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So I was watching a famous youtuber who was a Nikon User then first switched to Sony but nowadays uses Canon and has curly hair. This guy is worst YTuber when it comes to free marketing for Sony and Nikon. Instead of praising Nikon he is saying that Sony and Canon will copy those new features and will do a better job than Nikon. I was not clicking on his videos for the last 4 years as didn't want to give him free clicks.

Canon and Sony almost never provide new features via firmware updates and forces people to buy new camera.

There is a lot of jealousy against Nikon brand these days .:-(
 
DigitalFFUser said:
So I was watching a famous youtuber who was a Nikon User then first switched to Sony but nowadays uses Canon and has curly hair. This guy is worst YTuber when it comes to free marketing for Sony and Nikon. Instead of praising Nikon he is saying that Sony and Canon will copy those new features and will do a better job than Nikon. I was not clicking on his videos for the last 4 years as didn't want to give him free clicks.
Canon and Sony almost never provide new features via firmware updates and forces people to buy new camera.

There is a lot of jealousy against Nikon brand these days .:-(
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Frankly I'm brand agnostic. I've owned them ALL over the last 25 years. NONE were perfect. But I too have noticed over this last year in particular. Everyone seems to go out of their way to slam Nikon wherever possible. In particular ever since the release of the Z9. It rocked the other companies boat and all those with any given brand seem to be exhibiting excessive amounts of "tribalism". It's pretty pathetic really. It must hurt to have their sales figures negatively impacted I guess.
 
ProDude said:
DigitalFFUser said:
So I was watching a famous youtuber who was a Nikon User then first switched to Sony but nowadays uses Canon and has curly hair. This guy is worst YTuber when it comes to free marketing for Sony and Nikon. Instead of praising Nikon he is saying that Sony and Canon will copy those new features and will do a better job than Nikon. I was not clicking on his videos for the last 4 years as didn't want to give him free clicks.
Canon and Sony almost never provide new features via firmware updates and forces people to buy new camera.

There is a lot of jealousy against Nikon brand these days .:-(
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Frankly I'm brand agnostic. I've owned them ALL over the last 25 years. NONE were perfect. But I too have noticed over this last year in particular. Everyone seems to go out of their way to slam Nikon wherever possible. In particular ever since the release of the Z9. It rocked the other companies boat and all those with any given brand seem to be exhibiting excessive amounts of "tribalism". It's pretty pathetic really. It must hurt to have their sales figures negatively impacted I guess.
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You should have visited the Canon forums here the week Nikon released the D800. Before then, it was a given to the Canon users that Canon would not only always have a better camera than Nikon, but it would also be cheaper. When Nikon released a 36mp camera cheaper than the closest Canon, you'd think someone shot their dog by the reactions from the Canon side.
 
DigitalFFUser said:
So I was watching a famous youtuber who was a Nikon User then first switched to Sony but nowadays uses Canon and has curly hair. This guy is worst YTuber when it comes to free marketing for Sony and Nikon. Instead of praising Nikon he is saying that Sony and Canon will copy those new features and will do a better job than Nikon. I was not clicking on his videos for the last 4 years as didn't want to give him free clicks.
Canon and Sony almost never provide new features via firmware updates and forces people to buy new camera.

There is a lot of jealousy against Nikon brand these days .:-(
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This isn't new, and plenty of people even here on the nikon forums have the same reaction. Nit picking everything, blaming the camera for their issues, etc.

People just love to hate nikon.
 
I'm admittedly not a Z9 user (Z8 and Z6), but I'm all for firmware updates. I understand the simple concept that firmware and hardware aren't necessarily equally maxed out and optimized at exactly the same time in a product's life, be it upon initial release or at any point post release.

I'm all for Nikon further developing firmware to fully take advantage of a product's hardware capabilities as they're willing and able. As a user, it just means my financial investment will go that much further and my product - which I may not have the ability to upgrade at every new release - will hold up to future demands or practices that much longer and provide features and benefits I didn't even know I'd have when I made the purchase.

I say bravo, Nikon. Keep it up.
 
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ghostfox_1 said:
Nit picking everything, blaming the camera for their issues, etc.

