What's the deal with the X-T5 autofocus?

I haven't used an X-T5 yet but, like most Fujis, I doubt that anything works optimally at the default settings (and that goes with its RAW files as well). Fuji cameras have always required a certain level of technical understanding and craft to work their best. Sony's AF seems to be pretty much idiot proof and works great no matter what you do. Fuji AF has never been that way (and no, I'm not suggesting this is a good thing) . With some experience and experimentation you should probably be able to get very reliable results in most situations, but you probably won't right out of the box. Frankly, I almost never miss focus with my dinosaur X-T2. I plan on getting an X-T5 at some point and am not overly concerned about the AF. I'll figure it out one way or another. If there are any genuine bugs with the X-T5, I'm sure Fuji will sort them out.
One of the main finger pointing you're doing it wrong thing with X-T5 focus issue is people leaving the default "release" priority mode instead of using "focus"

My A7RV has "release" / "focus" priority just like Fuji, but it's default setting is "Balanced Emphasis" which auto detect decides when to use "release" or "focus". Wonder if Fuji could implement that.
Under no circumstances can I get any of my Fujis to shoot without acquiring focus first regardless of the priority setting in AF-S. I've tried. I get perfect focus either way.

I don’t use AF-C much, but focus priority seems like a no-brainer (if it actually makes a difference).
Focus priority defiantly results in sharp images when in AF-C. It can also result in missed images. Which would you rather have? Slightly soft or missing the moment?

As you said Eric, it is critical that a photographer understand there camera.

Morris
 
I haven't used an X-T5 yet but, like most Fujis, I doubt that anything works optimally at the default settings (and that goes with its RAW files as well). Fuji cameras have always required a certain level of technical understanding and craft to work their best. Sony's AF seems to be pretty much idiot proof and works great no matter what you do. Fuji AF has never been that way (and no, I'm not suggesting this is a good thing) . With some experience and experimentation you should probably be able to get very reliable results in most situations, but you probably won't right out of the box. Frankly, I almost never miss focus with my dinosaur X-T2. I plan on getting an X-T5 at some point and am not overly concerned about the AF. I'll figure it out one way or another. If there are any genuine bugs with the X-T5, I'm sure Fuji will sort them out.
One of the main finger pointing you're doing it wrong thing with X-T5 focus issue is people leaving the default "release" priority mode instead of using "focus"

My A7RV has "release" / "focus" priority just like Fuji, but it's default setting is "Balanced Emphasis" which auto detect decides when to use "release" or "focus". Wonder if Fuji could implement that.
Well the XT5 is not an A7R5, now is it? Maybe with the Fuji AF it is a better choice to use focus release when shooting burst in AFC, did you ever consider that? The XT5 just came out, you could not have had in your hands for more that a week or two and you are telling everyone here what the best setting are?
No A7R5 is not a XT5, but it is still a camera that does AF just like any other camera.
No, the focus systems are quite different. Understand the way the system you have is critical. Furthermore, the differences are what drives compaction which drives innovation.
Not telling people what the "best" settings are. From release priority, AF+MF, lens motor, processing capacity, user error, etc... We don't even know what exactly is the issue.
There is no correct setting. The photographers needs to understand what they want to achieve and then chose the settings that will make this happen. Take Focus Priority for example. One photographer will want every image tack sharp. Then there is the photographer that must capture a specific moment. They don't want the camera delaying when they trip the shutter. One photographer may love the look of an older lens that focus slower and this results in some blurred images. So what, they get the gorgons image they want. Another wants everything crisp and goes for a faster focusing lens with less personality.
Just discussing things others have mentioned as counter argument for these video/post regarding soft/miss focus. One of them was Jarred Z video which spearheaded the chatter.
Jarred Z is a great source of chatter. If he is your idle, so be it.

Morris
"Release" priority - some prefer blasting away give me everything even if out of focus or slightly off.

"Focus" priority - some don't like culling through everything and just want shots with focus.

