Almost the best FF camera Sony could make

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After being very happy with Sony A7RII bodies as my high-end cameras for some years now, the A7RV finally checked enough additional boxes to make upgrading worthwhile. Overall, the A7RV is a serious contender for best FF camera built thus far by anyone. So, why am I giving it just 4.5 stars?

Let's start with the good stuff in comparison to the still-great A7RII:
  • This camera handles way better than the A7RII in almost every way; the tilt/flip-out rear LCD, the improved EVF, the much-reduced mechanical shutter sound (and presumably less vibration), stunningly great AF, improved IBIS, a better menu structure, dual card slots, etc. -- the AF in particular is almost magically good even with Tamron lenses like my 28-200mm and 150-500mm
  • It can shoot 8K video and does 4K better than the A7RII
  • In addition to various raw formats, it can make HEIF (.HIF) image files that compress better than JPEGs while maintaining more detail (except as noted below)
  • The sensor is 60MP and pixel shift can deliver up to 240MP using a decent tripod, electronic shutter mode, and a computer to merge the pixel-shifted captures
  • The camera can be used as a UVC USB webcam!!! This isn't what you'd buy an A7RV for, but in these post-pandemic days, it's really inexcusable that any camera with a USB interface doesn't allow driverless use with Zoom (and most competitors don't).
It's really hard not to like and respect the A7RV. It feels and behaves like a flagship camera while being very convenient to use -- even significantly more convenient and comfortable to use than Sony's actual flagship, which is officially the A1. It behaves like a 5/5-star camera -- but I'm not giving it 5/5.

Let me rain on the parade a bit by continuing the comparison to the lowly old A7RII:
  • The last A7RII I purchased new cost just $1200 -- this camera is 3X the price!
  • The A7RV is noticeably larger and heavier than the A7RII
  • Aside from 60MP vs 42MP and a couple of awkward pixel-shift modes, the image quality is darn similar to the A7RII -- and rolling shutter isn't reduced, because electronic shutter here isn't faster like it is on competing Nikon and even Canon models (yes, in readout speed, Sony's non-stacked BSI sensor is actually inferior to Canon's latest FSI sensors!)
  • The .HIF files are not recognized by most software that handles images, including some that supposedly understand HEIF files; beyond that, the larger dynamic range encoded doesn't use enough bits to retain shadow detail, and Sony's DRO which manages to keep such details in JPEGs barely does anything with .HIF files until around the Lv4 setting -- it seems that Sony didn't appropriately tweak the DRO algorithm for the new HEIF file format, and thus DRO Auto JPEGs retain more shadow detail than HEIF files do!
  • The A7RV firmware is actually missing a lot of capabilities the A7RII firmware had, most notably PlayMemories app support and apps (except they did finally bring back the intervalometer app functionality), and it is also missing things like the excellent in-camera panorama modes that were in earlier models
That last point is a real killer. One would expect newer models to add features, not remove them, but not only is the app support gone, but the most useful features provided by apps are still missing. I shoot mostly manual lenses, and there was a lens compensation app that allowed me to set the name, focal length, vignetting and distortion corrections for unchipped manual lenses, with corrections applied in-camera and the info included in EXIF; with the A7RV, all I can do is manually set a focal length for IBIS to assume, but the camera doesn't even record that focal length in the image EXIF! OK, without the app, that's the best the A7RII could do -- but it also had the app support to fix that problem. It is mind-bogglingly stupid that when the A7III and later models dropped the app support Sony didn't simply build-in the functionality of all the apps; they obviously had code for those functions, so what did omitting it save Sony?

In summary, Sony seems to have improved a lot from generation to generation in the A7 family, but there are still quite a few things that are more awkward than they should be. The A7RV with a faster electronic shutter readout (and perhaps even dropping the mechanical shutter) and supporting the various firmware/app features that Sony used to have would be a nearly perfect camera. I appreciate that sensor cost might have kept fast readout out of reach, except it didn't blow the cost for the Nikon Z8, and I see no financial benefit to Sony's decisions to continue to omit other firmware features they had in earlier models. Thus, I have to give the A7RV a 4.5/5 because there's important stuff it easily could have done that Sony simply didn't do. I hope, but don't expect, that a firmware update will bring back the missing features, at which time, even without the fast electronic readout, I'd give this a 5/5...
 