People just love to hate nikon.
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No kidding. Like Nikon engineers that have been doing this for who knows how long, are just blundering fools. Sheesh. Time to take those complainers and take them out to the wood shed if they can't learn the proper photographic knowledge.
 
chambeshi said:
Incidentally, he's stated how he prioritized Firmware updates on his appointment:

"....after I took over product planning, we are planning to schedule firmware updates more frequently. We don’t want that kind of delay [again] between the announcement of firmware and its availability. We want to do regular scheduled firmware updates to keep the products up to date for a long time..."

https://www.dpreview.com/interviews...erview-nikon-we-are-at-a-transitional-stage/1
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Well, that is reassuring :-O

I was about to give up on the much vaunted AF-C Firmware update for my Z6ii.

It is still only 2023.

Cheers

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ProDude said:
ghostfox_1 said:
Nit picking everything, blaming the camera for their issues, etc.

People just love to hate nikon.
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No kidding. Like Nikon engineers that have been doing this for who knows how long, are just blundering fools. Sheesh. Time to take those complainers and take them out to the wood shed if they can't learn the proper photographic knowledge.
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According to some posts I've seen, telling people they should learn how to use the camera is mean and unfair. So... Yeah.
 
DigitalFFUser said:
So I was watching a famous youtuber who was a Nikon User then first switched to Sony but nowadays uses Canon and has curly hair. This guy is worst YTuber when it comes to free marketing for Sony and Nikon. Instead of praising Nikon he is saying that Sony and Canon will copy those new features and will do a better job than Nikon. I was not clicking on his videos for the last 4 years as didn't want to give him free clicks.
Canon and Sony almost never provide new features via firmware updates and forces people to buy new camera.

There is a lot of jealousy against Nikon brand these days .:-(
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I remember a lot of People cussing out another Guy with a Popular Website. I won't mention Names, but his Initials were Ken Rockwell.

Rockwell's favorite Camera was always the latest One introduced, didn't matter which Brand. He was cussed and sworn at by many on this Site.

He was laughing all the Way to the Bank, as he got more Hits anytime he upset anyone.

All I can say about him, is that he was always Polite and Cordial in any Emails that went between us, which is a lot more than some of the replies I have gotten on this Site over the Years.
 
ghostfox_1 said:
ProDude said:
ghostfox_1 said:
Nit picking everything, blaming the camera for their issues, etc.

People just love to hate nikon.
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No kidding. Like Nikon engineers that have been doing this for who knows how long, are just blundering fools. Sheesh. Time to take those complainers and take them out to the wood shed if they can't learn the proper photographic knowledge.
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According to some posts I've seen, telling people they should learn how to use the camera is mean and unfair. So... Yeah.
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Generally speaking, I think this goes both ways though. Knowing the ins/outs of a camera and what it is and isn't capable of (or rather, when to use features and when to not use them) is important. For example, I've seen on here where people will complain the tracking AF doesn't work say when it's snowing and blame the camera, when if they knew their camera a little better, they might have figured out that perhaps in snow the camera gets a little fooled and they are better off using single point AF (without face/eye tracking). That one seems to come up quite.

Now for some more obscure things, like how to set up focus shift shooting, or perhaps a question about a setting that might be fair game, as Nikon's documentation isn't always very detailed and in some cases, lacking. But learning when to use features and when not to, as an example, is a matter of just working with the camera and experimenting.

As I tell people, in general: All these features (IBIS, AF tracking, etc) are great, and they can help you, they shouldn't be a crutch for sloppy/poor technique (but as "just in case"). One should familiarize themselves with their camera so they know when to use these features, and when to turn them off and fall back on old-fashioned technique to get the results you want.

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sirhawkeye64 said:
ghostfox_1 said:
ProDude said:
ghostfox_1 said:
Nit picking everything, blaming the camera for their issues, etc.

People just love to hate nikon.
Click to expand...
No kidding. Like Nikon engineers that have been doing this for who knows how long, are just blundering fools. Sheesh. Time to take those complainers and take them out to the wood shed if they can't learn the proper photographic knowledge.
Click to expand...
According to some posts I've seen, telling people they should learn how to use the camera is mean and unfair. So... Yeah.
Click to expand...
Generally speaking, I think this goes both ways though. Knowing the ins/outs of a camera and what it is and isn't capable of (or rather, when to use features and when to not use them) is important. For example, I've seen on here where people will complain the tracking AF doesn't work say when it's snowing and blame the camera, when if they knew their camera a little better, they might have figured out that perhaps in snow the camera gets a little fooled and they are better off using single point AF (without face/eye tracking). That one seems to come up quite.

