About: Personal wealth and photography

It's always perplexing to my why anyone gets twisted in knots about how others spend their money. It's their money!!! I wish I had more money to spend on photo goodies. We want the camera companies to do well. Good grief.

David
 
It's always perplexing to my why anyone gets twisted in knots about how others spend their money. It's their money!!! I wish I had more money to spend on photo goodies. We want the camera companies to do well. Good grief.

David
It's the internet, mostly everyone is a master photographer with virtually unlimited funds available for the purchase of the latest and greatest whizz bang camera.. L
 
There’s a large and we’ll represented contingent in here that is against the purchase of anything new, which is of course odd for a site dedicated to new gear.
kind of odd huh?

actually we need the rich guys to buy the new stuff, so the rest of us have a used market to pick over.
 
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Buying things does not require wealth, it can be done with credit and taking on debt.

I never buy anything that I can't pay off when the bill comes due.

Just because a person can post on a website does not mean they manage their finances well. Humans often cannot tell the differences between needs and wants: that's on display daily on this website.

It is a website designed to get you to spend money.
 
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Buying things does not require wealth, it can be done with credit and taking on debt.

I never buy anything that I can't pay off when the bill comes due.

Just because a person can post on a website does not mean they manage their finances well. Humans often cannot tell the differences between needs and wants: that's on display daily on this website.

It is a website designed to get you to spend money.
That is one way of seeing it others may come here to find a better way of spending their money. That is by taking advantage of the collective experience of the members here.

different attitude in life.....
 
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That would be us. We have never been vacationers. Three years ago, we decided to buy a camper. After traveling for a year around our state, we decided to go seasonal. We are in the same place from mid May til Columbus Day in October. We met our best friends there and we say it’s our “summer estate”. It’s about the only thing we’ve done for ourselves as a couple. Best thing we’ve ever done.
That's very cool! May you enjoy many happy summers at your new estate :)

- Dennis
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Gallery at http://kingofthebeasts.smugmug.com
Thanks! Never very thought we’d be seasonal but showing up on Friday with food and clean clothes is pretty nice. We do enjoy adult beverages and it’s been fun trying new stuff. I still can’t drink bourbon though lol.

Marie
 
I'd suggest anyone about to buy the latest camera really ask themselves if they'd be better off investing the same money, and how they could use the proceeds in 10 or 20 years time.
I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume that someone looking at the latest camera hasn't done that already.
You’re kidding, right? Practically no-one could answer that question rationally and still go ahead and, say, PREORDER a newly-announced model when they already have the previous model.
 
So has this become a rich-lister sport?
No. Of course it's possible to spend a fortune on this (as it is with anything else), but plenty of nice photo gear is available that will fit comfortably into ordinary working class budgets.
Working class budgets in which country ? And how about retired working class people living on state pensions ?
So it comes down to establishing specific definitions (the favorite topic of Open Talk). If that's how we need to proceed, then define rich, define working class, and define inadequate income. Then, when all the definitions are agreed upon, the discussion can continue.

Or simply acknowledge that decent photographic tools are not limited to the 'rich-listers', whoever they are. To save everyone a lot of time, I'll just revise my statement like this:

No. Of course it's possible to spend a fortune on this (as it is with anything else), but plenty of nice photo gear is available that will fit comfortably into many ordinary working class budgets.

Or like this:

No. Of course it's possible to spend a fortune on this (as it is with anything else), but it's not necessary in order to have nice photo gear.

I assume you get the idea now.
But, shouldn't you also have to define "a fortune" and even "comfortably"? :-)
I was thinking of countries like Zimbabwe, where many people have difficulty buying food, let alone cameras. Even in the USA there are some who go hungry.

https://moveforhunger.org/
Those facts, though dire and regrettable, are outside the scope of a thread about the cost of photo gear in a photo gear forum on a photography website. Throughout the entire history of photography in all its forms there have been people in the world who were starving and unable to buy photo gear, even when it was at its lowest cost ever. Surely all this is well understood?

We all know that even basic food remains difficult for millions of people to obtain today, but despite that we don't say to one another that food has become a rich-lister commodity.

Back to the subject: Is it your position that photography has in fact become a rich-lister sport? It's your prerogative to think so and say so. In that case, we'll just agree to disagree.
 
