R50 - no hotshoe pins??

Did anyone else notice in the product shots for the new R50 that there doesn't seem to be any hotshoe pin contacts? When they launched the SL3 Dslr there was discussion about how they dropped the center pin contact so that it wouldn't work with 3rd party flashes etc. But this is even more crazy! With no hotshoe contacts this won't even work with Canon brand flashes. How is the hotshoe even suppose to work - it looks more like a cold shoe?

Anyone know what's going on? Maybe when the manual is released we can find out more.

Chris

New bodies include Canon Multi-function accessory shoe that needs Optional Canon AD-E1 adapter for conventional shoe-mount flashes and accessories

cnyphotoguy said:

New bodies include Canon Multi-function accessory shoe that needs Optional Canon AD-E1 adapter for conventional shoe-mount flashes and accessories

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Okay thanks. I did some searching on the new Multi-function accessory shoe. However, on other cameras with the new shoe (like the R3 R6ii etc) they still come with the regular hotshoe pins. The R50 is the first camera without the regular hotshoe pins as far as I can tell. With R3 for example you can still use a regular EX series flash without the AD-E1 adapter. You only need the adapter if you want to maintain the weather sealing. But the R50 is an entry level camera with no weather sealing. But, they are forcing you to buy an adapter just to use an external flash with this camera. Seems like something that will confuse entry level buyers of this camera. There will be lots of complaints from people who buy this camera and wonder why their EX series speedlight doesn't work.

Chris

ChrisPCrunch said:

cnyphotoguy said:

New bodies include Canon Multi-function accessory shoe that needs Optional Canon AD-E1 adapter for conventional shoe-mount flashes and accessories

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Okay thanks. I did some searching on the new Multi-function accessory shoe. However, on other cameras with the new shoe (like the R3 R6ii etc) they still come with the regular hotshoe pins. The R50 is the first camera without the regular hotshoe pins as far as I can tell. With R3 for example you can still use a regular EX series flash without the AD-E1 adapter. You only need the adapter if you want to maintain the weather sealing. But the R50 is an entry level camera with no weather sealing. But, they are forcing you to buy an adapter just to use an external flash with this camera. Seems like something that will confuse entry level buyers of this camera. There will be lots of complaints from people who buy this camera and wonder why their EX series speedlight doesn't work.

Chris

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This is why it's so important for folks to read the manual, especially when there's a significant change in the technology.

ChrisPCrunch said:

cnyphotoguy said:

New bodies include Canon Multi-function accessory shoe that needs Optional Canon AD-E1 adapter for conventional shoe-mount flashes and accessories

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Okay thanks. I did some searching on the new Multi-function accessory shoe. However, on other cameras with the new shoe (like the R3 R6ii etc) they still come with the regular hotshoe pins. The R50 is the first camera without the regular hotshoe pins as far as I can tell. With R3 for example you can still use a regular EX series flash without the AD-E1 adapter. You only need the adapter if you want to maintain the weather sealing. But the R50 is an entry level camera with no weather sealing. But, they are forcing you to buy an adapter just to use an external flash with this camera. Seems like something that will confuse entry level buyers of this camera. There will be lots of complaints from people who buy this camera and wonder why their EX series speedlight doesn't work.

Chris

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I would more expect buyers, if looking for accessories, to buy the new cableless mic for this new mount than a flash. Especially at this price point.

cnyphotoguy said:

ChrisPCrunch said:

cnyphotoguy said:

New bodies include Canon Multi-function accessory shoe that needs Optional Canon AD-E1 adapter for conventional shoe-mount flashes and accessories

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Okay thanks. I did some searching on the new Multi-function accessory shoe. However, on other cameras with the new shoe (like the R3 R6ii etc) they still come with the regular hotshoe pins. The R50 is the first camera without the regular hotshoe pins as far as I can tell. With R3 for example you can still use a regular EX series flash without the AD-E1 adapter. You only need the adapter if you want to maintain the weather sealing. But the R50 is an entry level camera with no weather sealing. But, they are forcing you to buy an adapter just to use an external flash with this camera. Seems like something that will confuse entry level buyers of this camera. There will be lots of complaints from people who buy this camera and wonder why their EX series speedlight doesn't work.

Chris

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I would more expect buyers, if looking for accessories, to buy the new cableless mic for this new mount than a flash. Especially at this price point.

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One more sign that video is superseding still photos as a priority. Whether it is attaching a microphone, a continuous light panel or some other video accessory, demand has shifted. More traditional still photographers will just have to buy AD-E1 adapter. I hope the adapter works with non-Canon flashes!

As I read the reviews for the four new cameras introduced since last May, well over half of each review is on video specs. I know this is a hopeless pipe dream, but I would love Canon (or someone) to introduce one camera that has no video. The menus would be 50% shorter (realistically more like 25% but just to make the point!) , the button layout would be simplified and the features that are a compromise between stills and video, will be re-focused on shooting stills. Would it sell? Probably not well. Everyone knows a modern camera is capable of video. So, they would be afraid of missing out (FOMO) if they don't have it. And the blowback from the creators and video crowd would be intense. Nikon tried it and got roasted several years ago.

I don't keep up with Leica but I think they may have one or more models without video. However, they just (re) introduced a film camera, the M6, so they cater to a different audience.

OK, back to 2023. Why doesn't my camera have IBIS and 14 bit 6K?

Canon at any and each department is on a rampage to exclude or ban anything third-party.

Abominable.

