UncleVanya
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Agreed. And nope I’m unaware of details being revealed.
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Stills only....A7 lV or A7 RlllA
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Having an A73 and an A74, this is what I find as well. No, it isn't the A7r3, but I do prefer the colors from the A74 much more, not to mention the grip and better buttons. The A74 doesn't get the same battery life though, the A73's battery lasts a little longer than the 4.
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agree the 33meg a74 easily keeps up with the 42meg (a7r2) for resolution.
101Colors
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As previously mentioned, there are many R 3 's ( not R 3 A ) for sale . Good pricing too...
Have you actually handled any of the two cameras you mention ? Do you have large hands ??
Size and better 'ergos' ( grip, menu, buttons, etc.) favor the 7 IV .
Is this camera for studio use only ??
Price aside, other than losing the 'extra' pixels, my opinion is the 7 IV is the better overall choice....
And the 24-105 lens is generally regarding as 'good enough' for the range and size.
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Have you actually handled any of the two cameras you mention ? Do you have large hands ??
Size and better 'ergos' ( grip, menu, buttons, etc.) favor the 7 IV .
Is this camera for studio use only ??
Price aside, other than losing the 'extra' pixels, my opinion is the 7 IV is the better overall choice....
And the 24-105 lens is generally regarding as 'good enough' for the range and size.
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Candasu
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As a Sony A7RIII user, I definitely recommend the R series if photography is a priority.
Sharper photos, more details, large print size and crop advantage, more high dynamic range. You will get all of this with the A7RIII (A).
I tested the A7IV for a few days. It didn't appeal to me very much, except that the AF tracking was much more advanced and improved. It has very good features for video. But if I prefer it for photography, I would prefer the R series.
Sharper photos, more details, large print size and crop advantage, more high dynamic range. You will get all of this with the A7RIII (A).
I tested the A7IV for a few days. It didn't appeal to me very much, except that the AF tracking was much more advanced and improved. It has very good features for video. But if I prefer it for photography, I would prefer the R series.
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As an A7RIII user myself, I respectfully disagree. 33MP vs. 42MP is not a big gap, and AF tracking that sticks like glue is a killer feature on its own before you add in the body build improvements, faster card slots, menus, etc.
Looking at photons to photos and DXOMARK, it doesn't look like there is any dynamic range difference between the bodies.
Candasu
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Of course, this is everyone's own discretion. Honestly, I love R-series bodies.
The release of new models does not slow down the speed of old models. 3rd Gen A7 bodies aren't bad at tracking objects. They are at a level that will meet the expectations of many users. In particular, capturing moving objects is also a matter of how much practice and skill the photographer has. There are photographers who take great pictures with 20-30 years old or even manual bodies.
Newer card slot object tracking etc. It's a good thing that the improvements of the features are getting better. But I would still prefer an R-series body if photography is the priority. Even the absence of an AA Filter is the reason why I prefer it.
The release of new models does not slow down the speed of old models. 3rd Gen A7 bodies aren't bad at tracking objects. They are at a level that will meet the expectations of many users. In particular, capturing moving objects is also a matter of how much practice and skill the photographer has. There are photographers who take great pictures with 20-30 years old or even manual bodies.
Newer card slot object tracking etc. It's a good thing that the improvements of the features are getting better. But I would still prefer an R-series body if photography is the priority. Even the absence of an AA Filter is the reason why I prefer it.
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I've used both systems extensively and would not call what the A7RIII has as "tracking" in the same sense. If you do types of photography where random interesting moving objects crop up (e.g., urban or travel), the newer tracking is massively superior in that it actually works.
What people can do with manual bodies isn't relevant to a guy who wants to buy a new camera now. And besides the tracking the A7IV also has dual fast card slots, better menus, better ergos, a screen that moves in more than one direction, etc.
I also love the R series bodies, but 33MP vs 42 MP makes the distinction a bit moot. Though you'll note that I did recommend a used A7RIII as a great option, but not a new one. According the Imaging Resource the sensor in the A7 IV lacks an optical low-pass filter (OLPF), enabling you to capture more extra-fine detail.
Tristimulus
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As a 24MP fanatic I would find even 33MP overwhelming. :-D
Only if pixel peeping, cropping really heavily, or printing 40x50 inches or larger.
