After Trying A A7R5

River Photography · Dec 31, 2022

why dont you buy the canon R6ii its suppose to be the best camera on the market bar none, just like the om1 was an A1 killer, yet there is a current thread going on m43 for where a guy is not happy with the af performance of his om1 and is thinking of buying the canon R6ii. must be a hell of a camera if the om1 is better than the A1 and the canon is better than the om1 ;-) 40 frames per sec and pre burst takes 10 secs to clear to 2x sd cards the r6ii sounds top of the range to me ;-)

Rp

Mr_Win · Dec 31, 2022

Magnar W said:
ProDude said:

I've come to the conclusion that for ME (probably nobody else on this forum or maybe a few) I won't be committing to a Sony body till they produce a:

* 50-60mp sensor with BSI and Stacked with a very very fast speed sensor to eliminate any rolling shutter.

* Have the updated and maybe even more so improved AI chips for best subject tracking in it.

* Keep that 9.7 Million Dot EVF but speed it up so it doesn't drop it's frame rate when shooting.

* Has the screen of at least the A7R5 design

* I don't care if it has a mechanical shutter, better yet something like the Z9 Nikon but have it be so there are NO drawbacks such as use with a flash sync speeds or issues with LED lighting.

I'm pretty sure there is a very high possibility if a A1MkII comes out it will be as described above. But if they bring out any hammers forget about it. Guess the next year or so will be quite revealing as to what is coming out. I don't see Sony resting on their laurels not updating the A1 at this point. Down a nearby road are some high performing Nikon and Canon's on the horizon. Time for Sony to step things up a notch.

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Most of us buy the camera that fills our needs. Waiting for the "perfect" camera doesn't produce anything at all.

*Slow clap*

the perfect camera doesn’t exist, there are too many opinions on what is perfect.

ProDude · Dec 31, 2022

River Photography said:
why dont you buy the canon R6ii its suppose to be the best camera on the market bar none, just like the om1 was an A1 killer, yet there is a current thread going on m43 for where a guy is not happy with the af performance of his om1 and is thinking of buying the canon R6ii. must be a hell of a camera if the om1 is better than the A1 and the canon is better than the om1 ;-) 40 frames per sec and pre burst takes 10 secs to clear to 2x sd cards the r6ii sounds top of the range to me ;-)

Rp

First of all the vast majority of OM-1 owners don't even know how to properly set up their focus system. Which accounts for almost all those that might have a complaint. The way I managed to get it set up it nails whatever I aim at moving or otherwise. Although it can easily shoot 50fps without blackout I don't even shoot those kinds of subjects. But it's there for those that care. The Canon isn't in this league in this regard of course so not sure why in the world you're recommending I do that move. Someone on a forum has issues so that makes it a global problem? NOT! I admire Canon and all they do, but I've come to discover that this OM-1 is more a monster then it's getting credit for. I keep trying out the so called latest greatest out there only to find they aren't happening. I will certainly be curious to end up seeing what Canon eventually does with the R1. But I'm pretty sure it will make the A1 price seem cheap. Not a direction I'd be going. The primary reason I'd also be curious to see how far Sony can go in the near future is their lens options are wonderful. That Tamron 35-150 I tried was one impressive lens. We'll just wait and see what develops.

ProDude · Dec 31, 2022

Mr_Win said:
Magnar W said:

ProDude said:

I've come to the conclusion that for ME (probably nobody else on this forum or maybe a few) I won't be committing to a Sony body till they produce a:

* 50-60mp sensor with BSI and Stacked with a very very fast speed sensor to eliminate any rolling shutter.

* Have the updated and maybe even more so improved AI chips for best subject tracking in it.

* Keep that 9.7 Million Dot EVF but speed it up so it doesn't drop it's frame rate when shooting.

* Has the screen of at least the A7R5 design

* I don't care if it has a mechanical shutter, better yet something like the Z9 Nikon but have it be so there are NO drawbacks such as use with a flash sync speeds or issues with LED lighting.

I'm pretty sure there is a very high possibility if a A1MkII comes out it will be as described above. But if they bring out any hammers forget about it. Guess the next year or so will be quite revealing as to what is coming out. I don't see Sony resting on their laurels not updating the A1 at this point. Down a nearby road are some high performing Nikon and Canon's on the horizon. Time for Sony to step things up a notch.

Click to expand...

Most of us buy the camera that fills our needs. Waiting for the "perfect" camera doesn't produce anything at all.

Click to expand...

*Slow clap*

the perfect camera doesn’t exist, there are too many opinions on what is perfect.

I'm still working my jobs so its not slowing me down. Just keep up on what's going on in the industry and trying them out when I get the chance.

