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Is Panasonic barking up the wrong marketing tree?
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No you did not.I answered the question in context.You didn't answer the question. If, as you claim, "Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website". Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals? I never said Panasonic doesn't sell ads to other sites. Excellent example of a red herring.Excellent example of confirmation biasIs there a better sample of targeted buyers on the net? Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals if we are not the target?
no data on where else the commercials are blasted for gh6
Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website
Fact: we do get target ads.
Uninformed opinion: we are not the target audience for GH6.
The presence of the ads put your opinion in the dirt.
Once more...they why is Panasonic wasting ad revenue on on DPR? The same reason they are charitably giving us $400 discounts on a new product? Perhaps Panasonic, Amazon and DPR know something you don't...
There is no evidence that "video is a bigger market". Look at web traffic and show me a video enthusiast website with more users and traffic than DPR.
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Raist3d
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I did. That's a fact. There's also the fact this site is not representative particularly of more video oriented uses, nor the only site receiving those ads. Maybe it receives more ads, or maybe less ads.No you did not.I answered the question in context.You didn't answer the question. If, as you claim, "Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website". Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals? I never said Panasonic doesn't sell ads to other sites. Excellent example of a red herring.Excellent example of confirmation biasIs there a better sample of targeted buyers on the net? Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals if we are not the target?
no data on where else the commercials are blasted for gh6
Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website
Fact: we do get target ads.
You see, you said something I didn't say. I said we are *a target*, just not *the target*. So the so called "uniformed opinion" you quote that apparently you made up is in the dirt, but not my opinion
I answered the question.
I already answered the question. Certainly Panasonic does know a lot of things that I or you for that matter, don't know about
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The newer market has already embraced the mobile phone camera (MFC). The lesson of history is that the Box Brownie, Kodak Folder and Instamatic user did buy a proper camera for special occasions. Then found that their cheap point and shoot gear was easier to use. Therefore the great gear was bought once and stored in a cupboard to be brought out by "Dad" for Christmas and birthdays and that once in a lifetime special trip.
What is to say that the MFC user gets a proper video capable camera nd then finds its use much more cumbersome and after a while it gets relegated to special occasions and that the MFC doe video well enough for their normal purposes.
The more the gear changes the less the user changes.
Although this forum is 'older' and more focused on stllls shooting the more it seems normal.
Basically young families are time and cash strapped, but a phone is essential and comes with a camera and video machine free in phone. What is there not to like?
They might invest in a better camera that promotes better video - but then the reality sets in - that good video requires more time and money in our time strapped world.
Still photography in my opinion give a better balance of results for the time expended upon it.
The idea that I will produce images and/or video and that I will find an enthusiastic audience for our efforts fails for want of an audience with the time to spend viewing it.
But surely social media churns on, but does this necessarily rely on huge investment in kit?
I am with you there Jim - it is the extra squeeze that can be put on their buying audience that makes providing a video churn for them to feed on attractive.
But in reality are we just going along with the move to more video inclusion rather than really demanding that it happen?
Myself I don't mind having video capability in my camera as long as it doesn't get in my way when using a camera when I have zero interest in video.
Some time ago the camera manufacturers realised that a great big red video button under the thumb was not always welcomed and it was tucked away.
But they are increasingly standardising side hinged "video" lcd units - even on RF style bodies.
Video might seem great but unless you are YouTube, a wedding photographer or some other professional who can exploit video commercially then video can only be something for a quick riff and limited circulation. To do video well requires a lot more time than post processing a few selected favourite stills images.
Where Panasonic must see the initiative is that there is more room to add to video capability and therefor sell more product at better prices than there is for stills. In a declining market this counts for a lot. It will work if stills shooters will keep on buying new gear for the video enhancements alone.
On the other hand faster video might have the eventual spin off of high resolution still images in real time capture. Now that is something that this stills shooter might see an update worth getting excited about. But will I buy a camera for its enhanced video alone? Why should I? This is nothing about young wannabe users with video ambitions and not a lot of cash - but ageing stills shooters who are well enough heeled to be able to buy most gear that interests them without having to sell something to finance it. Not interested in video and my stills gear works well enough? Market dies, I might as well get back to my knitting ....