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A1 is a much better camera.
And lack of CFExpress Type B is another reason. They are much cheaper than Type A.
A7r V is a 4.5 camera, A1 is a 4.8 camera.
I hear you, but I give more points for the tilt/pivot LCD and $2K is a lot more to pay for a camera that isn't quite as nice but has a faster-readout, slightly-lower-resolution, sensor. That's why I found the A7RV more compelling than the A1.

If I shot more sports or video, I agree that the A1 is a better camera. The A7RV is a little better for the types of photography I do.
 
I upgraded from an A7Rii to an A7Riv. For me, the faster operation, better AF and better UI justified it. Like you, I'm unimpressed by the larger size and loss of function.

What the A7Rv has is claimed better IBIS and sensor cleaning. Not enough to tempt me, but finally Sony see the light.

My other camera is an OM1, which has many of the features you are looking for. I'm away at the moment with an 8/1.8 fisheye, 10/2, 12-40/2.8, 40-150/2.8 and the OM1 with the tiny flash that runs off the camera battery.

With the A7Riv, 17-28/2.8, 28-75/2.8 and 100-400 GM, I'd need a tripod and a bigger bag.

Maybe there is a Quad Bayer fast readout 80Mpix FF sensor in Sony's future. The body will be expensive.

Andrew
 
I think the a7rv is just dandy!
 
I think the a7rv is just dandy!
If I could have only one camera, it would be the A7Rv.

Andrew
In my book, A7RV is a 5-star, best camera I've ever owned (many cameras over 65 years).

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I enjoy content, simplicity and light weight: A6500, A7C and A7RV w/Sony + G + GM Glass
 
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  • The last A7RII I purchased new cost just $1200 -- this camera is 3X the price!
Not exactly a straightforward comparison. The A7Rii was $3199 at introduction.
 
  • The last A7RII I purchased new cost just $1200 -- this camera is 3X the price!
Not exactly a straightforward comparison. The A7Rii was $3199 at introduction.
True, but I wasn't comparing it to the competitors (of which there were none) when it was released -- I'm comparing it to Sony's latest improved version of it released 8 years later. ;-)
 
To me the tilt/pivot LCD would loose it points as its just something more to break on a camera used as a work tool.
 
A1 is a much better camera.
And lack of CFExpress Type B is another reason. They are much cheaper than Type A.
A7r V is a 4.5 camera, A1 is a 4.8 camera.
I hear you, but I give more points for the tilt/pivot LCD and $2K is a lot more to pay for a camera that isn't quite as nice but has a faster-readout, slightly-lower-resolution, sensor. That's why I found the A7RV more compelling than the A1.

If I shot more sports or video, I agree that the A1 is a better camera. The A7RV is a little better for the types of photography I do.
I would gladly sacrifice 10mpix for a stacked sensor.

And even if that's not important, the lack of CFExpress Type B is baffling. Type A is stupidly overpriced compared to Type B.

I love Sony and my A7r IV took amazing photos, but A7r V is not a 5/5 camera. If resolution is the most important aspect, there are higher resolution cameras out there. If speed is important there are better cameras out there. If everything is important... A1.
 
For those of us that primarily shoot portraits, people and landscapes more than anything along with some wildlife, the A7R5 is a far more logical choice then the likes of the A1 (sorry A1 owners, sorry to bruise your egos). The AWB, improved IBIS, Focus acquisition and lock on faces and eyes, resolution let alone the more reasonable and realistic pricing made it an obvious choice. I don't do video either FWIW.
 
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Your numbers say 4.5 stars but your words and emotion say 2 stars on balance. The mismatch is noticable.

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After being very happy with Sony A7RII bodies as my high-end cameras for some years now, the A7RV finally checked enough additional boxes to make upgrading worthwhile. Overall, the A7RV is a serious contender for best FF camera built thus far by anyone. So, why am I giving it just 4.5 stars?