Advanced users would use the tools to optimize the shot they want. Most others might not or realize options exist beyond default. No best route catering to all.
drives innovation
Sony added "Balanced Emphasis" as default option for a reason. Sounds like innovation. Still not the best, but it balances between the two. Maybe Fuji will add this too. It is a suggestion. Adv users can still choose "release" or "priority", but the rest can get more out of balanced.

Like driving stick shift cars. Shift at the right time to squeeze out every ounce of performance. Avg user would not achieve that. Then comes automatic transmission. You basically just drive without thinking, no need to understand and come close.
Jarred Z is a great source of chatter. If he is your idle, so be it.
Not my idle (idol) whatever. Just someone that sparked chatter on a subject that might or might not be an issue. Reference him since the debate around release/focus priority originated there.

I'll watch/read whatever content out there that is in the spot light. Right or wrong. Even your content/guide on "settings/config". They all bring something to the table.
 
Altogether i would say I would quite agree about your 2 main points : 1/-the system needs to be clearer and/or simpler

2/- The communication of Fuji is just terrible, manual explanations are difficult to understand and the lack of comprehensive non english manual is just a fault and an offence to the customer that pays 2000€/$ and cannot get a tool to master the machine easily. Btw this is a common situation in informatics, either A...e or M.......t so as an intensive user of these machines I'm rather trained to find my own way.....

As my permanent realistic position in life I did the job of experimenting what makes the camera ok. At this point I just posted my opinions, experinec and practice.

Thx for discussion.

Bob
Agree. My other main point is that, as a photographer, I have enough on my plate with sorting out the logistics of a shoot and grappling with the creative aspects of the job. The last thing I need is having to spend weeks trying to find the specific arcane settings I need for every single shooting situation that should be straightforward for a camera at this price point in 2022.

I can live with the system being unnecessarily complicated to set up, but the least the manufacturer can do is help its users do their job by issuing specific detailed guidelines.

Thanks to you too for keeping the discussion rational and civil.
Do you really think that a professional tennis play or golfer would buy a brand new racket or clubs and expect them to improve his/her game "right out of the box." I've played enough tennis at a pretty high club level to know it takes several months of practice and drills to understand just how new equipment no matter how good impacts their game and to develop the muscle memory to use the advances in the racquet technology.

Every generation from wood to metal to to wood/graphite composite to to metal graphite composites to pure graphite to ceramic from standard size head, to mid size head to oversized head. They all have advantages and they all play different. When I was playing for the Annapolis (MD) tennis club team - we would lick our chops when a opponent showed bragging about the brand new racquet he had just picked up and was using in the match. The normally turned out very well for our team.

Sure one can read the specs but all the technical specs don't translate to you and your game, It takes practice and drills with the racquet and develop a feel for how to get the best out of it - or in some cases when the racquet does not match your game well. You even have to learn how to best have your racquet strung with what types of string so it improves your game. At that point one has to work with the equipment to develop the muscle memory so one does not have to think about his shots.

A camera with advanced technology - how is that different? I actually don't think it is.
I've no idea what a professional tennis or golfer does, but I know that a professional photographer has better things to do than spend weeks trying to establish just which of many possible AF-C setting combinations are better for different shooting scenarios.
That is precisely what a professional photographer should do. I would never take a paid gig without knowing my equipment inside and out after thoroughly exploring how to get the most out of it in any scenario that I would be likely to encounter, especially a wedding where do-overs aren't really an option. Modern cameras are complex devices, each with their own unique quirks, and aren't likely going to be optimized for every shooting situation (or photographer) right out of the box. If you can't be bothered to completely familiarize yourself with your new tools, any problems that might befall you are really your own fault.
I would think "professionals" would do whatever it takes to make "money"

Whatever works, easier and faster to generate money. If knowing every nook/cranny a prerequisite to ensure the money then it will be done. If a feature/system comes that eliminate/lessen that burden then it will be std practice.

Some day AI will completely take over, read our minds, and generate exactly what we want. With one phrase "Hello Skynet, I want that shot"
 
I am not sure what's the grey area in between Focus Priority and Release Priority....