Guess the improved auto focus and focus tracking of the A7IV will secure more supersharp keepers than what we get from any of the R bodies hand held. Still photographers are a varied lot and some need to track action.
Only for tripod work do the R series make real life sense (to me).
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What?
If I move my AF point over a subject I will generally get perfect focus on the A7RIII, it will just take more effort than on newer bodies with real-time-tracking. I could rely on wide area mode and not place the point at all, but I like creative control. The real-time stuff just allows you to accurately place your AF points more pleasingly, in trickier situations, and in alternate compositions quickly.
And the A7RIV has real-time-tracking as an R body.
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agree i used to own the a7r2 and now the a74, the images are basically indistinguishable even at 300%. took some great images with the a7r2 but the a74 is on another level ,the tracking is amazing . af is so far ahead of older models, images are in perfect focus no matter how difficult the lighting. i find the reviewers are not telling the whole storey about the a74.
UncleVanya
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I would check multiple sites on that point. This has been hotly debated and I don’t see any clear indication that it’s a settled question.
Dave in Wales
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From......https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4615192
Not me I may add......
I e-mailed Sony a few weeks ago and I finally received a reply from Sony customer support. They tell me the A7 IV does not have an AA filter.
Dear Mr.
Thank you for your patience.
We apologise for any inconvenience.
With reference to your enquiry, we received an update from our relevant team confirming that the Sony ILCE-7M4K does not have an AA filter.
Thank you for understanding and should you have any further questions, please feel free to reply to this email.
Thank you for your enquiry.
Yours sincerely,
Not me I may add......
I e-mailed Sony a few weeks ago and I finally received a reply from Sony customer support. They tell me the A7 IV does not have an AA filter.
Dear Mr.
Thank you for your patience.
We apologise for any inconvenience.
With reference to your enquiry, we received an update from our relevant team confirming that the Sony ILCE-7M4K does not have an AA filter.
Thank you for understanding and should you have any further questions, please feel free to reply to this email.
Thank you for your enquiry.
Yours sincerely,
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flbdig
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I has 2 calls with Sony Support team who told me there is no OLPF on the a74.
For non-action stills and studio type work the a7RM3 gives you more file to work with in term of dynamic range and resolution. That sensor is actually rated higher by dxo than the mark IV version. 99% vs 100% so we are splitting hairs. But is does say something that the mark III sensor scored 100%. Of course the a7M4 rates 97% so you might not even notice the differences.
It is a question of final usage though. For web posts and social media the a7M4 has 100x more resolution than you'll ever need. For large format prints the a7R* has a modest advantage. But again we're splitting hairs as the a7RM3 gives you 26 inch prints at 300dpi versus 23 inches from the a7M4. Not nearly the difference with the older 24mp a7M3 sensor.
You are also getting a better EVF in the R series body which makes a difference scrutinizing fine details in composition.
The build quality on the a7RM3 struck me as a more solid than the a7M3. Don't know if the a7M4 compares similarly.
The a7RM3 seems to be a good value today. Personally, I'd look for one of the original a7RM3 bodies rather than the "a" version unless the barely better rear LCD really matters to you.
It is a question of final usage though. For web posts and social media the a7M4 has 100x more resolution than you'll ever need. For large format prints the a7R* has a modest advantage. But again we're splitting hairs as the a7RM3 gives you 26 inch prints at 300dpi versus 23 inches from the a7M4. Not nearly the difference with the older 24mp a7M3 sensor.
You are also getting a better EVF in the R series body which makes a difference scrutinizing fine details in composition.
The build quality on the a7RM3 struck me as a more solid than the a7M3. Don't know if the a7M4 compares similarly.
The a7RM3 seems to be a good value today. Personally, I'd look for one of the original a7RM3 bodies rather than the "a" version unless the barely better rear LCD really matters to you.
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A difference up to about 10% would hardly be visible, DxO says, so picking a camera because of a few percent difference measured for sensor performance would be nonsense. Other aspect would weight much higher, like operation convenience, cleanness at high ISO, af speed & precision, etc.
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The A7RIII and A7IV both have a 3.69M dot OLED EVF.
One thing I did forget is that the A7RIII gets more battery life out of the same battery, though it's not a huge difference.
Candasu
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I agree with what you said. In a way, I tried to explain this here. In addition, the material quality of the R series bodies is better than the flat A7s.
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