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Mark B. said:
Sure, if you want to be cynical about it. But it's certainly possible to have both in-person relationships as well as connect on social media. I've re-connected to many people I've lost touch with in large part due to social media, as well as made new friends (and met in person not just through a screen).
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More than three in five Americans are lonely, with more and more people reporting feeling like they are left out, poorly understood and lacking companionship, according to a new survey released Thursday.

Social media use was tied to loneliness as well, with 73% of very heavy social media users considered lonely, as compared with 52% of light users.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-and-our-workplace-culture-may-not-be-helping

More recent data show that one in five millennials have no friends at all. And a survey released in 2020 found that 71 percent of millennials and almost 79 percent of Gen Z respondents report feeling lonely—a significantly greater proportion than other generations.

Deep friendships are becoming rare, especially among the young.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-young-americans-are-lonely/
 
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Brad Bohland said:
Mark B. said:
Sure, if you want to be cynical about it. But it's certainly possible to have both in-person relationships as well as connect on social media. I've re-connected to many people I've lost touch with in large part due to social media, as well as made new friends (and met in person not just through a screen).
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More than three in five Americans are lonely, with more and more people reporting feeling like they are left out, poorly understood and lacking companionship, according to a new survey released Thursday.
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Was the survey conducted through social media?
Brad Bohland said:
Social media use was tied to loneliness as well, with 73% of very heavy social media users considered lonely, as compared with 52% of light users.
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One could argue the amount of loneliness is higher among heavy users, because that is why they are heavy users. Its not necessarily social media that is at fault.
Brad Bohland said:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-and-our-workplace-culture-may-not-be-helping

More recent data show that one in five millennials have no friends at all. And a survey released in 2020 found that 71 percent of millennials and almost 79 percent of Gen Z respondents report feeling lonely—a significantly greater proportion than other generations.

Deep friendships are becoming rare, especially among the young.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-young-americans-are-lonely/
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There are some interesting tidbits in all of this, of course. How we interact has changed in many ways. Having that old college friend will probably be a little tough if you are using online courses. But social is just an enhanced communications tool, we have to figure out out to have it as a healthy part of society.
 
Mackiesback said:
One could argue the amount of loneliness is higher among heavy users, because that is why they are heavy users. Its not necessarily social media that is at fault.
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I was thinking the same thing. Pure statistics cannot prove cause and effect.
 
tbcass said:
Mackiesback said:
One could argue the amount of loneliness is higher among heavy users, because that is why they are heavy users. Its not necessarily social media that is at fault.
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I was thinking the same thing. Pure statistics cannot prove cause and effect.
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Not everyone who uses social media is lonely, just as some people who are socially active can still be lonely if their relationships are shallow (my guess is that Steve Jobs was a very lonely man).
 
Brad Bohland said:
Not everyone who uses social media is lonely, just as some people who are socially active can still be lonely if their relationships are shallow (my guess is that Steve Jobs was a very lonely man).
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According to Jony Ive, former head of Apple product design, he was the only one there in the room when Steve Jobs died.

No one from the family, only one employe was there. (Jony Ive).

-If that is not a sign of a totally failed, absolute miserable *personal* life, then I do not know what.

The evil CEO of the cartoon "Simpsons" mr Burns would probably have more friends around if they decided to remove him from the series.

To *only* have an employee as the last human contact before you check out of this world, is just depressing.

As you said - probably a very lonely man.
 
Strobist said:
Brad Bohland said:
Not everyone who uses social media is lonely, just as some people who are socially active can still be lonely if their relationships are shallow (my guess is that Steve Jobs was a very lonely man).
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According to Jony Ive, former head of Apple product design, he was the only one there in the room when Steve Jobs died.

No one from the family, only one employe was there. (Jony Ive).
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Other sources indicate something different.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/steve-jobs-eulogy-mona-simpson-255109/

His entire family was by his bedside in his final hours of his life. The doctor had given Jobs “a 50/50 chance of making it through the night,” which he made through. Before Jobs spoke his last words, he “looked at his sister Patty, then for a long time at his children, then at his life’s partner, Laurene, then over their shoulders past them.”

The narrative comes from the eulogy written by his sister, Mona Simpson. The eulogy can apparently be seen on the NYT website, but I'm not a subscriber:

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/opinion/mona-simpsons-eulogy-for-steve-jobs.html

Of course, it's possible that only one person was physically present at the precise moment when his life functions officially ended, which is a completely different thing.
 
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sybersitizen said:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/steve-jobs-eulogy-mona-simpson-255109/

His entire family was by his bedside in his final hours of his life. The doctor had given Jobs “a 50/50 chance of making it through the night,” which he made through. Before Jobs spoke his last words, he “looked at his sister Patty, then for a long time at his children, then at his life’s partner, Laurene, then over their shoulders past them.”