On the other hand, it seems to me the R50 has an onboard flash unit so there allready is an easy and on the go way to get a bit more light without having to build a slightly towering construction with the optional Canon AD-E1 adapter and the external flash on top (R3, R7), that is if you want to maintain a somewhat weathersealed combination. I for one wouldn't complain if Canon were to put a similar flash unit in a "R7 Mark II' (together with R5 lay-out and topscreen, haha). It should not be impossible since it is APS-C and larger than the R50. It was one of the reasons that made me prefer the 7 D II over the 5 D's. You don't have to use the on board flash if you don't like it, but it's there when you need some light on the spot.

Edymagno said:

Canon at any and each department is on a rampage to exclude or ban anything third-party.

Abominable.

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cnyphotoguy said:

New bodies include Canon Multi-function accessory shoe that needs Optional Canon AD-E1 adapter for conventional shoe-mount flashes and accessories

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That's not completely accurate: all current bodies with the new multi-fuction shoe, except the R50, can use existing flashes and things like the GP-E2 without the AD-E1. You only need the AD-E1 if you want full weather sealing or if you have an R50.

…it’s about US$40 …..or CDN$100*

*Joke

I asked Gordon Laing (Cameralabs), who has reviewed the R50, for any information he could offer. Unfortunately he hadn’t checked the functionality of the R50 shoe and apologised. As noted above, on the other bodies with the new shoe, the standard Canon flash contacts are present, and you don’t actually need the AD-E1 adapter, except to maintain weather sealing. I do wonder whether the adapter would actually work on the R50 - what would it connect to? My suspicion is that the shoe is only for mounting a microphone.

drsnoopy said:

I asked Gordon Laing (Cameralabs), who has reviewed the R50, for any information he could offer. Unfortunately he hadn’t checked the functionality of the R50 shoe and apologised. As noted above, on the other bodies with the new shoe, the standard Canon flash contacts are present, and you don’t actually need the AD-E1 adapter, except to maintain weather sealing. I do wonder whether the adapter would actually work on the R50 - what would it connect to? My suspicion is that the shoe is only for mounting a microphone.

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I think it connects with some contacts at the very front of the shoe but I could be wrong.

drsnoopy said:

I asked Gordon Laing (Cameralabs), who has reviewed the R50, for any information he could offer. Unfortunately he hadn’t checked the functionality of the R50 shoe and apologised. As noted above, on the other bodies with the new shoe, the standard Canon flash contacts are present, and you don’t actually need the AD-E1 adapter, except to maintain weather sealing. I do wonder whether the adapter would actually work on the R50 - what would it connect to? My suspicion is that the shoe is only for mounting a microphone.

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The recently introduced Canon EL5 Speedlite also lacks the normal pins and only works on a Multi-Function shoe. I bet that would work on the R50. And look hilariously out of scale

ChrisPCrunch said:

Did anyone else notice in the product shots for the new R50 that there doesn't seem to be any hotshoe pin contacts? When they launched the SL3 Dslr there was discussion about how they dropped the center pin contact so that it wouldn't work with 3rd party flashes etc. But this is even more crazy! With no hotshoe contacts this won't even work with Canon brand flashes. How is the hotshoe even suppose to work - it looks more like a cold shoe?

Anyone know what's going on? Maybe when the manual is released we can find out more.

Chris

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This photo is from B&H.


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drsnoopy said:

I asked Gordon Laing (Cameralabs), who has reviewed the R50, for any information he could offer. Unfortunately he hadn’t checked the functionality of the R50 shoe and apologised. As noted above, on the other bodies with the new shoe, the standard Canon flash contacts are present, and you don’t actually need the AD-E1 adapter, except to maintain weather sealing. I do wonder whether the adapter would actually work on the R50 - what would it connect to? My suspicion is that the shoe is only for mounting a microphone.

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The Canon USA website explicitly states that it is needed to use a flash...so there would have to be contacts out of sight on the shoe.

cnyphotoguy said:

drsnoopy said:

I asked Gordon Laing (Cameralabs), who has reviewed the R50, for any information he could offer. Unfortunately he hadn’t checked the functionality of the R50 shoe and apologised. As noted above, on the other bodies with the new shoe, the standard Canon flash contacts are present, and you don’t actually need the AD-E1 adapter, except to maintain weather sealing. I do wonder whether the adapter would actually work on the R50 - what would it connect to? My suspicion is that the shoe is only for mounting a microphone.

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The Canon USA website explicitly states that it is needed to use a flash...so there would have to be contacts out of sight on the shoe.

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The adapter is a break off safety device that will break instead of destroying the hot shoe on the camera when a large flash is mounted and the camera is dropped ?

The R50 does not have a very strong hot shoe ?

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m100 said:

cnyphotoguy said:

drsnoopy said:

I asked Gordon Laing (Cameralabs), who has reviewed the R50, for any information he could offer. Unfortunately he hadn’t checked the functionality of the R50 shoe and apologised. As noted above, on the other bodies with the new shoe, the standard Canon flash contacts are present, and you don’t actually need the AD-E1 adapter, except to maintain weather sealing. I do wonder whether the adapter would actually work on the R50 - what would it connect to? My suspicion is that the shoe is only for mounting a microphone.

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The Canon USA website explicitly states that it is needed to use a flash...so there would have to be contacts out of sight on the shoe.

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The adapter is a break off safety device that will break instead of destroying the hot shoe on the camera when a large flash is mounted and the camera is dropped ?

The R50 does not have a very strong hot shoe ?

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No idea what tangent you're off on...the Canon USA website lists the adapter as needed to use traditional hot shoe devices. Seems pretty simple. Without the adapter the R50 can use anything designed for Canon's new multi-function


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Dareshooter said:

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Yes, that is the same connector under the front of the shoe on my R10, presumably with several conductors it has “multi functions”…!

But you won’t be able to use legacy EX series speedlites without the AD-E1, which will cost you an extra $50.