One day excited video enthusiasts might be able to buy everything that they want for their hobby but there is some seriously expensive dedicated professional video gear out there already winking for their attention.
thelightbythesea
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Hey James,Are discount offers from B&H in the USA available in Europe where you apparently live ? It is usually the opposite as duties and delivery costs inflate the price and offers in the USA are never usable elsewhere . I can understand why you could forget which country you come from ;-) . The offer is clearly not widely available ,or it would be mentioned in the listing ,the difference in price between the two bodies is a mighty $2.The discount is $400 off (20%) a camera launched 5 months ago.
Then you add the promo code I (and others) received via email for an instant $400 savings.
You were saying? The OM-1, now that it is in stock, has jumped ahead of the GH6. Even has more reviews despite selling at a $400 higher price point.
If it is in such high demand among vloggers and content creators, why does B&H have to shave $400 off the price to move them?
The list clearly changes hour by hour as we do not know the actual physical numbers the difference between them could be 1 unit or 100 units or they could be the same listed alphabetically we simply don't know . Either way at worst the Panasonic is neck and neck with the OM-1 despite the whopping $2 saving. Looking at you. Either way the are both excellent cameras for the respective niches they are aimed at
Digital Cameras & Digital Camera Kits | Camera Gear | B&H (bhphotovideo.com)
your original list in your first post on this topic did not have the OM Systems filter applied to the best sellers list.
Only Panasonic and Olympus.
That does affect the best seller rankings significantly.
Best selling mirrorless camera B&H | Panasonic, Olympus & OM Systems
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Fifty years ago my in-laws took a world trip and enthusiastically brought back boxes of slides that fully documented it.
We were treated to a very interesting slide show of that trip (once). Other family members may well have also seen that slide show on a few other occasions.
This was a family history in the making.
I inherited the slides and the projector.
Y'know I don't think the slides have been used once since 50 years ago.
Photograph albums get pulled out occasionally and but more time consuming sessions take a lot more organising.
If we create just an hour of video every month for ten years then we have 120 hours of video for our audience to enjoy. If we can find such dedicated time in our busy lives.
Stills images are more selective. Social media videos are watched and done for in a very short shelf life and that is probably the attraction.
Image replications are mostly for those that captured them and if we think that they will be treasured and replayed forever then maybe we might be deluding ourselves.
We were treated to a very interesting slide show of that trip (once). Other family members may well have also seen that slide show on a few other occasions.
This was a family history in the making.
I inherited the slides and the projector.
Y'know I don't think the slides have been used once since 50 years ago.
Photograph albums get pulled out occasionally and but more time consuming sessions take a lot more organising.
If we create just an hour of video every month for ten years then we have 120 hours of video for our audience to enjoy. If we can find such dedicated time in our busy lives.
Stills images are more selective. Social media videos are watched and done for in a very short shelf life and that is probably the attraction.
Image replications are mostly for those that captured them and if we think that they will be treasured and replayed forever then maybe we might be deluding ourselves.
You did not answer the question. If, as you claim, "Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website". Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals?I did. That's a fact. There's also the fact this site is not representative particularly of more video oriented uses, nor the only site receiving those ads. Maybe it receives more ads, or maybe less ads.No you did not.I answered the question in context.You didn't answer the question. If, as you claim, "Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website". Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals? I never said Panasonic doesn't sell ads to other sites. Excellent example of a red herring.Excellent example of confirmation biasIs there a better sample of targeted buyers on the net? Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals if we are not the target?
no data on where else the commercials are blasted for gh6
Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website
Fact: we do get target ads.
Read the statements posted in this thread by you and others:
"Old timers are more stills shooters. This forum seems to have old population so stills it is on this forum."
"Yep, I get this impression this forum is heavily stills focused and hardly represents most of the newer market which is more video focused."
"Therein lies the flaw in your reasoning: using this website, and this forum, as a measure of popularity. This site is a gear site that has been focused on still cameras for most of its existence."