River Photography · Dec 31, 2022

ProDude said:
River Photography said:

why dont you buy the canon R6ii its suppose to be the best camera on the market bar none, just like the om1 was an A1 killer, yet there is a current thread going on m43 for where a guy is not happy with the af performance of his om1 and is thinking of buying the canon R6ii. must be a hell of a camera if the om1 is better than the A1 and the canon is better than the om1 ;-) 40 frames per sec and pre burst takes 10 secs to clear to 2x sd cards the r6ii sounds top of the range to me ;-)

Rp

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First of all the vast majority of OM-1 owners don't even know how to properly set up their focus system. Which accounts for almost all those that might have a complaint. The way I managed to get it set up it nails whatever I aim at moving or otherwise. Although it can easily shoot 50fps without blackout I don't even shoot those kinds of subjects. But it's there for those that care. The Canon isn't in this league in this regard of course so not sure why in the world you're recommending I do that move. Someone on a forum has issues so that makes it a global problem? NOT! I admire Canon and all they do, but I've come to discover that this OM-1 is more a monster then it's getting credit for. I keep trying out the so called latest greatest out there only to find they aren't happening. I will certainly be curious to end up seeing what Canon eventually does with the R1. But I'm pretty sure it will make the A1 price seem cheap. Not a direction I'd be going. The primary reason I'd also be curious to see how far Sony can go in the near future is their lens options are wonderful. That Tamron 35-150 I tried was one impressive lens. We'll just wait and see what develops.

i was impressed with the hi iso performance of the r5 the other day on some test charts i looked at, till i read on the canon forum thats its totally manipulating the raw files way beyond everyone else. but i must admit even if it was the detail and low noise was far superior to the a7r5 and only just marginally better than the a74. but the DR did suffer quite a bit in the process.

Rp

ProDude · Dec 31, 2022

River Photography said:
ProDude said:

River Photography said:

why dont you buy the canon R6ii its suppose to be the best camera on the market bar none, just like the om1 was an A1 killer, yet there is a current thread going on m43 for where a guy is not happy with the af performance of his om1 and is thinking of buying the canon R6ii. must be a hell of a camera if the om1 is better than the A1 and the canon is better than the om1 ;-) 40 frames per sec and pre burst takes 10 secs to clear to 2x sd cards the r6ii sounds top of the range to me ;-)

Rp

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First of all the vast majority of OM-1 owners don't even know how to properly set up their focus system. Which accounts for almost all those that might have a complaint. The way I managed to get it set up it nails whatever I aim at moving or otherwise. Although it can easily shoot 50fps without blackout I don't even shoot those kinds of subjects. But it's there for those that care. The Canon isn't in this league in this regard of course so not sure why in the world you're recommending I do that move. Someone on a forum has issues so that makes it a global problem? NOT! I admire Canon and all they do, but I've come to discover that this OM-1 is more a monster then it's getting credit for. I keep trying out the so called latest greatest out there only to find they aren't happening. I will certainly be curious to end up seeing what Canon eventually does with the R1. But I'm pretty sure it will make the A1 price seem cheap. Not a direction I'd be going. The primary reason I'd also be curious to see how far Sony can go in the near future is their lens options are wonderful. That Tamron 35-150 I tried was one impressive lens. We'll just wait and see what develops.

Click to expand...

i was impressed with the hi iso performance of the r5 the other day on some test charts i looked at, till i read on the canon forum thats its totally manipulating the raw files way beyond everyone else. but i must admit even if it was the detail and low noise was far superior to the a7r5 and only just marginally better than the a74. but the DR did suffer quite a bit in the process.

Rp

Yeah it's not a well received bit of news, but in the tests I did at ISO3200 the OM-1 had LESS noise then the A7R5. When I was deciding whether or not to keep the R5 back in June, the shots I took with the R5 and OM-1 were at ISO8000 and 12,800. A quick run through Topaz DeNoise AI rendered images that were nearly indistinguishable. That's all I needed to see. Yes the R5 will render a little less noise then the A7R5. But these days between DXO and Topaz I don't even concern myself with noise.

Paul12 · Jan 1, 2023

Dear, I suppose you are in the luxury position of having a lot of time available since you are present in every forum ;-)
After reading all your comments on different cameras I became curious about your work and have looked at your pictures that you have here on your profile...honestly I have to admit that I am more impressed by your writing on the different forums instead of your photography skills ..maybe a mobile phone is the perfect camera for you?

ActionPhotoPassion · Jan 1, 2023

Since the announcement of PDAF into S5 mark 2, the L-mount is coming back from the dead to me.

An S1R of 50+ mpx with PDAF 9 fps mech / 20+ fps e-shutter is the ML I need in the form factor of A-mount camera bodies and the goodies from Panasonic.

Prolly you could reconsider the incoming L-mount bodies.

Happy new year 2023.

--
Portfolio: https://www.actionphotopassion.com

dka91 · Jan 1, 2023

"After Trying A A7R5".