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I am going to give you a few scenarios (since I am a late comer to this thread, there is always the danger that someone already covered that).
  • This is a internet forum where you can't see the poster's eyeballs when he or she lies. People like to stroke their ego and internet is a great place for it. While I am at it, you should see my other car. I only drive the Lamborghini Aventador to pick up the newspaper down my driveway.
  • This is America: We live in an affluent nation (something like 5% of the world's population consuming 25% of the world's resource), we certainly feel entitled to it or think that we can afford it.
  • In a real sense, since we are earning an above average wage comparing to the rest of the world, we can afford an expensive hobby. Well, as long as it's only one or two hobbies.
  • Again, this is America. You can always borrow to the tilt to buy what you want (you want to guess what is the average credit card debt?). When you can't afford to pay it back, there is always a personal bankruptcy lawyer around the corner.
  • Almost all (with very few exceptions), photographers are old old folks (the average age of all camera clubs is lower 70's). Why would I be concerned about discipline of spending when there is only a handful of years in my future?
 
The type of person who goes to a camera gear site and excitedly participates in gear discussions while itemizing all of their bodies and lenses in their profile is the type of person who wants to buy a ton of camera gear, show it off, and talk about it.

Think about it this way: look at the level of engagement for each new camera or lens announcement compared to the photographic challenges; it's a gear site.

I went on a date pre-pandemic with a professional events photographer who did art on the side. She was using a Nikon...D810? When at that time DPReview was full of Z7s and D850s.

This site also skews much older, towards people who are at the wealthiest point in their lives (late in their careers or early in their retirements). Teens and college students using phones or second-hand D3100s aren't posting much on DPReview. They can't afford the best toys, but will only be found on instagram or other social media sites.

It's like going on a build-your-own-computer forum where the average person spends $2,500+ on a self-built gaming rig, when the average person spends $700 on a laptop. You're getting a skewed sample.
 
So has this become a rich-lister sport?
No. Of course it's possible to spend a fortune on this (as it is with anything else), but plenty of nice photo gear is available that will fit comfortably into ordinary working class budgets.
Working class budgets in which country ? And how about retired working class people living on state pensions ?
So it comes down to establishing specific definitions (the favorite topic of Open Talk). If that's how we need to proceed, then define rich, define working class, and define inadequate income. Then, when all the definitions are agreed upon, the discussion can continue.

Or simply acknowledge that decent photographic tools are not limited to the 'rich-listers', whoever they are. To save everyone a lot of time, I'll just revise my statement like this:

No. Of course it's possible to spend a fortune on this (as it is with anything else), but plenty of nice photo gear is available that will fit comfortably into many ordinary working class budgets.

Or like this:

No. Of course it's possible to spend a fortune on this (as it is with anything else), but it's not necessary in order to have nice photo gear.

I assume you get the idea now.
But, shouldn't you also have to define "a fortune" and even "comfortably"? :-)
I was thinking of countries like Zimbabwe, where many people have difficulty buying food, let alone cameras. Even in the USA there are some who go hungry.

https://moveforhunger.org/

Don
Sure, but those people can't afford to invest much in any hobby. It means that their purchasing power is extremely low, not that every hobby is extremely expensive.
 
The type of person who goes to a camera gear site and excitedly participates in gear discussions while itemizing all of their bodies and lenses in their profile is the type of person who wants to buy a ton of camera gear, show it off, and talk about it.

Think about it this way: look at the level of engagement for each new camera or lens announcement compared to the photographic challenges; it's a gear site.

I went on a date pre-pandemic with a professional events photographer who did art on the side. She was using a Nikon...D810? When at that time DPReview was full of Z7s and D850s.

This site also skews much older, towards people who are at the wealthiest point in their lives (late in their careers or early in their retirements). Teens and college students using phones or second-hand D3100s aren't posting much on DPReview. They can't afford the best toys, but will only be found on instagram or other social media sites.

It's like going on a build-your-own-computer forum where the average person spends $2,500+ on a self-built gaming rig, when the average person spends $700 on a laptop. You're getting a skewed sample.
But, we like being screwed with, it’s all part of the bigger game.. L
 
Buying things does not require wealth, it can be done with credit and taking on debt.

I never buy anything that I can't pay off when the bill comes due.

Just because a person can post on a website does not mean they manage their finances well. Humans often cannot tell the differences between needs and wants: that's on display daily on this website.