You either do it or you don't :-D

But I can understand why Fuji set to release priority as default, if they had it in focus priority out of the box, some users may complain this camera cannot shoot 15fps as claimed...
 
Altogether i would say I would quite agree about your 2 main points : 1/-the system needs to be clearer and/or simpler

2/- The communication of Fuji is just terrible, manual explanations are difficult to understand and the lack of comprehensive non english manual is just a fault and an offence to the customer that pays 2000€/$ and cannot get a tool to master the machine easily. Btw this is a common situation in informatics, either A...e or M.......t so as an intensive user of these machines I'm rather trained to find my own way.....

As my permanent realistic position in life I did the job of experimenting what makes the camera ok. At this point I just posted my opinions, experinec and practice.

Thx for discussion.

Bob
Agree. My other main point is that, as a photographer, I have enough on my plate with sorting out the logistics of a shoot and grappling with the creative aspects of the job. The last thing I need is having to spend weeks trying to find the specific arcane settings I need for every single shooting situation that should be straightforward for a camera at this price point in 2022.

I can live with the system being unnecessarily complicated to set up, but the least the manufacturer can do is help its users do their job by issuing specific detailed guidelines.

Thanks to you too for keeping the discussion rational and civil.
Do you really think that a professional tennis play or golfer would buy a brand new racket or clubs and expect them to improve his/her game "right out of the box." I've played enough tennis at a pretty high club level to know it takes several months of practice and drills to understand just how new equipment no matter how good impacts their game and to develop the muscle memory to use the advances in the racquet technology.

Every generation from wood to metal to to wood/graphite composite to to metal graphite composites to pure graphite to ceramic from standard size head, to mid size head to oversized head. They all have advantages and they all play different. When I was playing for the Annapolis (MD) tennis club team - we would lick our chops when a opponent showed bragging about the brand new racquet he had just picked up and was using in the match. The normally turned out very well for our team.

Sure one can read the specs but all the technical specs don't translate to you and your game, It takes practice and drills with the racquet and develop a feel for how to get the best out of it - or in some cases when the racquet does not match your game well. You even have to learn how to best have your racquet strung with what types of string so it improves your game. At that point one has to work with the equipment to develop the muscle memory so one does not have to think about his shots.

A camera with advanced technology - how is that different? I actually don't think it is.
I've no idea what a professional tennis or golfer does, but I know that a professional photographer has better things to do than spend weeks trying to establish just which of many possible AF-C setting combinations are better for different shooting scenarios. AF-C systems that mostly work "straight out the box" are no longer a novelty in 2022 at this price point. That's all I know.
Really? I thought pros rarely change their equipment for that exact reason, that what they already know with their tried and true equipment won’t translate exactly to the new set up without a bit of time and work.
 
I am not sure what's the grey area in between Focus Priority and Release Priority....

You either do it or you don't :-D

But I can understand why Fuji set to release priority as default, if they had it in focus priority out of the box, some users may complain this camera cannot shoot 15fps as claimed...
No clue what the algorithm for "balanced emphasis" is or how it determine which mode to use. Maybe it starts tracking with "focus" priority until it notice subject is moving faster than usual and switches to "release" dynamically.
 
I am not sure what's the grey area in between Focus Priority and Release Priority....

You either do it or you don't :-D

But I can understand why Fuji set to release priority as default, if they had it in focus priority out of the box, some users may complain this camera cannot shoot 15fps as claimed...
Has Fuji changed from the default being Focus? That's what it was on the X-T3. It is release on the X-H2s.

Morris
 
"Release" priority - some prefer blasting away give me everything even if out of focus or slightly off.

"Focus" priority - some don't like culling through everything and just want shots with focus.

Advanced users would use the tools to optimize the shot they want. Most others might not or realize options exist beyond default. No best route catering to all.
All I can say is that if "others might not realise options exist beyond default", then they should look to themselves. How can one possibly make best use of technology if one does not take the time/trouble (after spending £1700 or any currency) to understand the settings and set them according to the subject matter?

