_tests

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Daniella68313 · Nov 19, 2003

yes braketing is useful for this. I should have used it but I was there for testing the APO lens..I was not really concerned about the exposure...only the mm and F number.

I was relying entirely on the camera meetering for all these shots!

Chillihead said:
Wm. Bates said:

Daniella said:

but they all came out either overexposed or underexposed with the
300d...all 76 of them!

in fact..this one was my best:

http://www.pbase.com/image/23374967

and mostly very overexposed or underexposed like this one,
depending if I was focusing on the light or dark area....yes
focusing.

http://www.pbase.com/image/23374969

I never had any problem to take those lemurs with my C700uz 300$
point and shoot and my Dimage 7.

lec_eos said:

Can anyone post samples of pictures taken with a "PRO" camera that
the 300D could not take?

By the same token, if someone has Pictures that can defeat the ones
posted please do so.

Lets demonstrate with results where the 300D stands...

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xvrbx · Nov 19, 2003

So the solution is to politely ask the lemur to hold a grey card in front of him/her for a moment, locking exposure on the grey card, then saying the lemur "drop the grey card and smile!!", and take the photo

))

Regards,
xvrbx

carl said:
carl56771 said:

stop up or down, or use a gray card.

Click to expand...

By using a gray card, do you mean holding a gray card out in front
of the camera (where it would be exposed to the same lioght as the
subject) and doing an exposure lock on it?
Carl

Lets stop the arguments and probe what is said...

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