It is a website designed to get you to spend money.
I think this website actually got me to spend less money. There is a lot of useless gear out there and knowing so much information has brought me to a stage where I really only spend money when I know it will improve my photography.
 
I think this website actually got me to spend less money. There is a lot of useless gear out there and knowing so much information has brought me to a stage where I really only spend money when I know it will improve my photography.
Indeed, the helpful nature of forum folks here at DPReview has helped me to buy more wisely than I would have if left on my own with only shop assistants to "advise" me.

Plus of course now the realisation that the old gear that I use does all that I need and anything more modern will definitely not make me a "better photographer".
 
But, you have your equipment and presumably it satisfies you, just sign out, and get on with your photography. You may even find you become a happier person. L
Yes, and this is my point, re: deed's original question. A forum like this isn't a place where people who are satisfied with their gear have a lot to contribute—and so the forum is populated with people who are still on the hunt, and an illusion is created in which all photographers appear to be gear-hungry. But that's not true. It's just that those who aren't gear hungry end up having too little to say.
I don't know about that. I see posts from a lot of people who are completely satisfied with their gear and want advice. There are also a lot of posts making fun of people who are looking for new gear all the time and refer to people on the hunt as "gearheads".
 
I often notice how personally well off a lot of people seem to be within the dpreview fora.

Macbook Pro, iPhone 14 extra-large or - just recently - RAID systems with 12TB SSDs. A few Leicas, "should I get another A1- or should I get an A7IV" instead?

The new Fuji greeted with specification debates rather than a question as to where this is going. Price-wise.

So has this become a rich-lister sport?

I mean, surely you can get an A6000 or X-E3, Panasonic GX8/9? But maybe it is a bit too intimidating being around people who can afford a few A1s, Q2M plus a couple of M11s??
What people buy is often very little related to wealth. Of course, some people on here are fairly well off (although I should add that very few people buy two A1's, even on here). However, it has a lot more to do with how people spend money: do they spend it right away on a bunch of small things or save up for something?

For example, would you consider someone who has a dog rich? Those cost at least $1000 per year, or about $5000 per 5 years -- enough to buy pretty much any camera that also lasts at least 5 years.

What about someone who buys their lunch twice a week ($30 per week more than cooking yourself, for a very cheap lunch)? That's 1560 per year or 7800 over five years, which is more than the cost of an A1. I knew plenty of students who did that.

And don't even get me started at the cost of children....

Bottom line is that this board isn't a random sample. It collects people who already love photography. That will include a small proportion of rich people, but it also includes a large proportion of people who have made photography a priority over other things that aren't worth as much to them like eating out, pets, Netflix, etc.
exactly, and if you dont have a wife you can afford a new sony A1 every month :-)
 
I have a Leica Q2, and a Sony A7R4 with a bunch of really expensive G Master lenses to go with it.

I'm not rich, hell, I'm probably just a little over the poverty line. But I've always liked nice tools, and so that's what I have. I saved for many years to get the things that I like to use, because it's worth it to me.

Having nice things is great! Not only is it a joy to use them, but the end results -beautiful pictures, makes it obviously worth while for me.

I get a lot of joy and satisfaction getting out and taking pictures, and having nice gear really increases the pleasure.

But I always try to remember a lesson I learned a long time ago: "Own your possessions, don't let them own you!"
Yes I'm guessing this is probably quite common on DPR, there are probably plenty of well off people here but I think its probably more common that photography is one of if not the main hobbie interest people have and that there willing to spend a decent amount on it as a result.

I think really whats shifted in the market over the last decade is that camera companies have progressively targeted the semi casual user less. The kind of person who would say have bought an entry level APSC DSLR and used in every once in awhile. I think due to the combination of such people moving to using phone cameras more and of the profit margin for that market being squeezed out.

The good news really is though that someone taking photography seriously but without a ton of cash today is a really good time to get good quality used gear. You could buy say a used D810 and maybe an older Sigma Art prime or two and your getting quality at VERY high levels, you could make A2 size prints from that really indistinguishable from the most expensive gear you could possible buy today.
 
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"Taking photos" is alive and well, thanks to the smartphone. It has become the imaging device of choice for the masses for taking snapshots, vacation photos, and holiday photos. The smartphone has effectively replaced all cameras except those at the very high end.
It’s nice to have this summarized so neatly!
 

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