The manual may not be the best, but it does cover this pretty well on P158.

The notion that everything just works out of the box for every user in every photographic scenario is ...
 
Altogether i would say I would quite agree about your 2 main points : 1/-the system needs to be clearer and/or simpler

2/- The communication of Fuji is just terrible, manual explanations are difficult to understand and the lack of comprehensive non english manual is just a fault and an offence to the customer that pays 2000€/$ and cannot get a tool to master the machine easily. Btw this is a common situation in informatics, either A...e or M.......t so as an intensive user of these machines I'm rather trained to find my own way.....

As my permanent realistic position in life I did the job of experimenting what makes the camera ok. At this point I just posted my opinions, experinec and practice.

Thx for discussion.

Bob
Agree. My other main point is that, as a photographer, I have enough on my plate with sorting out the logistics of a shoot and grappling with the creative aspects of the job. The last thing I need is having to spend weeks trying to find the specific arcane settings I need for every single shooting situation that should be straightforward for a camera at this price point in 2022.

I can live with the system being unnecessarily complicated to set up, but the least the manufacturer can do is help its users do their job by issuing specific detailed guidelines.

Thanks to you too for keeping the discussion rational and civil.
Do you really think that a professional tennis play or golfer would buy a brand new racket or clubs and expect them to improve his/her game "right out of the box." I've played enough tennis at a pretty high club level to know it takes several months of practice and drills to understand just how new equipment no matter how good impacts their game and to develop the muscle memory to use the advances in the racquet technology.

Every generation from wood to metal to to wood/graphite composite to to metal graphite composites to pure graphite to ceramic from standard size head, to mid size head to oversized head. They all have advantages and they all play different. When I was playing for the Annapolis (MD) tennis club team - we would lick our chops when a opponent showed bragging about the brand new racquet he had just picked up and was using in the match. The normally turned out very well for our team.

Sure one can read the specs but all the technical specs don't translate to you and your game, It takes practice and drills with the racquet and develop a feel for how to get the best out of it - or in some cases when the racquet does not match your game well. You even have to learn how to best have your racquet strung with what types of string so it improves your game. At that point one has to work with the equipment to develop the muscle memory so one does not have to think about his shots.

A camera with advanced technology - how is that different? I actually don't think it is.
I've no idea what a professional tennis or golfer does, but I know that a professional photographer has better things to do than spend weeks trying to establish just which of many possible AF-C setting combinations are better for different shooting scenarios. AF-C systems that mostly work "straight out the box" are no longer a novelty in 2022 at this price point. That's all I know.
Really? I thought pros rarely change their equipment for that exact reason, that what they already know with their tried and true equipment won’t translate exactly to the new set up without a bit of time and work.
Exactly. So, if upgrading within the same system is going to take as much time and work to get such a basic feature as AF-C to work as advertised, for some users it can make more sense to invest that time into understanding another system that, along with other advantages, will provide more reliable results in that department with the same or less time and effort.
 
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"AF-C to work as advertised"

Or as expected, as hoped for or even as imagined?

Anyhow are there any really good comparisons published between systems?

I don't need the sort of AF people talk about on here but I do wonder if people are simply expecting too much and there isn't as big a gap between marques as often thought.

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there isn't as big a gap between marques as often thought.
Agree Implementation is different, ease of use as well, but final perfomance probably quite close.
 
Altogether i would say I would quite agree about your 2 main points : 1/-the system needs to be clearer and/or simpler

2/- The communication of Fuji is just terrible, manual explanations are difficult to understand and the lack of comprehensive non english manual is just a fault and an offence to the customer that pays 2000€/$ and cannot get a tool to master the machine easily. Btw this is a common situation in informatics, either A...e or M.......t so as an intensive user of these machines I'm rather trained to find my own way.....

As my permanent realistic position in life I did the job of experimenting what makes the camera ok. At this point I just posted my opinions, experinec and practice.

Thx for discussion.

