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Before I switched to Canon from Nikon, I had 3 bodies (Z6, D7500 and Z50). Now with Canon I have the R5 and R7, and i really like each of those bodies. I have been contemplating a third body before the rumors and announcement of the R6II. I didn't want the R6 because of the 20mp and even though 24mp is not a whole lot more, it is at least as much as my Z6 had. The 20mp probably turned many potential buyers away from the R6. I think the R6II may fill my third body slot. I like the convenience of the third body and not having to change lenses as often, usually leaving specific lenses on each body. So for me the R6II has come at a good time and sounds like a good fit between the R5 and R7.

Just an aside, I wonder if the new more powerful battery would work in the R5 increasing the number of shots on a single charge?

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tsinvest said:
Before I switched to Canon from Nikon, I had 3 bodies (Z6, D7500 and Z50). Now with Canon I have the R5 and R7, and i really like each of those bodies. I have been contemplating a third body before the rumors and announcement of the R6II. I didn't want the R6 because of the 20mp and even though 24mp is not a whole lot more, it is at least as much as my Z6 had. The 20mp probably turned many potential buyers away from the R6. I think the R6II may fill my third body slot. I like the convenience of the third body and not having to change lenses as often, usually leaving specific lenses on each body. So for me the R6II has come at a good time and sounds like a good fit between the R5 and R7.

Just an aside, I wonder if the new more powerful battery would work in the R5 increasing the number of shots on a single charge?
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The R6II comes the the same 'old' LPE6NH battery as the R5 and R7. The battery didn't get more powerful, the camera became more efficient.
 
Stollen1234 said:
just wondering why would Canon release R6 Mark II after only 2 years? is there a real reason or a mahor Problem?

in the Past Canpn would wait 3 to 5 years to release the next model.
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R6 mk I is headed to the around 1000 pricepoint where it should have been from the beginning.

I expect that the RP and R will be discontinued any day now so that some time next year the line up will be:

R3

R5 mk II

R6 mk II

R5 mk I

R6 mk I

R7

R10

R100

R1000
 
R2D2 said:
Stollen1234 said:
just wondering why would Canon release R6 Mark II after only 2 years? is there a real reason or a mahor Problem?

in the Past Canpn would wait 3 to 5 years to release the next model.
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The problem (IMO) is that the R6's unit sales have not been up to par in this very important market segment, esp after the introduction of the R7. Canon had to make this move to have a more capable, more viable, and thus more popular body at this price point. It had nothing to do with age or refresh cycle.

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Stollen1234 said:
just wondering why would Canon release R6 Mark II after only 2 years? is there a real reason or a mahor Problem?

in the Past Canpn would wait 3 to 5 years to release the next model.
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Not only has the FF cameras landscape changed over the last two years but certainly cropped cameras over the last two months as well. Nor was this some last second thought process by Canon due to that changing of the Landscape of camera offerings.

Canon certainly knew about the MP Wars and they were and are, certainly preparing for it. So that's part of the problem certainly. With all the recent camera releases across all brands cropped and FF, the R6 was certainly going to go down in price, sooner than later.

But I seriously doubt it wasn't selling really well before that because all indications are that it was selling real well. As far as the R5, the competition really has no real answer yet for that camera, yet. When one considers price and performance.
 
IMO, the main driving factor in refreshing the R6 was to up the sensor pixel count. I think the 20mp sensor, while good, has been a marketing issue for Canon. Then add the pressure from the R7 having better AF along with a higher resolution sensor at a lower price point was another major reason.
 
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KEG said:
R6 mk I is headed to the around 1000 pricepoint where it should have been from the beginning.
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You think the R6 will get to around $1000, and it should have been there from the beginning? A camera with the same sensor as the flagship pro DSLR, the same AF as the R5, and dual card slots? Around $1000? Really? I presume that was a typo for $2000. The R6 will never be $1000 new. 4 years after release, the R has dropped from around $2300 to around $1700.
KEG said:
I expect that the RP and R will be discontinued any day now so that some time next year the line up will be:

R3

R5 mk II

R6 mk II

R5 mk I

R6 mk I

R7

R10

R100

R1000
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KEG said:
R6 mk I is headed to the around 1000 pricepoint where it should have been from the beginning...
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R6 is currently at $2300. Your $1000 estimate is completely far off. Maybe in 5 years or so though.
 