"Finally you can’t just rely on data just from this website because it’s a biased sample"
"I keep wondering why we think dpr forums are a good representation of the actual market."
"Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website"
If any of this were remotely accurate, Panasonic would not be plastering GH6 "deals" ads on the main page of DPR.
I did not say we are the ONLY target. Certainly a target. Which makes the lack of GH6 interest here all the more puzzling. If I said you were the target market for the EP7, would you take that to mean you were the ONLY person Olympus is marketing the camera to?You see, you said something I didn't say. I said we are *a target*, just not *the target*. So the so called "uniformed opinion" you quote that apparently you made up is in the dirt, but not my opinion
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DP Review also has ads for Neutrogena and Clorox (just showed me those at the top). I think you are giving too much weight to ads that are determined by algorithms anyways.
Are you serious about this? Have you not noticed when people ask video related questions, very few here seem to have the expertise to answer? Whereas when a stills related question is asked, there are plenty of useful responses, way more than if a video related question is asked.Read the statements posted in this thread by you and others:
"Old timers are more stills shooters. This forum seems to have old population so stills it is on this forum."
"Yep, I get this impression this forum is heavily stills focused and hardly represents most of the newer market which is more video focused."
"Therein lies the flaw in your reasoning: using this website, and this forum, as a measure of popularity. This site is a gear site that has been focused on still cameras for most of its existence."
"Finally you can’t just rely on data just from this website because it’s a biased sample"
"I keep wondering why we think dpr forums are a good representation of the actual market."
"Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website"
If any of this were remotely accurate, Panasonic would not be plastering GH6 "deals" ads on the main page of DPR.
I did not say we are the ONLY target. Certainly a target. Which makes the lack of GH6 interest here all the more puzzling. If I said you were the target market for the EP7, would you take that to mean you were the ONLY person Olympus is marketing the camera to?You see, you said something I didn't say. I said we are *a target*, just not *the target*. So the so called "uniformed opinion" you quote that apparently you made up is in the dirt, but not my opinion
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Most of the population on this forum will be dead in few years. Will a younger generation on this forum be interested in stills more than video? Or will this forum dry up and become dust in the wind? A general discussion about the future of stills vs video seems more interesting than the future of one camera or brand.
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larsbc
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I do wonder if it's mostly young families that are the market for stills/video cameras. On the Discord group to which I belong, the average age is probably just a bit under 30 yrs and none of them have kids. They seem to have plenty of time to pursue photography and video activities, as well as the time to edit their work. Even myself, I find that the time spent on making a video that I like is both enjoyable and not overly time consuming.
Perhaps you should spend some time speaking to the younger people who actually do use mirrorless cameras or dedicated video cameras to create video? There's a lot of excitement in creating projects and collaborating. It doesn't seem to be as solitary as photography seems to be with us older people. It's refreshing to see.
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larsbc
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The activities you're describing are old school. Stills and videos are literally available at the tips of your fingers.
Every single person I know has some leisure time that they spend on their phone or computer.
You seem to think that all amateur video is aimed for social media consumption and that's simply not the case. Furthermore, people are just as non-selective or selective when it comes to posting stills.
What does that have to do with your disdain of video?
larsbc
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"A quick riff and limited circulation." What exactly do you mean by that and how is that different from amateur photos?
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Raist3d
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I believe I answered your question. And you have a hint of yet another part of the answer right in what you repeated- dpreview having more of a still oriented website doesn't mean doesn't have anything for video. The GH6 is a new camera model and video is Panasonic's niche, Not surprised they will trumpet the GH6 across different websites.You did not answer the question. If, as you claim, "Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website". Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals?I did. That's a fact. There's also the fact this site is not representative particularly of more video oriented uses, nor the only site receiving those ads. Maybe it receives more ads, or maybe less ads.No you did not.I answered the question in context.You didn't answer the question. If, as you claim, "Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website". Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals? I never said Panasonic doesn't sell ads to other sites. Excellent example of a red herring.Excellent example of confirmation biasIs there a better sample of targeted buyers on the net? Why is Amazon owned DPR blasting ads for GH6 deals if we are not the target?
no data on where else the commercials are blasted for gh6
Dpreview has been more of a still oriented website
Fact: we do get target ads.