Lol, by trying you mean buying it without real intention of keeping it then "testing" it extensively before abusing the return policy.

dka91 · Jan 1, 2023

Paul12 said:
Dear, I suppose you are in the luxury position of having a lot of time available since you are present in every forum ;-)
After reading all your comments on different cameras I became curious about your work and have looked at your pictures that you have here on your profile...honestly I have to admit that I am more impressed by your writing on the different forums instead of your photography skills ..maybe a mobile phone is the perfect camera for you?

Oh dear.....ProDude is going to need some ice for that burn!

ActionPhotoPassion · Jan 1, 2023

dka91 said:
"After Trying A A7R5".

Lol, by trying you mean buying it without real intention of keeping it then "testing" it extensively before abusing the return policy.

I'd really like to be able to do that. But this policy is not existing in Europe. The good thing is that when you buy new, it's new never opened always. But if you wanna try something there are not much of a solution : rent, photo shows and friends which are most of the time more complicated than your buy/return policy

Interceptor121 · Jan 1, 2023

ProDude said:
I've come to the conclusion that for ME (probably nobody else on this forum or maybe a few) I won't be committing to a Sony body till they produce a:

* 50-60mp sensor with BSI and Stacked with a very very fast speed sensor to eliminate any rolling shutter.

they have it already

Member said:
* Have the updated and maybe even more so improved AI chips for best subject tracking in it.

AI subject detection and tracking are two different things. Detection helps to understand what subject may be hut doesn’t track on its own. There are some situations where detection helps tracking. A person turning away from the camera or an animal not showing eyes etc

Integrating the two functionalities is not easy. I would be curious to stress test this but with a slow readout sensor this is a no go

Member said:
* Keep that 9.7 Million Dot EVF but speed it up so it doesn't drop it's frame rate when shooting.

my A1 EVF doesn’t drop anything?

Member said:
* Has the screen of at least the A7R5 design

I suppose you refer to the full articulated design? That indeed is useful

Member said:
* I don't care if it has a mechanical shutter, better yet something like the Z9 Nikon but have it be so there are NO drawbacks such as use with a flash sync speeds or issues with LED lighting.

I'm pretty sure there is a very high possibility if a A1MkII comes out it will be as described above. But if they bring out any hammers forget about it. Guess the next year or so will be quite revealing as to what is coming out. I don't see Sony resting on their laurels not updating the A1 at this point. Down a nearby road are some high performing Nikon and Canon's on the horizon. Time for Sony to step things up a notch.

River Photography · Jan 1, 2023

dka91 said:
"After Trying A A7R5".

Lol, by trying you mean buying it without real intention of keeping it then "testing" it extensively before abusing the return policy.

agree its terrible. i just watched a ut where guy bought a om1 on black friday sale ,then bought a sony a74 with return policy and tried convincing himself that the om1 was a better camera. it wasnt even close, why do people compare apples with potato's. the video auto focus on the om1 was so unreliable and agricultural compared to the smooth a74. what did surprise me is the video stabilization on the sony was equally as good as the olympus for walking content.

Rp

yysc · Jan 1, 2023

River Photography said:
dka91 said:

"After Trying A A7R5".

Lol, by trying you mean buying it without real intention of keeping it then "testing" it extensively before abusing the return policy.

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agree its terrible. i just watched a ut where guy bought a om1 on black friday sale ,then bought a sony a74 with return policy and tried convincing himself that the om1 was a better camera. it wasnt even close, why do people compare apples with potato's. the video auto focus on the om1 was so unreliable and agricultural compared to the smooth a74. what did surprise me is the video stabilization on the sony was equally as good as the olympus for walking content.

Rp

And with the smaller M43 sensor there is always less DR, worse tonality, often not shallow enough DOF. Reducing the IQ difference to just "image noise" is silly.

With M43 you gain mobility (smaller lenses) and reach, everything else is a trade-off.

River Photography · Jan 1, 2023

yysc said:
River Photography said:

dka91 said:

"After Trying A A7R5".

Lol, by trying you mean buying it without real intention of keeping it then "testing" it extensively before abusing the return policy.

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agree its terrible. i just watched a ut where guy bought a om1 on black friday sale ,then bought a sony a74 with return policy and tried convincing himself that the om1 was a better camera. it wasnt even close, why do people compare apples with potato's. the video auto focus on the om1 was so unreliable and agricultural compared to the smooth a74. what did surprise me is the video stabilization on the sony was equally as good as the olympus for walking content.

Rp

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And with the smaller M43 sensor there is always less DR, worse tonality, often not shallow enough DOF. Reducing the IQ difference to just "image noise" is silly.

With M43 you gain mobility (smaller lenses) and reach, everything else is a trade-off.

i never bought a larger camera bag when switching to FF from m43 i used the same one. sure my current kit is larger using the 2 zooms. but when i take the zooms off and put the samyang 45 1.8 and 24 2.8 on and take the bottom plate off the a74 there is no difference. if i want even smaller i just put those lens on my a6300

now thats tiny. great using 2 sensor sizes with same lens mount.

