And by the way, pornography is now perfectly legal in the United States, as it should be.
...not that the current Supreme Court has any legitimacy whatsoever.
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...not that the current Supreme Court has any legitimacy whatsoever.
Agree with both comments!
NAwlins Contrarian
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The legal issues are considerably thornier than you suppose. Pornography is not "perfectly legal" in the United States. U.S. states are free to, and many of them do, criminalize 'obscenity' as defined under the U.S. Supreme Court's "Miller test".[1]
My home state, Louisiana, has a statutory obscenity crime, and the statute incorporates the Miller test.[2] Other states have similar laws.
And those laws sometimes result in prosecutions and even convictions. There was a well-publicized one here that ended just a few months ago, with a guilty plea to felony obscenity.[3]
Whatever the laws, prosecutors' approaches, and/or citizens' views in, e.g., California or New York, Mpix operates in Kansas and Missouri.[4] Under the Miller test, community standards control big parts of the test. As the Wikipedia page puts it, "What offends the average person in Manhattan, Kansas, may differ from what offends the average person in Manhattan, New York." I suspect Mpix is making a reasonable business decision to steer well clear of printing anything that could result in a prosecution. After all, e.g., one person's BDSM art photo is another person's "[some]thing that ... hints that a human being is being abused."
[1]See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test, from Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, 93 S. Ct. 2607, 37 L. Ed. 2d 419 (1973).
[2]See La. Rev. Stat. 14:106, available at https://legis.la.gov/legis/law.aspx?d=78258.
[3]See https://www.wafb.com/2022/11/22/ex-...-church-altar-pleads-guilty-felony-obscenity/.
[4]See https://www.mpix.com/about.
Yeah, well...
That says something about the average people in those places.
Seriously, the point is that anyone has a right to be offended by whatever they want. They don't have a right to inflict that on innocent people who just want their pictures printed.
(By the way, I'm not a big fan of hardcore porn myself, but I don't care if other people are.)
NAwlins Contrarian
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As previously stated, for whatever reason(s)--probably including much lower costs all around--Mpix operates in Kansas and Missouri. Maybe those wanting to order prints of images that Mpix won't print should find a printing service in, say, San Francisco.Yeah, well...
That says something about the average people in those places.
What if they didn't want to print pictures of Black or gay people because they were afraid of offending the people where they are?As previously stated, for whatever reason(s)--probably including much lower costs all around--Mpix operates in Kansas and Missouri. Maybe those wanting to order prints of images that Mpix won't print should find a printing service in, say, San Francisco.Yeah, well...
That says something about the average people in those places.
It doesn't feel like it, but we have *united* states in the United States - we're one country.
NAwlins Contrarian
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I think that puts it largely backward: one of the great aspects of the United States is that each state is a laboratory of democracy. The people of each state have great leeway to govern it as they think best. Conditions and sensibilities differ greatly among the states, and what makes sense or is best for one state may clearly not make sense or be best for another state. Over time what works or doesn't work becomes increasingly evident from the results of different states trying different approaches, and the country as a whole benefits. I mostly agree with Justice Brandeis:It doesn't feel like it, but we have *united* states in the United States - we're one country.Maybe those wanting to order prints of images that Mpix won't print should find a printing service in, say, San Francisco.That says something about the average people in those places.
New State Ice Co. v. Liebmann, 285 U.S. 262, 311, 52 S. Ct. 371, ___, 76 L. Ed. 747, ___ (1932) (Brandeis, J., dissenting).
And with that digression from getting photos printed into American civics and government, I think I'll avoid further discussion of it here. We've gotten quite off-topic, and IMO we should stop (or take it to the Open Talk forum).
DirkPeh
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But about half of them are discriminated against by Ignorance. Here in Berlin, we have a feminist movement that organises protests for women to show their breasts just like men are allowed to. Last year a woman was removed from a public park by the police, because she took a sunbath topless.Considering that there are now about 7 billion human breasts in the world, it's sort of hard to understand why anyone cared.good reason to do the printing yourself, I guess.
This was followed by a topless protest march.
I can’t post pics here, not even of their posters.
We don't experiment with people's rights in the laboratory of democracy. Yeah the states' rights debate will always be ongoing, but we also have a Constitution.
Whether a business has the right to refuse to print naked pictures isn't mentioned in it, of course, and this isn't really a violation of our inalienable rights. But still.
In any case, people's prints aren't displayed to every customer, just to the employee doing the printing. So I don't see how the location would have anything to do with how well the business does.
Bottom line, I consider this whole issue totally silly! Bring on the nudes!
Correct.I think that puts it largely backward: one of the great aspects of the United States is that each state is a laboratory of democracy.It doesn't feel like it, but we have *united* states in the United States - we're one country.Maybe those wanting to order prints of images that Mpix won't print should find a printing service in, say, San Francisco.That says something about the average people in those places.
The people of each state have great leeway to govern it as they think best. Conditions and sensibilities differ greatly among the states, and what makes sense or is best for one state may clearly not make sense or be best for another state. Over time what works or doesn't work becomes increasingly evident from the results of different states trying different approaches, and the country as a whole benefits....
Community standard(s) which play a large role in marketing and business in general.
Walgreens in FL and LA use to print full frontal nudity (adults only), in the 90's and early aughts, but I think it basically depends on the individual store and the clerk doing the processing.
What I use to do back when laws actually existed against such, was have a friend print my films at a university lab for a fee. Worked beautifully. Today if I had to print non-client nudes, I'd just find a lab tech that would print my order, get their cell number, and only deal with that person and pay them extra on the side, to print whatever (legal imagery) that I bring in.
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