Bob
Agree. My other main point is that, as a photographer, I have enough on my plate with sorting out the logistics of a shoot and grappling with the creative aspects of the job. The last thing I need is having to spend weeks trying to find the specific arcane settings I need for every single shooting situation that should be straightforward for a camera at this price point in 2022.

I can live with the system being unnecessarily complicated to set up, but the least the manufacturer can do is help its users do their job by issuing specific detailed guidelines.

Thanks to you too for keeping the discussion rational and civil.
Do you really think that a professional tennis play or golfer would buy a brand new racket or clubs and expect them to improve his/her game "right out of the box." I've played enough tennis at a pretty high club level to know it takes several months of practice and drills to understand just how new equipment no matter how good impacts their game and to develop the muscle memory to use the advances in the racquet technology.

Every generation from wood to metal to to wood/graphite composite to to metal graphite composites to pure graphite to ceramic from standard size head, to mid size head to oversized head. They all have advantages and they all play different. When I was playing for the Annapolis (MD) tennis club team - we would lick our chops when a opponent showed bragging about the brand new racquet he had just picked up and was using in the match. The normally turned out very well for our team.

Sure one can read the specs but all the technical specs don't translate to you and your game, It takes practice and drills with the racquet and develop a feel for how to get the best out of it - or in some cases when the racquet does not match your game well. You even have to learn how to best have your racquet strung with what types of string so it improves your game. At that point one has to work with the equipment to develop the muscle memory so one does not have to think about his shots.

A camera with advanced technology - how is that different? I actually don't think it is.
I've no idea what a professional tennis or golfer does, but I know that a professional photographer has better things to do than spend weeks trying to establish just which of many possible AF-C setting combinations are better for different shooting scenarios.
That is precisely what a professional photographer should do. I would never take a paid gig without knowing my equipment inside and out after thoroughly exploring how to get the most out of it in any scenario that I would be likely to encounter, especially a wedding where do-overs aren't really an option. Modern cameras are complex devices, each with their own unique quirks, and aren't likely going to be optimized for every shooting situation (or photographer) right out of the box. If you can't be bothered to completely familiarize yourself with your new tools, any problems that might befall you are really your own fault.
I would think "professionals" would do whatever it takes to make "money"

Whatever works, easier and faster to generate money. If knowing every nook/cranny a prerequisite to ensure the money then it will be done. If a feature/system comes that eliminate/lessen that burden then it will be std practice.

Some day AI will completely take over, read our minds, and generate exactly what we want. With one phrase "Hello Skynet, I want that shot"
Sir Roger Penrose, is one of the worlds foremost mathematicians, winner of the Nobel prize in Physics for his proof of the existence of black holes (using a very clever topological argument) in the 1960's, to shepherding Steven Hawkins through graduate school as one of his thesis advisors of Stephen Hawkins who went on to establish the existence of the universe started out from a singularity - similar to a black hole - known today as The Big Bang.


In the 1980's he took a look at algorithmic processes introduce by Allan Turing in the 1940's and the foundation of the analogue and digital computers that were being pushed for learning systems, a.k.a. artificial intelligence in a seminal book entitled -

"The Emperor New Mind."


The limitations of AI can be found in the uncertainty as we see in quantum physics. These limitations result from algorithms - no matter how complex are linear in time just like the Turing machine. Much of what Penrose theorizes in this classic has been verified by experiment. Today our understanding of quantum physics has brought into question even the most basic concepts such as time. We are still yet to understand the arrow of time, except for Penrose's conjecture that it is the direction of increasing entropy which is foundational to quantum information theory.


At the end of the day I'm not going to wait around for a computer to read my mind as there is more an more evidence that the human brain actually acts on a quantum level since it is nothing more than electrochemical communications of between neurons. There are more working theories that unlike a computer - linear algorithm process defined by the limitations of the classical Turing machine - the human brain works through the process of quantum entanglement someone not achievable by a time dependent Turing machine.