Let's start with the good stuff in comparison to the still-great A7RII:
  • This camera handles way better than the A7RII in almost every way; the tilt/flip-out rear LCD, the improved EVF, the much-reduced mechanical shutter sound (and presumably less vibration), stunningly great AF, improved IBIS, a better menu structure, dual card slots, etc. -- the AF in particular is almost magically good even with Tamron lenses like my 28-200mm and 150-500mm
  • It can shoot 8K video and does 4K better than the A7RII
  • In addition to various raw formats, it can make HEIF (.HIF) image files that compress better than JPEGs while maintaining more detail (except as noted below)
  • The sensor is 60MP and pixel shift can deliver up to 240MP using a decent tripod, electronic shutter mode, and a computer to merge the pixel-shifted captures
  • The camera can be used as a UVC USB webcam!!! This isn't what you'd buy an A7RV for, but in these post-pandemic days, it's really inexcusable that any camera with a USB interface doesn't allow driverless use with Zoom (and most competitors don't).
It's really hard not to like and respect the A7RV. It feels and behaves like a flagship camera while being very convenient to use -- even significantly more convenient and comfortable to use than Sony's actual flagship, which is officially the A1. It behaves like a 5/5-star camera -- but I'm not giving it 5/5.

Let me rain on the parade a bit by continuing the comparison to the lowly old A7RII:
  • The last A7RII I purchased new cost just $1200 -- this camera is 3X the price!
  • The A7RV is noticeably larger and heavier than the A7RII
  • Aside from 60MP vs 42MP and a couple of awkward pixel-shift modes, the image quality is darn similar to the A7RII -- and rolling shutter isn't reduced, because electronic shutter here isn't faster like it is on competing Nikon and even Canon models (yes, in readout speed, Sony's non-stacked BSI sensor is actually inferior to Canon's latest FSI sensors!)
  • The .HIF files are not recognized by most software that handles images, including some that supposedly understand HEIF files; beyond that, the larger dynamic range encoded doesn't use enough bits to retain shadow detail, and Sony's DRO which manages to keep such details in JPEGs barely does anything with .HIF files until around the Lv4 setting -- it seems that Sony didn't appropriately tweak the DRO algorithm for the new HEIF file format, and thus DRO Auto JPEGs retain more shadow detail than HEIF files do!
  • The A7RV firmware is actually missing a lot of capabilities the A7RII firmware had, most notably PlayMemories app support and apps (except they did finally bring back the intervalometer app functionality), and it is also missing things like the excellent in-camera panorama modes that were in earlier models
That last point is a real killer. One would expect newer models to add features, not remove them, but not only is the app support gone, but the most useful features provided by apps are still missing. I shoot mostly manual lenses, and there was a lens compensation app that allowed me to set the name, focal length, vignetting and distortion corrections for unchipped manual lenses, with corrections applied in-camera and the info included in EXIF; with the A7RV, all I can do is manually set a focal length for IBIS to assume, but the camera doesn't even record that focal length in the image EXIF! OK, without the app, that's the best the A7RII could do -- but it also had the app support to fix that problem. It is mind-bogglingly stupid that when the A7III and later models dropped the app support Sony didn't simply build-in the functionality of all the apps; they obviously had code for those functions, so what did omitting it save Sony?

In summary, Sony seems to have improved a lot from generation to generation in the A7 family, but there are still quite a few things that are more awkward than they should be. The A7RV with a faster electronic shutter readout (and perhaps even dropping the mechanical shutter) and supporting the various firmware/app features that Sony used to have would be a nearly perfect camera. I appreciate that sensor cost might have kept fast readout out of reach, except it didn't blow the cost for the Nikon Z8, and I see no financial benefit to Sony's decisions to continue to omit other firmware features they had in earlier models. Thus, I have to give the A7RV a 4.5/5 because there's important stuff it easily could have done that Sony simply didn't do. I hope, but don't expect, that a firmware update will bring back the missing features, at which time, even without the fast electronic readout, I'd give this a 5/5...
Hi there,I am considering switching to Sony A7R5, but I would like to clarify some things before I make the move. Much appreciated if any owners of A7R5 can answer my questions below:

1. Does Sony A7R5 have "Bright Monitoring" for Astrophotography?

2. Are you able to see the details of the stars and colors on your LCD, with and without "Bright Monitoring" turned on, like the video below?