Alastair Norcross said:
KEG said:
R6 mk I is headed to the around 1000 pricepoint where it should have been from the beginning.
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It looks like a full frame rebel, it is plastic body like a rebel.

It should cost far less than its current list price because at the end of the day it is the low end ff.

Both R and RP are anomalies at the moment.
Alastair Norcross said:
You think the R6 will get to around $1000, and it should have been there from the beginning? A camera with the same sensor as the flagship pro DSLR, the same AF as the R5, and dual card slots? Around $1000? Really? I presume that was a typo for $2000. The R6 will never be $1000 new. 4 years after release, the R has dropped from around $2300 to around $1700.
Alastair Norcross said:
I expect that the RP and R will be discontinued any day now so that some time next year the line up will be:

R3

R5 mk II

R6 mk II

R5 mk I

R6 mk I

R7

R10

R100

R1000
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Foskito said:
KEG said:
R6 mk I is headed to the around 1000 pricepoint where it should have been from the beginning...
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R6 is currently at $2300. Your $1000 estimate is completely far off. Maybe in 5 years or so though.
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R7 might have put a floor on the price, R7 = 1500, R6 mk I = 1700.
 
KEG said:
Alastair Norcross said:
KEG said:
R6 mk I is headed to the around 1000 pricepoint where it should have been from the beginning.
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It looks like a full frame rebel, it is plastic body like a rebel.

It should cost far less than its current list price because at the end of the day it is the low end ff.

Both R and RP are anomalies at the moment.
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I agree that the R6 (either version) is way over priced. Especially with the R7 coming in at $1,500. IMO, it is a $2k camera at best.
KEG said:
KEG said:
You think the R6 will get to around $1000, and it should have been there from the beginning? A camera with the same sensor as the flagship pro DSLR, the same AF as the R5, and dual card slots? Around $1000? Really? I presume that was a typo for $2000. The R6 will never be $1000 new. 4 years after release, the R has dropped from around $2300 to around $1700.
KEG said:
I expect that the RP and R will be discontinued any day now so that some time next year the line up will be:

R3

R5 mk II

R6 mk II

R5 mk I

R6 mk I

R7

R10

R100

R1000
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KEG said:
R6 mk I is headed to the around 1000 pricepoint where it should have been from the beginning.

I expect that the RP and R will be discontinued any day now so that some time next year the line up will be:

R3

R5 mk II

R6 mk II

R5 mk I

R6 mk I

R7

R10

R100

R1000
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MikeJ9116 said:
IMO, the main driving factor in refreshing the R6 was to up the sensor pixel count. I think the 20mp sensor, while good, has been a marketing issue for Canon. Then add the pressure from the R7 having better AF along with a higher resolution sensor at a lower price point was another major reason.
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Really? As far as I can tell for all practical purposes 20MP = 24MP, especially in the world of 45, 50 and 61MP sensors. I guess it’s just a mental thing?
 
BirdShooter7 said:
MikeJ9116 said:
IMO, the main driving factor in refreshing the R6 was to up the sensor pixel count. I think the 20mp sensor, while good, has been a marketing issue for Canon. Then add the pressure from the R7 having better AF along with a higher resolution sensor at a lower price point was another major reason.
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Really? As far as I can tell for all practical purposes 20MP = 24MP, especially in the world of 45, 50 and 61MP sensors. I guess it’s just a mental thing?
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MikeJ9116 said:
IMO, the main driving factor in refreshing the R6 was to up the sensor pixel count.
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If so, they made the same mistake again by adding only 4 Mp....... So I'm not sure that's enough of an explanation. The should have make it 30 or so. More than the RP and on par with the R, competitive with the A7IV.....
MikeJ9116 said:
I think the 20mp sensor, while good, has been a marketing issue for Canon.
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Beside marketing, I think it's a pretty low Mp count in reality too when considering the potential IQ RF L lenses can give you. It's probably fine for the 24-240mm and 100-400mm, however, other RF lenses have either too slow AF for the R6 or more optical detail than the 20Mp sensor can capture. It's a mismatch in my opinion.
MikeJ9116 said:
Then add the pressure from the R7 having better AF
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I'm not ready to believe the R7 has better AF for all purposes.
MikeJ9116 said:
along with a higher resolution sensor at a lower price point was another major reason.
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That's true, although the R7 gives you the option to go R6+R7 in stead of going R5.
 