Now for some more obscure things, like how to set up focus shift shooting, or perhaps a question about a setting that might be fair game, as Nikon's documentation isn't always very detailed and in some cases, lacking. But learning when to use features and when not to, as an example, is a matter of just working with the camera and experimenting.

As I tell people, in general: All these features (IBIS, AF tracking, etc) are great, and they can help you, they shouldn't be a crutch for sloppy/poor technique (but as "just in case"). One should familiarize themselves with their camera so they know when to use these features, and when to turn them off and fall back on old-fashioned technique to get the results you want.
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ghostfox_1 said:
sirhawkeye64 said:
ghostfox_1 said:
ProDude said:
ghostfox_1 said:
Nit picking everything, blaming the camera for their issues, etc.

People just love to hate nikon.
Click to expand...
No kidding. Like Nikon engineers that have been doing this for who knows how long, are just blundering fools. Sheesh. Time to take those complainers and take them out to the wood shed if they can't learn the proper photographic knowledge.
Click to expand...
According to some posts I've seen, telling people they should learn how to use the camera is mean and unfair. So... Yeah.
Click to expand...
Generally speaking, I think this goes both ways though. Knowing the ins/outs of a camera and what it is and isn't capable of (or rather, when to use features and when to not use them) is important. For example, I've seen on here where people will complain the tracking AF doesn't work say when it's snowing and blame the camera, when if they knew their camera a little better, they might have figured out that perhaps in snow the camera gets a little fooled and they are better off using single point AF (without face/eye tracking). That one seems to come up quite.

Now for some more obscure things, like how to set up focus shift shooting, or perhaps a question about a setting that might be fair game, as Nikon's documentation isn't always very detailed and in some cases, lacking. But learning when to use features and when not to, as an example, is a matter of just working with the camera and experimenting.

As I tell people, in general: All these features (IBIS, AF tracking, etc) are great, and they can help you, they shouldn't be a crutch for sloppy/poor technique (but as "just in case"). One should familiarize themselves with their camera so they know when to use these features, and when to turn them off and fall back on old-fashioned technique to get the results you want.
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I'm never above saying the manual sometimes isn't the best, etc. But largely, most of the issues I see are easily resolved by reading the manual (and adjusting an option to off/on vs the opposite, or an af mode, etc), and applying that knowleege.

As many options as these have these days, I feel like there should almost be a test before you're allowed to use a camera to make sure you read the manual.
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Yes, and I was going to mention that, but I think that is sort of interpreted to some as "learn to use your camera". But again, in some cases, and in fairness to those who have asked some questions, Nikon's manuals are a bit lacking in explanation of certain things. Focus shift shooting I think is a good example. It's there in the manual, but they don't seem to give good examples if you will, of what some settings might do in a cene. They just sort of tell you what the items are (briefly) and what the min/max/default values are.
 
ProDude said:
DigitalFFUser said:
So I was watching a famous youtuber who was a Nikon User then first switched to Sony but nowadays uses Canon and has curly hair. This guy is worst YTuber when it comes to free marketing for Sony and Nikon. Instead of praising Nikon he is saying that Sony and Canon will copy those new features and will do a better job than Nikon. I was not clicking on his videos for the last 4 years as didn't want to give him free clicks.
Canon and Sony almost never provide new features via firmware updates and forces people to buy new camera.

There is a lot of jealousy against Nikon brand these days .:-(
Click to expand...
Frankly I'm brand agnostic. I've owned them ALL over the last 25 years. NONE were perfect. But I too have noticed over this last year in particular. Everyone seems to go out of their way to slam Nikon wherever possible. In particular ever since the release of the Z9. It rocked the other companies boat and all those with any given brand seem to be exhibiting excessive amounts of "tribalism". It's pretty pathetic really. It must hurt to have their sales figures negatively impacted I guess.
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There is certainly something weird in these recurring episodes of Nikon bashing. The rapid expansion of the Z system has incited another bout, some of the responses seem to be lens envy as much as camera envy.

