Now that the hoopla for the Z8 is almost over...

Z8 hasn't even shipped and "the hoopla for the Z8 is almost over"; it is going to be long long time coming for Nikon Z#_

rgs_45 said:

• To be release together with the 200-600?
  • Since there are no more information (or even a rumor) regarding this lens since it was announce waaaaaayyyyyy back, maybe Nikon is redesigning it to be:
    • Internal zoom.
    • with a 5.6 aperture all the way through.

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Hmm. I was going to whinge about 600mm f/5.6 being too large an aperture (107mm) to fit a 95mm filter, which is relatively common for large Nikkor lenses. I went to the Breakthrough Photography site to check common filter sizes, and found a 112mm UV filter available for pre-order … hmm …

PLShutterbug said:

rgs_45 said:

• To be release together with the 200-600?
  • Since there are no more information (or even a rumor) regarding this lens since it was announce waaaaaayyyyyy back, maybe Nikon is redesigning it to be:
    • Internal zoom.
    • with a 5.6 aperture all the way through.

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Hmm. I was going to whinge about 600mm f/5.6 being too large an aperture (107mm) to fit a 95mm filter, which is relatively common for large Nikkor lenses. I went to the Breakthrough Photography site to check common filter sizes, and found a 112mm UV filter available for pre-order … hmm …

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I know 112MM filters have been around since Sept. 2020. I have been using a B+W 112MM F-Pro Clear with MRC on Z 14-24mm f/2.8 lens via hood. B+W 112MM filters are available in UV Haze and Circular Polarizer. Couple of other companies make 112MM.

30-40MP APS-C stacked sensor, AF and frame rate similar to Z9/8 and I'll buy it.

Have Z9 already (Since January 2022).

Current Z-lenses are so good that they will be great with higher pixel density. So, 30-40MP APS-C would be great for birds, wildlife and macro.

It`d likely use the stacked sensor from the Fuji XH2 but with a proper bayer filter array , maybe in a Z8 type body

.......but the Z8 itself gives nearly 20Mp in cropped mode with no downsides for sports, the XH2 has proved that even APS_C stacked sensors are very expensive (far more expensive than a regular BSI 40MP one) , the Z8 body won't be cheap to make and Nikon aren't serious about mirrorless APS_C as the weak ZDX lens lineup and the "couldn't give a toss" attitude towards the Z50 and firmware updates have proved - DX is obviously far from Nikon's priority and hate to say it but the D500 was probably the last pro-level APS_C camera Nikon will ever make.

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Wait in line. The Z6iii/Z7iii still has to come out first.

And what is a D500 replacement? The R7 is effectively Canon's D500, spec for spec. Nikon's equally-priced R7 competitor is what I would call a D500 replacement.

And I would see them buying a bunch of those 26MP sensors and then using it across the crop bodies than buying a small number of crop stacked sensors just for a niche of niches body.

AdamT said:

It`d likely use the stacked sensor from the Fuji XH2 but with a proper bayer filter array , maybe in a Z8 type body

.......but the Z8 itself gives nearly 20Mp in cropped mode with no downsides for sports, the XH2 has proved that even APS_C stacked sensors are very expensive (far more expensive than a regular BSI 40MP one) , the Z8 body won't be cheap to make and Nikon aren't serious about mirrorless APS_C as the weak ZDX lens lineup and the "couldn't give a toss" attitude towards the Z50 and firmware updates have proved - DX is obviously far from Nikon's priority and hate to say it but the D500 was probably the last pro-level APS_C camera Nikon will ever make.

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So if we want better buy Fuji, I doubt if there is much difference in the manufacture of the actual bodies, the are all moulded or cast using the same manufacturing methods, once the moulds are made the cost of production is similar. It's what's inside that increases the cost either though actual higher production cost, or perceived value.

There are several groups of users who want DX bodies

Those that will buy the cheapest "Good camera" and will never buy another lens.

Those that want a cheaper smaller setup with good image quality and will want good quality DX lenses to use in their photography. These users are quite happy with the current sensor size, basically requiring a upgrade to the Z50

Then there are those who mainly want the camera for sports ,wildlife and BIF. these people require a body with higher pixel density at a much lower cost than a FF sensor that has a low pixel density in crop mode, fast accurate AF, and no lag in the viewfinder, They will in the most part buy the less expensive tele zooms for full frame bodies to get maximum reach with little cropping, also some will have the pro lenses to use alongside their pro FF bodies. these are the users who need the Z500, and a Z8 body with a 30mp DX sensor will do nicely thank you.

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cosmicnode said:

Then there are those who mainly want the camera for sports ,wildlife and BIF. these people require a body with higher pixel density at a much lower cost than a FF sensor that has a low pixel density in crop mode, fast accurate AF, and no lag in the viewfinder, They will in the most part buy the less expensive tele zooms for full frame bodies to get maximum reach with little cropping, also some will have the pro lenses to use alongside their pro FF bodies. these are the users who need the Z500, and a Z8 body with a 30mp DX sensor will do nicely thank you.

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Prob is that all that requires a stacked sensor and as the XH2S has shown that means very expensive (a lot more cash than a D500) - Fuji only have APS_C so all their eggs are in that basket and the system is supported - Nikon like canon and Sony are so deeply in to FF that it`s highly unlikely that a Z80/Z90 or whatever will be worthwhile for them to spend valuable limited resources on to end up with a camera costing as much, probably quite a bit more than a Fuji XH2S

It`s a miracle the R7 was made given canon's lack of interest in mirrorless APS_C (even less RFS glass than Nikon have in ZDX) , it`s definitely more 7D-II than full on D500 though and priced accordingly

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Kuvasauna said:

30-40MP APS-C stacked sensor, AF and frame rate similar to Z9/8 and I'll buy it.