I don't need to. I joined dpreview back in Dec 7, 2001. I have seen with my own yes, thanks.
Some of it is, but apparently you interpret "more of a stills oriented website" as zero video information/content on gear.
Not sure what you mean by that. The GH6 was in the top popular cameras for a somewhat similar time to the OM-1. You didn't say it was the only target, but you said it was the target. So....I did not say we are the ONLY target. Certainly a target. Which makes the lack of GH6 interest here all the more puzzling.You see, you said something I didn't say. I said we are *a target*, just not *the target*. So the so called "uniformed opinion" you quote that apparently you made up is in the dirt, but not my opinion
No. What there seems to be difficult understanding here, and it's pretty simple really is that you can't simply project or assume dpreview represents a good sample of the Toal camera/stills or video market.
Anyhow, also just in case we forgot- the GH6 also can take still pictures after all
. And "blasting ads" has another inherent variable. It's quite possible we get "blasted less" than other places. Or more. Who knows if you are only looking here.And not considering how ads could be specific -user targeted as you open the website. I am not saying this is the only possibility but it sure is possible as it is done, so reaching categorical propositions like the one espoused here seems a bit logical-risky to me.
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James Stirling
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Try that when you actually pick Italy as a location and not the USA as you did below AND don't use a promo code offered to a select few customers. There is simply no $400 discount widely availableThey are not restricted to regionAre discount offers from B&H in the USA available in Europe where you apparently live ?The discount is $400 off (20%) a camera launched 5 months ago.
Then you add the promo code I (and others) received via email for an instant $400 savings.
You were saying? The OM-1, now that it is in stock, has jumped ahead of the GH6. Even has more reviews despite selling at a $400 higher price point.
If it is in such high demand among vloggers and content creators, why does B&H have to shave $400 off the price to move them?
Oh , you are in Milan this week lovely
Expedited shopping is obviously not available for shipping to Europe . You chopped off the part that said where it was going you only get that option when you list USA as your location. So you listed your location as USA { you did not quite crop the bit that says zip code } and probably typed in the promo code that produde posted in his email .There is no mention of promo code on the main GH6 page, there is no mention of promo code when you add it to your basket and there is no mention of promo code when you sign in to check-out.
Just as mentioned in produde's email . The offer was clearly a limited special offer to select customers "a private offer" is stated in the email. So no the offer is not available to everyone at all . I am certainly not suggesting that select customers where offered the special discount as quoted in the email . I am saying that other than use a code given to these select customers ordered within the USA there is no way to get the camera with a $400 discount.
This is how an order to Italy actually looks .
B&H has has a special content creator account with special offers to folk who are already B&H customer account holders and satisfy the requirements . Which is the case in Produde's email
Anyone Buying a GH6 Soon?: Micro Four Thirds Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)
""As a Content Creator, we would like to extend a private offer on the Panasonic Lumix GH6 with a $400 discount with unique promocode:""
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James Stirling
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I think it depends on what type of moving subjects, for say a wedding where folk are walking and just normal moving about it is not going to be an issue. For faster action it certainly seems to lag behind . If fast action is your thing then the OM-1 would be what I would choose. I am in a bit betwixt and between the GH6 and OM-1 use cases. Though I shoot a decent amount of video I have no need for it's advanced video options and I don't shoot any fast action nullifying the OM-1's advantage's .
It is obviously a vendetta against me as the companies are clearly scheming together to avoid offering my perfect camera
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James Stirling
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The price of some high end video orientated gear not just lenses gets pretty expensive pretty quick
I do think that FOR ME , the GH6 went a bit too far down the video road . and I do a decent amount of video shooting . Though the OM-1 is too far down the action orientated road FOR ME which is nice as despite temptation it has saved me buying either
The LCD option is just a touch contentious with those of us in the right { FAS
} struggle to convince the poor tilting LCD gang I wonder how much { or little } it would cost the companies to offer both as an option on new bodies--
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