It is probably a form of tribalism. However, Nikon does appear to magnify drive insecurities, but one has to ask how many of the trolls and bashers actually own and use the gear, and take photographs.

It's demanding enough to keep up with the intricacies of the Nikon ecosystem, to read up on others. Other brand-specific forums hold no interest. But then i've little interest in other the status of other brands, besides Zeiss and the L mount, which is underappreciated IMHO but then Leica glass is unaffordable, and it's simpler IME to build up a system of Nikkor lenses if one is invested in Nikon.

To quote a quip by Roger Cicala that's been cited widely

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. H. L. Mencken, 1917

*Sonyfanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy with other equipment. Roger Cicala, 2018
 
ghostfox_1 said:
I'm never above saying the manual sometimes isn't the best, etc. But largely, most of the issues I see are easily resolved by reading the manual (and adjusting an option to off/on vs the opposite, or an af mode, etc), and applying that knowleege.

As many options as these have these days, I feel like there should almost be a test before you're allowed to use a camera to make sure you read the manual.
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With all the Firmware Updates the Manuals are not up to date. I know that Nikon has released several Updated Manuals, for the Z9, but there have been 2 more Firmware Updates beyond what the Latest Manual covers and it was released a few Days ago
 
Jake James said:
ghostfox_1 said:
I'm never above saying the manual sometimes isn't the best, etc. But largely, most of the issues I see are easily resolved by reading the manual (and adjusting an option to off/on vs the opposite, or an af mode, etc), and applying that knowleege.

As many options as these have these days, I feel like there should almost be a test before you're allowed to use a camera to make sure you read the manual.
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With all the Firmware Updates the Manuals are not up to date. I know that Nikon has released several Updated Manuals, for the Z9, but there have been 2 more Firmware Updates beyond what the Latest Manual covers and it was released a few Days ago
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There is the supplementary firmware manual for 4.0 that was released at the same time - https://download.nikonimglib.com/archive5/GkNKI00wBKGD06TstZM04LyyDG14/Z9_FU_addendum_(En)07.pdf

That said, it would be nice if they updated the original manual and combined everything from FW 2.0 onwards into a single, consolidated manual.
 
chambeshi said:
ProDude said:
DigitalFFUser said:
So I was watching a famous youtuber who was a Nikon User then first switched to Sony but nowadays uses Canon and has curly hair. This guy is worst YTuber when it comes to free marketing for Sony and Nikon. Instead of praising Nikon he is saying that Sony and Canon will copy those new features and will do a better job than Nikon. I was not clicking on his videos for the last 4 years as didn't want to give him free clicks.
Canon and Sony almost never provide new features via firmware updates and forces people to buy new camera.

There is a lot of jealousy against Nikon brand these days .:-(
Click to expand...
Frankly I'm brand agnostic. I've owned them ALL over the last 25 years. NONE were perfect. But I too have noticed over this last year in particular. Everyone seems to go out of their way to slam Nikon wherever possible. In particular ever since the release of the Z9. It rocked the other companies boat and all those with any given brand seem to be exhibiting excessive amounts of "tribalism". It's pretty pathetic really. It must hurt to have their sales figures negatively impacted I guess.
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There is certainly something weird in these recurring episodes of Nikon bashing. The rapid expansion of the Z system has incited another bout, some of the responses seem to be lens envy as much as camera envy.

It is probably a form of tribalism. However, Nikon does appear to magnify drive insecurities, but one has to ask how many of the trolls and bashers actually own and use the gear, and take photographs.

It's demanding enough to keep up with the intricacies of the Nikon ecosystem, to read up on others. Other brand-specific forums hold no interest. But then i've little interest in other the status of other brands, besides Zeiss and the L mount, which is underappreciated IMHO but then Leica glass is unaffordable, and it's simpler IME to build up a system of Nikkor lenses if one is invested in Nikon.

To quote a quip by Roger Cicala that's been cited widely

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. H. L. Mencken, 1917

*Sonyfanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy with other equipment. Roger Cicala, 2018
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YouTuber I am talking about has 1.5 million + followers and he is the biggest de-marketing force who is hell bent to use any mean to sway potential new buyers away from Nikon. No matter what lens, camera or firmware is released he finds a way to bash Nikon and praise Canon and Sony.
 