Sitting in my office as a bright shinny new PhD in mathematical physics one summer day at Johns Hopkins, a grad student in the JHU medical school in neuroscience trying to understand how the opiate receptor in the brain and through out the human body works showed up on my door, The wanted to understand that "spooky action at a distance" they they were seeing in their experiments on the opiate receptor as her adviser told here it looked like it operated much like what was seen in quantum entanglement.

As the ability to make better and better measurements real time on the brain and design more detailed experiments, it is clear that the human brain just like all matter and energy in the universe operate as a quantum process and quantum mechanics is the appropriate tool to use. Of course the physicists still a long way from having a full understanding of the quantum as the develop better experiments to show that quantum effects actually take place on larger and larger scales. The mathematical physicists are developing more robust mathematical tools for the development of theories. However, we still can explain the unbalance of matter and anti-matter. We don't have a satisfactory theory that unifies all four fundamental forces. We have unified the strong nuclear, weak nuclear and electrodynamic forces through quantum descriptions. However, we are yet to unify gravity with the quantum theory, that is no theory of quantum gravity.

So Penrose's musing about the non-existence of strong AI seems to be spot on since even a quantum computer can be massively parallel, it still is limited by the fact it is still a Turing machine because of the Church-Turing limit.

So I am not going to wait around for my camera to have the ability to have a creative moment where I can put it on a robot and tell it to "go forth and wind me a Pulitzer" while I relax at the bar. At least for the foreseeable future the brains of the outfit is not in the camera but behind the camera to wins the Pulitzer through his own creativity and his skill in using his tools.
 
At least for the foreseeable future the brains of the outfit is not in the camera but behind the camera to wins the Pulitzer through his own creativity and his skill in using his tools.
Well said sir! And the skill in using the tool effectively is USTP!

(Understand the tech, Set it up for the situation, Train and Practice).
 
I was having problems until I made some setting changes (release on focus, turn OFF AF+MF). It's a bit arcane and seems unnecessary to have to do it, but once it's done, the AF & tracking is pretty good. Even saying that, I still find the Sony A7C to have better AF than the XT5. Or at least, even the lower Sony's are more reliable for AF.

The XT5 eye AF has a tendency to jump from left and right eye even when you specify which eye you want; like what happened in my daughter's photo here. The eye AF couldn't seem to decide which eye and even after I selected the eye I wanted, it jumped to the left right as I hit shutter release.

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A scene like this would have been easy peasy with my Sony. Saying that, I do really like the XT5. You can work around this roughness. You can probably rightly argue that at this price bracket you shouldn't have to, but it is what it is; and as a whole the XT5 is a superb camera.
 
I was having problems until I made some setting changes (release on focus, turn OFF AF+MF). It's a bit arcane and seems unnecessary to have to do it, but once it's done, the AF & tracking is pretty good. Even saying that, I still find the Sony A7C to have better AF than the XT5. Or at least, even the lower Sony's are more reliable for AF.

The XT5 eye AF has a tendency to jump from left and right eye even when you specify which eye you want; like what happened in my daughter's photo here. The eye AF couldn't seem to decide which eye and even after I selected the eye I wanted, it jumped to the left right as I hit shutter release.

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A scene like this would have been easy peasy with my Sony. Saying that, I do really like the XT5. You can work around this roughness. You can probably rightly argue that at this price bracket you shouldn't have to, but it is what it is; and as a whole the XT5 is a superb camera.
There is no EXEF data here so the remainder is conjecture. But depending on your f- stop the DOF of the selected f-stop could make the difference in contrast between the eyes statistically equal. In that case the choice between eyes is a coin toss. That is an issue with the stochastic of the AF since that's how the decision is made. Also I believe that Fuji (at least) don't know about the rest, uses a smaller f-stop than what might be selected during the tracking process to track focus. Again DOF will then play a roll in determining the statistics that go to determine the AF.

In the image above (cute little girl by the way), the right side of her face is better lit. Because of that there is more contrast on the right eye than the left. Because of that the statistics coming from the right eye might be better than coming from the left which on the dark side of her face and more likely that not statistically the right eye will give better AF. I would not be surprised that it would jump to the right eye and track it vs. the left eye which is a little more forward but dimly lit.