3. When using intervalometer, does the lens aperture move or does it stay constant no matter what aperture is selected? On my Nikon Z6, I have to set it at f5.6 to avoid that.

Thanks!
 
Your numbers say 4.5 stars but your words and emotion say 2 stars on balance. The mismatch is noticable.
No, it's not a 2/5 in any respect! The A7RV camera by itself or in comparison to the latest competitors from Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, and Leica is an easy 5/5. The catch is, the A7RII rated against those same cameras would still be at least a 4/5, and a 5/5 at the price it was selling for in the last couple of years it was still being made.

My rather strong dismay is that, as much as the A7RV is way better than the A7RII, it is actually worse in several respects that actually matter to me, and that's something that should not be happening. I'm giving Sony a 0.5/5 penalty for going out of their way to continue to mess-up a few things the A7RII did right. BTW, they really messed-up those things on every model after the A7RII while continuing to bump prices, and for that reason I wouldn't rate the A7RIII or A7RIV above 4/5. In fact, the A1 and A7IV are the only others I'd put in the 4.5/5 range.

I happen to have a significant investment in Sony A and E/FE mount, both in lenses and literally dozens of adapters (including 3D-printed ones I designed for lots of manual lenses in various mounts), so I have a reason to stick with Sony. I'm also one of the very few who have a minor preference for Sonys ergonomically -- my main camera when I did commercial photography professionally years ago was a Minolta XK, and Sonys still remind me of that. If I had no reason to prefer Sony E/FE bodies, I would be very tempted to go with a Nikon Z8, which I think is a 5/5, and the Z mount actually would be helpful in avoiding vignetting I get with FE when adapting some large-format lenses. As for the top-of-the-line Canon and Panasonic models, the sad truth is I wouldn't trade my A7RII for either of them... well, I suppose I would trade, and then sell the Canon/Panasonic to buy a used A7RII and a new Z7II. ;-)

One last note: I am a professor doing computational photography research, and I do a lot of open source development. If Sony hadn't discontinued PlayMemories, I would be doing all sorts of things using OpenMemories and releasing those apps for free. Instead, I've been forced to use Canons with CHDK and ML, which is a grossly inferior infrastructure. Sony making a nice, protected, app environment for PlayMemories and then failing to open it to 3rd-party developers and dropping it when it got hacked so 3rd-party development was possible is like cell phones banning 3rd-party apps: it makes no sense whatsoever and is a truly self-destructive move. Sony really should bring back the PlayMemories app environment, tweak the UI for it so it plays nicer with the camera menus, and open a 3rd-party app certification process and store. The first camera maker to do something like that will completely dominate the camera market within a few years.
 
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Hi there,I am considering switching to Sony A7R5, but I would like to clarify some things before I make the move. Much appreciated if any owners of A7R5 can answer my questions below:

1. Does Sony A7R5 have "Bright Monitoring" for Astrophotography?
Yes. Not something I've used, but it's there .
2. Are you able to see the details of the stars and colors on your LCD, with and without "Bright Monitoring" turned on, like the video below?

Haven't tried that and it's daytime now... ;-)
3. When using intervalometer, does the lens aperture move or does it stay constant no matter what aperture is selected? On my Nikon Z6, I have to set it at f5.6 to avoid that.
Not quite sure what you're asking. It does allow use of aperture priority mode, but are you asking if it opens the lens back up between shots? I know it disables auto review between shots when interval shooting, so I'd guess it doesn't change the aperture between shots, but I don't really know. In truth, any intervalometer shooting I'd do would be with one of my many unchipped manual lenses...
 