The narrative comes from the eulogy written by his sister, Mona Simpson. The eulogy can apparently be seen on the NYT website, but I'm not a subscriber:

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/opinion/mona-simpsons-eulogy-for-steve-jobs.html

Of course, it's possible that only one person was physically present at the precise moment when his life functions officially ended, which is a completely different thing.
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Or it could be the eulogy was a lie. When someone dies even the worst people have people saying nice things about them.
 
tbcass said:
sybersitizen said:
Strobist said:
Brad Bohland said:
Not everyone who uses social media is lonely, just as some people who are socially active can still be lonely if their relationships are shallow (my guess is that Steve Jobs was a very lonely man).
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According to Jony Ive, former head of Apple product design, he was the only one there in the room when Steve Jobs died.

No one from the family, only one employe was there. (Jony Ive).
Click to expand...
Other sources indicate something different.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/steve-jobs-eulogy-mona-simpson-255109/

His entire family was by his bedside in his final hours of his life. The doctor had given Jobs “a 50/50 chance of making it through the night,” which he made through. Before Jobs spoke his last words, he “looked at his sister Patty, then for a long time at his children, then at his life’s partner, Laurene, then over their shoulders past them.”

The narrative comes from the eulogy written by his sister, Mona Simpson. The eulogy can apparently be seen on the NYT website, but I'm not a subscriber:

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/opinion/mona-simpsons-eulogy-for-steve-jobs.html

Of course, it's possible that only one person was physically present at the precise moment when his life functions officially ended, which is a completely different thing.
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Or it could be the eulogy was a lie. When someone dies even the worst people have people saying nice things about them.
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I think it's far more likely that the other claim is the false one. I haven't found anything to support that one. Maybe it was a misconstrued reading of this quote from Ive:

Steve’s last words to me were that he would miss talking together. I was sitting on the floor next to his bed, my back against the wall.

After he died, I walked out into the garden. I remember the sound of the latch on the wooden door as I gently pulled it closed.

In the garden, I sat and thought how talking often gets in the way of listening and thinking. Perhaps that is why so much of our time together was spent quietly.

"Steve's last words to me ..." Those could have been spoken long before he died.

"After he died ..." How long after he died?

"... I walked out into the garden." What garden? Was it Steve's garden, or perhaps one at Ive's own house, where he might have been when he learned that his friend died?

If there's some other quote where Mr. Ive actually said he was the only person present in Jobs' room when he died, then it should be examined further as to the specific moment when that occurred, which might explain why no other people were present.
 
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But my family and most of our friends find facebook an absolutely great way to keep contact with friends from our childhood days to recent that have spread out across the country that before FB we had lost track of completely. And it is also used extensively to communicate with our immediate family that lives away from our location with photos, videos, and messaging. We can just drop into FB any day and find a new video of grandkids doing something new. Plus finding local bargains in used photo equipment that I can drive a couple of miles to hold in my hand and check out typically at prices way under ebay and used outlets. You just have to ignore the scammers and only pay attention to those you know. Sorta like dpr.
 
sybersitizen said:
tbcass said:
Or it could be the eulogy was a lie.
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I think it's far more likely that the other claim is the false one. I haven't found anything to support that one.
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I think this is the most common view of Jobs the person:
  • It has been well established that the Apple cofounder Steve Jobs often acted like a jerk.
  • But in a new memoir, Jobs' eldest daughter describes many ways he was cruel to her.
  • The new anecdotes add color to the many stories of how Jobs was mean or rude to employees and business partners.
  • The net effect is that Jobs looks like a truly terrible person.
  • His rotten behavior was enabled by his wife, his colleagues, and his business partners. https://www.yahoo.com/news/memoir-steve-jobs-apos-daughter-133000491.html
 
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Bob A L said:
But my family and most of our friends find facebook an absolutely great way to keep contact with friends from our childhood days to recent that have spread out across the country that before FB we had lost track of completely. And it is also used extensively to communicate with our immediate family that lives away from our location with photos, videos, and messaging. We can just drop into FB any day and find a new video of grandkids doing something new. Plus finding local bargains in used photo equipment that I can drive a couple of miles to hold in my hand and check out typically at prices way under ebay and used outlets. You just have to ignore the scammers and only pay attention to those you know. Sorta like dpr.
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I have no desire to see the girl who dumped me in the ninth grade, though I probably should thank her.
 
Brad Bohland said:
sybersitizen said:
tbcass said:
Or it could be the eulogy was a lie.
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I think it's far more likely that the other claim is the false one. I haven't found anything to support that one.
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I think this is the most common view of Jobs the person:
  • It has been well established that the Apple cofounder Steve Jobs often acted like a jerk.
  • But in a new memoir, Jobs' eldest daughter describes many ways he was cruel to her.
  • The new anecdotes add color to the many stories of how Jobs was mean or rude to employees and business partners.
  • The net effect is that Jobs looks like a truly terrible person.
  • His rotten behavior was enabled by his wife, his colleagues, and his business partners. https://www.yahoo.com/news/memoir-steve-jobs-apos-daughter-133000491.html
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Stories and revelations about his personality problems are not accounts of his final moments. This claim about his final moments is the one for which I found no support:

"According to Jony Ive, former head of Apple product design, he was the only one there in the room when Steve Jobs died. No one from the family, only one employee was there. (Jony Ive)."