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From the little I know these simply do not exist YET not that can deliver the data needed by the Expeed 7 -- and NO the R7 is Front side illuminated

Thom Hogan said the Z8 is both the D850 and D500 replacement-- and many many times more superior but obviously more expensive. AND here is the rub -- nice requirement but would you pay US$ 4k for a Pro-body DX camera with a 30-40MP Stacked BSI CMOS sensor in it and Z8 performance or better? If not then you would have an even longer time to wait.

I am absolutely clear -- anyone wanting a DX Pro-Body 30-40MP had better expect to be using the top FX lenses and not expect Nikon to also come out with a full lineup of high quality DX AF lenses as well. The deals with Sigma and Tamron appears to have fill the gap for many who want better DX lenses for the Z-mount but do not want to pay Nikkor prices.
I hope that Nikon can be allowed to build out its full frame line up of lenses -- YES including the 180/200-600 and 35/1.2 and apparently the rest to achieve 55 within 2-3 years.

Droster said:

And what is a D500 replacement? The R7 is effectively Canon's D500, spec for spec. Nikon's equally-priced R7 competitor is what I would call a D500 replacement.

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I own a D500 and a R7 and the R7 is a fine camera for the price but no D500 replacement. The D500 delivered pro level capabilities and features at the time of its release; the R7 is clearly a big step below present day pro capabilities and features. It is, however, a good D7x00 replacement.

cosmicnode said:

There are several groups of users who want DX bodies

Those that will buy the cheapest "Good camera" and will never buy another lens.

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Nikon is definitely NOT interested in this group.

cosmicnode said:

Those that want a cheaper smaller setup with good image quality and will want good quality DX lenses to use in their photography. These users are quite happy with the current sensor size, basically requiring a upgrade to the Z50

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I agree and would purchase a Z50ii. Such a Z50ii must have IBIS and significantly better AF. Or is this a Z70? Nikon should be interested in this group and I expect a Z50ii at a minimum. Success (to me) depends on IBIS and AF improvements.

cosmicnode said:

Then there are those who mainly want the camera for sports ,wildlife and BIF. these people require a body with higher pixel density at a much lower cost than a FF sensor that has a low pixel density in crop mode, fast accurate AF, and no lag in the viewfinder, They will in the most part buy the less expensive tele zooms for full frame bodies to get maximum reach with little cropping, also some will have the pro lenses to use alongside their pro FF bodies. these are the users who need the Z500, and a Z8 body with a 30mp DX sensor will do nicely thank you.

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This is the uncertainty. Will Nikon go a full-blown Z90 (i.e. a Z9 DX)? Or offer a Z70 that’s a much more significant upgrade to the Z50?

Nikon publically stated in April 2021 that their Business Strategy included:

For pros/hobbyists

- Deploy advanced features from the Z9 across the lineup



I guess it's up for debate exactly what Nikon meant; but two things are certain:

1) such tech has not yet been deployed across the lineup

2) Nikon is not very good at marketing

Droster said:

Wait in line. The Z6iii/Z7iii still has to come out first.

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Please no. I just gave up waiting and just ordered a Z6ii.. :-D

rgs_45 said:

Will there be a "hoopla" for a D500 replacement?

• A mini Z8 perhaps?
• 30-40MP APS-C stack sensor?
• To be release together with the 200-600?
  • Since there are no more information (or even a rumor) regarding this lens since it was announce waaaaaayyyyyy back, maybe Nikon is redesigning it to be:
    • Internal zoom.
    • with a 5.6 aperture all the way through.

I would love to have a mirrorless version of the D500 + the 200-600 to replace my D500 + 200-500/5.6

- Rich

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Until Sony and Canon counter this latest Release from Nikon, expect the Party to last for quite a while. Concerning a stacked cropped sensor, the Min should be 30MP. Fuji doesn't have the extensive Long Lens lineup like Nikon has. So Nikon bringing out a Stacked cropped camera would quickly overtake them.

Concerning cost for a stacked cropped sensor, well it's been a few years now since it's introduction. So maybe the costs are NOT nearly what some are still assuming. Also, the Z8 and Z9 are still wayyyyyyy too BIG for a Ton on well funded Folks of the Wildlife and Sporting shooting type. So the D500 replacement is still sorely needed.

Kuvasauna said:

30-40MP APS-C stacked sensor, AF and frame rate similar to Z9/8 and I'll buy it.

Have Z9 already (Since January 2022).

Current Z-lenses are so good that they will be great with higher pixel density. So, 30-40MP APS-C would be great for birds, wildlife and macro.

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30MP maybe, but 24MP may be more like it. 40MP would be too close to the Z8/Z9 in terms of resolution (despite being a crop sensor), especially if a Z APSC was to inherit similar/the same AF and frame rate. That or it would have to be a $3,000 camera.

More than likely we'd be looking at something like 24-30 MP stacked sensor, Expeed 7, maybe 15 fps tops but blackout free, IBIS, single or dual SD card slot and perhaps a price of around $1500. There would have to be enough differentiation.

I sort of feel even with the Z8, some z9 users may be jealous because of the lower price point, but basically similar overall specs otherwise (and performance, for the most part, minus the SD card slot and its impact along with shorter 8k, but from an AF / speed standpoint, it's basically the same, for $1500 less). I suspect that a high-end APSC body will be limited further than the Z8 so it can fit within a $1500 price range. It may have some of the same hardware, but it will be watered down a bit.

My opinion - present technology does not permit a mirrorless replacement for the D500. EFV is not going to match optical vf for responsiveness and speed.

Bob A L said:

My opinion - present technology does not permit a mirrorless replacement for the D500. EFV is not going to match optical vf for responsiveness and speed.

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The Z8/Z9 EVF does.