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I think the a7rv is just dandy!
If I could have only one camera, it would be the A7Rv.

Andrew
In my book, A7RV is a 5-star, best camera I've ever owned (many cameras over 65 years).
As I've tried to explain here, it is overall the best camera I've ever owned too -- BUT I'm very frustrated by the fact that the old A7RII does more than a few things that the A7RV can't do simply because Sony unwisely stopped putting those features in the firmware. That's why I give it the 0.5/5 penalty.
 
I think the a7rv is just dandy!
If I could have only one camera, it would be the A7Rv.

Andrew
In my book, A7RV is a 5-star, best camera I've ever owned (many cameras over 65 years).
As I've tried to explain here, it is overall the best camera I've ever owned too -- BUT I'm very frustrated by the fact that the old A7RII does more than a few things that the A7RV can't do simply because Sony unwisely stopped putting those features in the firmware. That's why I give it the 0.5/5 penalty.
Since I can have more than one, the OM1 keeps me happy alongside an A7Riv.

:)

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I think the a7rv is just dandy!
If I could have only one camera, it would be the A7Rv.

Andrew
In my book, A7RV is a 5-star, best camera I've ever owned (many cameras over 65 years).
As I've tried to explain here, it is overall the best camera I've ever owned too -- BUT I'm very frustrated by the fact that the old A7RII does more than a few things that the A7RV can't do simply because Sony unwisely stopped putting those features in the firmware. That's why I give it the 0.5/5 penalty.
Since I can have more than one, the OM1 keeps me happy alongside an A7Riv.
Just to be clear, I NEARLY ALWAYS carry two cameras; now it'll be the A7RV + A7RII. The sad part is that I usually shoot with unchipped manual lenses and the A7RII does better with them thanks to the lens compensation app.

This was fine during my recent Spain/France/Italy trip. My A7RV pretty much had my Tamron 28-200mm on it all the time (BTW, that lens is fine for 60MP), while I swapped between various manual lenses on my A7RII, with my Laowa 10-18mm being the most common choice.

I haven't been impressed by MFT's combination of small sensor, longish flange distance, and larger-than-necessary bodies. If I want something smaller than my A7RII, I'll carry an A6500 or my old NEX-7. For example, the NEX-7 with my Pergear 35mm f/1.4 is a stunningly capable system to stick in a large pocket. The fact that a 12-year-old camera can still produce top-quality images is part of why the industry has been having problems keeping sales up...
 
I think the a7rv is just dandy!
If I could have only one camera, it would be the A7Rv.

Andrew
In my book, A7RV is a 5-star, best camera I've ever owned (many cameras over 65 years).
As I've tried to explain here, it is overall the best camera I've ever owned too -- BUT I'm very frustrated by the fact that the old A7RII does more than a few things that the A7RV can't do simply because Sony unwisely stopped putting those features in the firmware. That's why I give it the 0.5/5 penalty.
Since I can have more than one, the OM1 keeps me happy alongside an A7Riv.
Just to be clear, I NEARLY ALWAYS carry two cameras; now it'll be the A7RV + A7RII. The sad part is that I usually shoot with unchipped manual lenses and the A7RII does better with them thanks to the lens compensation app.

This was fine during my recent Spain/France/Italy trip. My A7RV pretty much had my Tamron 28-200mm on it all the time (BTW, that lens is fine for 60MP), while I swapped between various manual lenses on my A7RII, with my Laowa 10-18mm being the most common choice.

I haven't been impressed by MFT's combination of small sensor, longish flange distance, and larger-than-necessary bodies. If I want something smaller than my A7RII, I'll carry an A6500 or my old NEX-7. For example, the NEX-7 with my Pergear 35mm f/1.4 is a stunningly capable system to stick in a large pocket. The fact that a 12-year-old camera can still produce top-quality images is part of why the industry has been having problems keeping sales up...
I prefer the grip on the OM1 to the A7R2. It’s about 25g lighter but bigger because of the grip.

I I want something to be small, that would be a GM1 or EM1 mk i or even an A7R.

Andrew
 

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