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ghostfox_1 said:
ProDude said:
ghostfox_1 said:
Nit picking everything, blaming the camera for their issues, etc.

People just love to hate nikon.
Click to expand...
No kidding. Like Nikon engineers that have been doing this for who knows how long, are just blundering fools. Sheesh. Time to take those complainers and take them out to the wood shed if they can't learn the proper photographic knowledge.
Click to expand...
According to some posts I've seen, telling people they should learn how to use the camera is mean and unfair. So... Yeah.
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If truth offends, it stands to reason that some are going to be offended.
 
DigitalFFUser said:
chambeshi said:
ProDude said:
DigitalFFUser said:
So I was watching a famous youtuber who was a Nikon User then first switched to Sony but nowadays uses Canon and has curly hair. This guy is worst YTuber when it comes to free marketing for Sony and Nikon. Instead of praising Nikon he is saying that Sony and Canon will copy those new features and will do a better job than Nikon. I was not clicking on his videos for the last 4 years as didn't want to give him free clicks.
Canon and Sony almost never provide new features via firmware updates and forces people to buy new camera.

There is a lot of jealousy against Nikon brand these days .:-(
Click to expand...
Frankly I'm brand agnostic. I've owned them ALL over the last 25 years. NONE were perfect. But I too have noticed over this last year in particular. Everyone seems to go out of their way to slam Nikon wherever possible. In particular ever since the release of the Z9. It rocked the other companies boat and all those with any given brand seem to be exhibiting excessive amounts of "tribalism". It's pretty pathetic really. It must hurt to have their sales figures negatively impacted I guess.
Click to expand...
There is certainly something weird in these recurring episodes of Nikon bashing. The rapid expansion of the Z system has incited another bout, some of the responses seem to be lens envy as much as camera envy.

It is probably a form of tribalism. However, Nikon does appear to magnify drive insecurities, but one has to ask how many of the trolls and bashers actually own and use the gear, and take photographs.

It's demanding enough to keep up with the intricacies of the Nikon ecosystem, to read up on others. Other brand-specific forums hold no interest. But then i've little interest in other the status of other brands, besides Zeiss and the L mount, which is underappreciated IMHO but then Leica glass is unaffordable, and it's simpler IME to build up a system of Nikkor lenses if one is invested in Nikon.

To quote a quip by Roger Cicala that's been cited widely

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. H. L. Mencken, 1917

*Sonyfanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy with other equipment. Roger Cicala, 2018
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YouTuber I am talking about has 1.5 million + followers and he is the biggest de-marketing force who is hell bent to use any mean to sway potential new buyers away from Nikon. No matter what lens, camera or firmware is released he finds a way to bash Nikon and praise Canon and Sony.
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There are at least prominent utuber channels that are guilty of this, but one has to ask how many of the total followers are current, let alone actually capable photographers.

It's doubtful any experienced photographer even bothers with these talking heads - but it's a wierd world.

Taking expensive decisions on advice from such sources must surely cost the gullible in the long run, as with politics I guess.
 
In the background Nikon has perhaps clarified a new trend in ongoing camera development - via Mat Grainger's youtube site.

Mat is firmly hinting that Expeed 7 in the Z8/9 is designed to be able to handle considerable future firmware developments - and that this is what Nikon is able to do over a relatively short time span with the Z9.

Whether right or wrong Nikon seems current first for software upgrades, Canon second and Sony a definite current third.

It is probable that high end new camera introductions from all manufactures will follow Nikon's lead of introducing cameras that can be relatively easily upgraded by firmware.

As a Z9 owner I prefer the free firmware upgrade route about every 6 months rather than owning what could be a somewhat obsolete $5000 camera within 2 years of launch.

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Leonard Shepherd
In lots of ways good photography is similar to learning to play a piano - it takes practice to develop skill in either activity.
 
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100% - well said "......fanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy with other equipment. Roger Cicala, 2018"

Not just Sony although there are a few clear users of Sony and Canon gear (so not Nikon nor Nikon mirrorless) who post on this group just to cause trouble and it makes one wonder why? before choosing to ignore them forever.

I am going to reuse your quotes.

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Nikon and Hasselblad shooter -- wildlife and and -- https://www.andymillerphoto.co.uk/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/ajm057/
 
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