BirdShooter7 said:
MikeJ9116 said:
IMO, the main driving factor in refreshing the R6 was to up the sensor pixel count. I think the 20mp sensor, while good, has been a marketing issue for Canon. Then add the pressure from the R7 having better AF along with a higher resolution sensor at a lower price point was another major reason.
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Really? As far as I can tell for all practical purposes 20MP = 24MP, especially in the world of 45, 50 and 61MP sensors. I guess it’s just a mental thing?
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Its a marking issue. How many times have we seen the 20mp sensor being a sticking point with people considering the R6? Quite a few in this forum alone.
 
MikeJ9116 said:
BirdShooter7 said:
MikeJ9116 said:
IMO, the main driving factor in refreshing the R6 was to up the sensor pixel count. I think the 20mp sensor, while good, has been a marketing issue for Canon. Then add the pressure from the R7 having better AF along with a higher resolution sensor at a lower price point was another major reason.
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Really? As far as I can tell for all practical purposes 20MP = 24MP, especially in the world of 45, 50 and 61MP sensors. I guess it’s just a mental thing?
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Its a marking issue. How many times have we seen the 20mp sensor being a sticking point with people considering the R6? Quite a few in this forum alone.
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That's true.
 
They have engineers and marketing people working in their high-end camera division. They have 3 products, the R3, the R5, and the R6.

They pay these people salaries, and they need something to do. The R3 came out last year, 2021.

This year it is a new R6. Next year will be a new R5, or early 2024. Late 2024, or 2025, they will have a « mark 2 » R3.

They also like to have some new product to announce for trade shows. It keeps the company name, « Canon », being a name that gets mentioned. That gives the impression that Canon is a vibrant company doing things.

There are reasons beyond that, but that is half the reason right there.
 
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thunder storm said:
MikeJ9116 said:
IMO, the main driving factor in refreshing the R6 was to up the sensor pixel count.
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If so, they made the same mistake again by adding only 4 Mp....... So I'm not sure that's enough of an explanation. The should have make it 30 or so. More than the RP and on par with the R, competitive with the A7IV.....
thunder storm said:
I think the 20mp sensor, while good, has been a marketing issue for Canon.
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Beside marketing, I think it's a pretty low Mp count in reality too when considering the potential IQ RF L lenses can give you. It's probably fine for the 24-240mm and 100-400mm, however, other RF lenses have either too slow AF for the R6 or more optical detail than the 20Mp sensor can capture. It's a mismatch in my opinion.
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There have been many posters in this forum saying the 20mp resolution sensor was an issue for them in considering the R6. Many consider 24mp to be their bottom for sensor resolution and this is held up by most FF and ASP-C camera makers as being the bottom.
thunder storm said:
thunder storm said:
Then add the pressure from the R7 having better AF
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I'm not ready to believe the R7 has better AF for all purposes.
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The fact is the R7 has better AF than the R6 and R5 for many use cases and equal to them in most others. There have been many posts where people in this forum have said they would like Canon to provide a firmware update for the R5 and R6 to gain some of the AF improvements found in the R7. I think there will be an update to the R5 in a similar fashion as the R6 just received but the R5 will keep its 45mp sensor with a few tweaks added to it.
thunder storm said:
thunder storm said:
along with a higher resolution sensor at a lower price point was another major reason.
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That's true, although the R7 gives you the option to go R6+R7 in stead of going R5.
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This combo is mostly for specific use cases such as birding etc. I think if one is spending nearly $4k on two camera bodies most people would pick the R5 over the R6+R7. I would. But then I am not into very long telephoto shooting and I don't think that most amateur, enthusiast and professional photographers are into it either.
 
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