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No automatic process is perfect... You notice that all modern camera do have an EC feature to correct errors in AE. same all cameras have AF+MF, AF checking and so on...

No GPS is 100% reliable, etc ...

Some cameras need as you stated a bit more effort than others to achieve the same result. May be instead to be a disaster, or an "abyssal" issue according to one reviewer, it is an asset, forcing the user to understand how the system works and what he is precisely demanding.
I mean, no one expects perfection. Again, just a good enough performance to be able to trust the tools one is using.
Oh come on - no offense meant - many here expect perfection which is why these food fights keep coming up. AF and tracking are statistical processes. No, let me repeat NO, systems estimating a stochastic process is perfect. In fact - perfect doesn't exist. What does is probabilities. On Fuji - change AFC priority from release to focus and the probability of focus changes (goes up). Change tracking parameters to better match the motion of the subject, the probabilities of success (good focus) goes up.

People like Morris who understands both his subject and his tools knows how to set his parameters to produce wonderful images. It's not the camera - it's the skill of the person behind the camera using a sophisticated tool.

However, many here expect to remove the camera from the box, pop in a battery and slap on a lens which may are may not have high speed linear focusing motors to just work and make generate a 100% perfect focus rate.

I wish them luck. It won't happen - with any camera.
 
I am not sure what's the grey area in between Focus Priority and Release Priority....

You either do it or you don't :-D

But I can understand why Fuji set to release priority as default, if they had it in focus priority out of the box, some users may complain this camera cannot shoot 15fps as claimed...
Has Fuji changed from the default being Focus? That's what it was on the X-T3. It is release on the X-H2s.

Morris
It's "release" on X-T5 as default.
 
It's too bad that legitimate questions such as the OPs are always met this way here. We aren't mercenaries in the camera wars, or at least we shouldn't be.
You would get this response in any forum, beyond this website. Go ahead and express your opinions, but online forums are not for the faint-hearted: the anonymity of the keyboard doesn't lend itself to polite discourse. In any case, beneath all the vitriol there's a good discussion going on here. As a bonus, you get new candidates for you Ignore List ;-)
 
OK, first off I know this post is bound to raise suspicions, what with this being my first post here, but please bear with me.

I'm looking to upgrade from X-T2 now that Fuji has finally released the almost ideal camera I'd been waiting for and, although there are a couple other things that bother me, the AF issues (if that's what they are) are definitely stopping me from rushing to the shop. I went through a similar situation with my Pentax K5 a about a decade ago, and I don't want to get burnt twice.

I've seen one, maybe two threads so far discussing Omar Gonzalez's and Jerred Z's findings regarding autofocus, but what worries me is that I keep finding new reviews on YouTube that mention that there are definitely many instances where the AF confirmed focus with the green box, but the photos were subsequently found to be out of focus, or at least not focused on the eyes as confirmed by the camera. See for instance these three:




These are all professional photographers or at least people who look like they know what they're doing. In at least one of the videos above, there are also several different comments from users describing the same discrepancy between focus confirm in camera and the end result.

I know several forum regulars are quite happy with the X-T5 here, and even the above reviewers who've run into problems agree that the AF is a definite improvement over that in the X-T4, so that's good.

However, for event photography, weddings and other similar situations, you just can't afford to have 5-10% (or whatever the exact percentage may be depending on the lens used, AF parameters and shooting conditions) misfocused shots because many of those are unique moments that must be captured well in focus, no matter what.

So I suppose my question is, what do you guys think? Is the AF firmware kind of undercooked and likely to get a big improvement in future firmware updates? Or maybe Fuji should issue detailed guidelines covering specific shooting scenarios and types of lenses, to help users minimize errors? I don't know.
I've watched and heard about some these videos too and I own an X-T5 (and before that the X-T4, X-T3, X-H1 and X-Pro 2) and I'm happy with the improved AF speed and accuracy of the X-T5 and haven't experienced anything of the likes yet.

