The relative excitement on the forum for the OM-1 and lack of it for the GH6 (both impressive cameras) obviously shows that as far as the interested market lies you can lead a stills shooter to a camera specialised for video but you cannot make them buy one.
"Hey", says someone in Panasonic marketing, "sales are down, I wonder why ...."
I keep wondering why we think dpr forums are a good representation of the actual market. How many active users are in the m43 forum? Doubt it’s more than 1k, so hardly a representative sample… Unfortunately both m43 and Fuji (my 2 favourites) are only a very small percentage of a continually shrinking market. Olympus seems to be focusing on wildlife and Panasonic on video, which I think it has both less competition and may be more profitable than wildlife.
How can we know if Panasonic or Olympus marketing is actually generating more sales and profits when those companies don’t publish camera sales data anyway?
Is there a better sample of targeted buyers on the net? Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals if we are not the target?
Excellent example of confirmation bias
no data on where else the commercials are blasted for gh6
Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website
You didn't answer the question. If, as you claim, "Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website". Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals? I never said Panasonic doesn't sell ads to other sites. Excellent example of a red herring.
I answered the question in context.
No you did not.
You are making the case that this site is representative of the whole, and then put that we get ads because we are the target.
Fact: we do get target ads.
I did. That's a fact. There's also the fact this site is not representative particularly of more video oriented uses, nor the only site receiving those ads. Maybe it receives more ads, or maybe less ads.
You did not answer the question. If, as you claim, "Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website". Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals?
I believe I answered your question. And you have a hint of yet another part of the answer right in what you repeated-
dpreview having more of a still oriented website doesn't mean doesn't have anything for video. The GH6 is a new camera model and video is Panasonic's niche, Not surprised they will trumpet the GH6 across different websites.
Thank you for finally admitting DPR is a target market for GH6. Glad we agree.
I don't know why you say "finally admitting." I said this a while back. I mean, aren't we quoting something I said much earlier?
. I only expanding on the obvious scope of what I said, but I am always up for clarifying.
Read the statements posted in this thread by you and others:
I don't need to. I joined dpreview back in Dec 7, 2001. I have seen with my own yes, thanks.
These comments were posted in this thread over the last few days. You don't have to invest two decades of your life to see that.
No, my point was that I know this website is more stills oriented than video, since I was here watching the evolution of this website vs someone who just joined at the beginning of this year that doesn't know at all this context.
"Old timers are more stills shooters. This forum seems to have old population so stills it is on this forum."
"Yep, I get this impression this forum is heavily stills focused and hardly represents most of the newer market which is more video focused."
"Therein lies the flaw in your reasoning: using this website, and this forum, as a measure of popularity. This site is a gear site that has been focused on still cameras for most of its existence."
"Finally you can’t just rely on data just from this website because it’s a biased sample"
"I keep wondering why we think dpr forums are a good representation of the actual market."
"Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website"
If any of this were remotely accurate, Panasonic would not be plastering GH6 "deals" ads on the main page of DPR.
Some of it is, but apparently you interpret "more of a stills oriented website" as zero video information/content on gear.
So there is interest in hybrid and video oriented ILC's on DPR. Exactly my point. So we can dispense with the excuses as to why the GH6 never got traction here.
You keep encasing the limited evidence to your view. You miss the point that having a more stills oriented website doesn't mean there's zero interest in video, but it sure strongly suggests or claims that there's more people here that have gone on an interest for still images.
Again, you may not know this has you just joined this year, but it's been the main focus of this website for years. When on the internet you have a group of people like that that you first started with, you still keep a lot of that. And when you look at the reviews, the focus is still on stills over video. You should check other video oriented websites and see to the depths they go exploring video.
Uninformed opinion: we are not the target audience for GH6.
The presence of the ads put your opinion in the dirt.
You see, you said something I didn't say. I said we are *a target*, just not *the target*. So the so called "uniformed opinion" you quote that apparently you made up is in the dirt, but not my opinion
I did not say we are the ONLY target. Certainly a target. Which makes the lack of GH6 interest here all the more puzzling.
Not sure what you mean by that. The GH6 was in the top popular cameras for a somewhat similar time to the OM-1. You didn't say it was the only target, but you said it was the target. So....
Did that translate to purchases? Apparently not among enthusiasts and professionals here.
Again, dpreview sample is biased and does not represent the entire market. It's more biased towards stills than video.
If I said you were the target market for the EP7, would you take that to mean you were the ONLY person Olympus is marketing the camera to?
No. What there seems to be difficult understanding here, and it's pretty simple really is that you can't simply project or assume dpreview represents a good sample of the Toal camera/stills or video market.
No one said it represented the entire market. Another red herring.
Since you admit DPR is a target market, why no traction? Virtually no one ones or posts about the GH6.
No, you didn't claim it represents the entire market- yet you act making categorical conclusions without nuance as if it did. That's the problem. This is not new, this the arguments presented usually go from you. For example- the very last question and sentence has several problems:
- you ask a question in which you already assume the to be proven conclusion. Why no traction? Doesn't seem that's the case given BHPhoto top best selling sales even without the promo they have now
- I already covered that this is is still a more stills oriented audience/website than video. People who just joined this. year I can see could be prone to not understand that.
There's many explanations here other than "why no traction." You are not "going to have much traction" on an audience that is more interested in stills than video. The GH6 catters to a higher tier of vide enthusiast/professional than what for example the OM-1 gives, but the OM-1 can give enough for the tier of people who come from a more stills oriented background that now want to explore video, for example.
And I want to make very clear: it's possible that in the real world market, the GH6 may not be doing as well - or it does- we can't know just from dpreview. That's the point.
Anyhow, also just in case we forgot- the GH6 also can take still pictures after all
. And "blasting ads" has another inherent variable. It's quite possible we get "blasted less" than other places. Or more. Who knows if you are only looking here.
Exactly my point. It can take still pictures. Still no traction on a site with tens of thousands of enthusiasts and professionals around the world.
Yes, it can still take pictures. But it's core competency is more on the video side. Yet again, the BHPhoto top best seller list has the GH6 ranking high vs the "no traction" here. What could that possibly mean?
And not considering how ads could be specific -user targeted as you open the website. I am not saying this is the only possibility but it sure is possible as it is done, so reaching categorical propositions like the one espoused here seems a bit logical-risky to me.
So it is only targeting me!? I am the GH6 audience? lol
You miss the point. Ads are targeted. Yes, if you have clicked on video interest of m43rds, of course it's reasonable to see you could be a GH6 market target.
Also it's not "just targeting" you, that's absurd. You are a data point in a group of people, classified, traded, predicted.
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