Rp

AlephNull · Jan 1, 2023

ProDude said:
I've come to the conclusion that for ME (probably nobody else on this forum or maybe a few) I won't be committing to a Sony body till they produce a:

* 50-60mp sensor with BSI and Stacked with a very very fast speed sensor to eliminate any rolling shutter.

* Have the updated and maybe even more so improved AI chips for best subject tracking in it.

* Keep that 9.7 Million Dot EVF but speed it up so it doesn't drop it's frame rate when shooting.

* Has the screen of at least the A7R5 design

* I don't care if it has a mechanical shutter, better yet something like the Z9 Nikon but have it be so there are NO drawbacks such as use with a flash sync speeds or issues with LED lighting.

I'm pretty sure there is a very high possibility if a A1MkII comes out it will be as described above. But if they bring out any hammers forget about it. Guess the next year or so will be quite revealing as to what is coming out. I don't see Sony resting on their laurels not updating the A1 at this point. Down a nearby road are some high performing Nikon and Canon's on the horizon. Time for Sony to step things up a notch.

This sounds a lot like someone we used to hear from (he hasn't been around for a while), who always had a reason that he wasn't going to buy the latest camera. I don't know if he ever bought a camera, but he had a whole list of excuses (maybe we stopped hearing from him because he bought a camera? But that sounds so unlikely!).

Why do people think they have to have a single camera that does absolutely everything? And they always seem to make it sound like Sony OWES it to them to create their ultimate camera, which all the features that they deem to be utterly essential.

I like learning what each new camera does really well, so I know when I want to use which camera. And sometimes I commit heresy, and take TWO cameras at once!

Oh, and I have thoroughly enjoyed the last three cameras that I pre-ordered, and still own: the A7RIV, the A1, and the A7RV..

Interceptor121 · Jan 1, 2023

yysc said:
River Photography said:

dka91 said:

"After Trying A A7R5".

Lol, by trying you mean buying it without real intention of keeping it then "testing" it extensively before abusing the return policy.

Click to expand...

agree its terrible. i just watched a ut where guy bought a om1 on black friday sale ,then bought a sony a74 with return policy and tried convincing himself that the om1 was a better camera. it wasnt even close, why do people compare apples with potato's. the video auto focus on the om1 was so unreliable and agricultural compared to the smooth a74. what did surprise me is the video stabilization on the sony was equally as good as the olympus for walking content.

Rp

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And with the smaller M43 sensor there is always less DR, worse tonality, often not shallow enough DOF. Reducing the IQ difference to just "image noise" is silly.

With M43 you gain mobility (smaller lenses) and reach, everything else is a trade-off.

I have an A1 and I need to keep the MFT rig for two use cases

macro

long lens wildlife video where IBIS matters

in those scenarios the full frame look doesn’t matter

ukbassman · Jan 1, 2023

Unfortunately these people seem too stupid to realise that in a year or twos time when all that stuff exists, there will be new headline features from manufacturers that they will then want to add to the list. They basically just want a camera that is better than anything that will ever exist so that they can kid themselves they don't have to buy another camera!

Eg everyone now has an AI focus chip as their minimum entry standard - we didn't even know that was a thing until a few months ago, but now it's "essential"! Sure, I'd love a camera with all those features, but not for three times the price of the A7IV I just bought. When all those features make their way into a £1700 camera than I'm in!

alphaZ · Jan 1, 2023

ProDude said:
I've come to the conclusion that for ME (probably nobody else on this forum or maybe a few) I won't be committing to a Sony body till they produce a:

* 50-60mp sensor with BSI and Stacked with a very very fast speed sensor to eliminate any rolling shutter.

* Have the updated and maybe even more so improved AI chips for best subject tracking in it.

* Keep that 9.7 Million Dot EVF but speed it up so it doesn't drop it's frame rate when shooting.

* Has the screen of at least the A7R5 design

* I don't care if it has a mechanical shutter, better yet something like the Z9 Nikon but have it be so there are NO drawbacks such as use with a flash sync speeds or issues with LED lighting.

I'm pretty sure there is a very high possibility if a A1MkII comes out it will be as described above. But if they bring out any hammers forget about it. Guess the next year or so will be quite revealing as to what is coming out. I don't see Sony resting on their laurels not updating the A1 at this point. Down a nearby road are some high performing Nikon and Canon's on the horizon. Time for Sony to step things up a notch.

Honestly, I'd skip the A7r5 and just get the A1, been around the block with just about everything and nothing is as compact/fast with exceptional iq like the A1 currently or for the foreseeable!

j tokarz · Jan 1, 2023

Lots and lots of people do as you say.

After Trying A A7R5

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