That being said, I rarely use AF-C or Face detection so I would have to do some more testing I guess.

EDIT: just saw some people in the YouTube comments mentioning that this erratic behavior goes away when you turn off AF+MF.

I've never ever had this set to ON so I can't comment on this.
--I have used the XPro2 as my main camera since it first came out. What improvements can I expect from the T5? Thank you in advance.
Charlie
 
Altogether i would say I would quite agree about your 2 main points : 1/-the system needs to be clearer and/or simpler

2/- The communication of Fuji is just terrible, manual explanations are difficult to understand and the lack of comprehensive non english manual is just a fault and an offence to the customer that pays 2000€/$ and cannot get a tool to master the machine easily. Btw this is a common situation in informatics, either A...e or M.......t so as an intensive user of these machines I'm rather trained to find my own way.....

As my permanent realistic position in life I did the job of experimenting what makes the camera ok. At this point I just posted my opinions, experinec and practice.

Thx for discussion.

Bob
Agree. My other main point is that, as a photographer, I have enough on my plate with sorting out the logistics of a shoot and grappling with the creative aspects of the job. The last thing I need is having to spend weeks trying to find the specific arcane settings I need for every single shooting situation that should be straightforward for a camera at this price point in 2022.

I can live with the system being unnecessarily complicated to set up, but the least the manufacturer can do is help its users do their job by issuing specific detailed guidelines.

Thanks to you too for keeping the discussion rational and civil.
Do you really think that a professional tennis play or golfer would buy a brand new racket or clubs and expect them to improve his/her game "right out of the box." I've played enough tennis at a pretty high club level to know it takes several months of practice and drills to understand just how new equipment no matter how good impacts their game and to develop the muscle memory to use the advances in the racquet technology.

Every generation from wood to metal to to wood/graphite composite to to metal graphite composites to pure graphite to ceramic from standard size head, to mid size head to oversized head. They all have advantages and they all play different. When I was playing for the Annapolis (MD) tennis club team - we would lick our chops when a opponent showed bragging about the brand new racquet he had just picked up and was using in the match. The normally turned out very well for our team.

Sure one can read the specs but all the technical specs don't translate to you and your game, It takes practice and drills with the racquet and develop a feel for how to get the best out of it - or in some cases when the racquet does not match your game well. You even have to learn how to best have your racquet strung with what types of string so it improves your game. At that point one has to work with the equipment to develop the muscle memory so one does not have to think about his shots.

A camera with advanced technology - how is that different? I actually don't think it is.
I've no idea what a professional tennis or golfer does, but I know that a professional photographer has better things to do than spend weeks trying to establish just which of many possible AF-C setting combinations are better for different shooting scenarios. AF-C systems that mostly work "straight out the box" are no longer a novelty in 2022 at this price point. That's all I know.
I am surprised…

II know a dozen of pro photographers who spend ONCE a little bit of time with a camera presenting new technology. to understand how they work and perform. And use them for a job AFTER having accomplished this, not before nor never ever having understood the camera. I know that there are still some Little issues, but the AF and recognition capabilities of the. t5 and especially of the two XH2 models are much, much better than that of the. h1 or XT4. And they will get even much better after some optimizations of the firmware.
You might be surprised that they all are very pleased by the AF system of the XH2 and XH2s having sharp shots in about 90-95% ….
of course Fujifilm will present updates to reduce problems - like does Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Olympus…
These new cameras are just new in the market and EVERY enterprise has to advance the firmware performance of high-Level Cameras, just like any other electronic device (computer, mobile phones, you name it). If you do not accept that, stay with your older cameras and wait some time.

But Fujifilm is not guilty if you deny that reading the Manual might help preventing most of problems. So don’t blame Fujifilm . Or just get one of those Cameras in the neighbors garden, where the Gras is always greener. Good chance!

If you have chosen a XT5 instead of a XH2 model you might already have missed some points and done the wrong choice. it is not by coincidence that every Pro camera nowadays presents a PSAM UI… is it?
 
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