That's the one I consider more likely to be false than the published account from his sister's eulogy where she described several family members being present.
 
Mackiesback said:
Brad Bohland said:
Mark B. said:
Sure, if you want to be cynical about it. But it's certainly possible to have both in-person relationships as well as connect on social media. I've re-connected to many people I've lost touch with in large part due to social media, as well as made new friends (and met in person not just through a screen).
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More than three in five Americans are lonely, with more and more people reporting feeling like they are left out, poorly understood and lacking companionship, according to a new survey released Thursday.
Click to expand...
Was the survey conducted through social media?
Mackiesback said:
Social media use was tied to loneliness as well, with 73% of very heavy social media users considered lonely, as compared with 52% of light users.
Click to expand...
One could argue the amount of loneliness is higher among heavy users, because that is why they are heavy users. Its not necessarily social media that is at fault.
Mackiesback said:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-and-our-workplace-culture-may-not-be-helping

More recent data show that one in five millennials have no friends at all. And a survey released in 2020 found that 71 percent of millennials and almost 79 percent of Gen Z respondents report feeling lonely—a significantly greater proportion than other generations.

Deep friendships are becoming rare, especially among the young.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-young-americans-are-lonely/
Click to expand...
There are some interesting tidbits in all of this, of course. How we interact has changed in many ways. Having that old college friend will probably be a little tough if you are using online courses. But social is just an enhanced communications tool, we have to figure out out to have it as a healthy part of society.
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Interesting remark by David Brooks on the News Hour tonight where he looked into common features of recent young mass shooters and found they were lonely and Brooks went on to say he thinks there is a relationship crisis in America these shooters bring to light.
 
sybersitizen said:
Stories and revelations about his personality problems are not accounts of his final moments. This claim about his final moments is the one for which I found no support:

"According to Jony Ive, former head of Apple product design, he was the only one there in the room when Steve Jobs died. No one from the family, only one employee was there. (Jony Ive)."

That's the one I consider more likely to be false than the published account from his sister's eulogy where she described several family members being present.
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"Steve died peacefully today surrounded by his family."

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Apple-s-Steve-Jobs-dies-at-56-2328394.php
 
Brad Bohland said:
Bob A L said:
But my family and most of our friends find facebook an absolutely great way to keep contact with friends from our childhood days to recent that have spread out across the country that before FB we had lost track of completely. And it is also used extensively to communicate with our immediate family that lives away from our location with photos, videos, and messaging. We can just drop into FB any day and find a new video of grandkids doing something new. Plus finding local bargains in used photo equipment that I can drive a couple of miles to hold in my hand and check out typically at prices way under ebay and used outlets. You just have to ignore the scammers and only pay attention to those you know. Sorta like dpr.
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I have no desire to see the girl who dumped me in the ninth grade, though I probably should thank her.
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Like Bob said, you can ignore scammers and any others you don't want to be in contact with. It's not difficult at all.
 
I don't care if anyone looks at my images on a phone, a computer is a better option and I don't make an orientation decision based on a device that will look at my image,

and video is tough vertically as folks have 2 eyes, so both eyes need their own frame.
 
Tim Reidy Productions said:
I don't care if anyone looks at my images on a phone, a computer is a better option and I don't make an orientation decision based on a device that will look at my image,

and video is tough vertically as folks have 2 eyes, so both eyes need their own frame.
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When I see a vertical image on TV I have an urge to lay on my side! :-)
 
I like satire, but come on, really. I thought you shoot what makes sense. So do I: I shoot CCD or CMOSS sensors or horizontal or vertical according to what makes sense.

I think I will ask Pete Turner or Jay Maisel what they think.
 
Brad Bohland said:
Mackiesback said:
Brad Bohland said:
Mark B. said:
Sure, if you want to be cynical about it. But it's certainly possible to have both in-person relationships as well as connect on social media. I've re-connected to many people I've lost touch with in large part due to social media, as well as made new friends (and met in person not just through a screen).
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More than three in five Americans are lonely, with more and more people reporting feeling like they are left out, poorly understood and lacking companionship, according to a new survey released Thursday.
Click to expand...
Was the survey conducted through social media?
Brad Bohland said:
Social media use was tied to loneliness as well, with 73% of very heavy social media users considered lonely, as compared with 52% of light users.
Click to expand...
One could argue the amount of loneliness is higher among heavy users, because that is why they are heavy users. Its not necessarily social media that is at fault.
Brad Bohland said:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-and-our-workplace-culture-may-not-be-helping

More recent data show that one in five millennials have no friends at all. And a survey released in 2020 found that 71 percent of millennials and almost 79 percent of Gen Z respondents report feeling lonely—a significantly greater proportion than other generations.

Deep friendships are becoming rare, especially among the young.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-young-americans-are-lonely/
Click to expand...
There are some interesting tidbits in all of this, of course. How we interact has changed in many ways. Having that old college friend will probably be a little tough if you are using online courses. But social is just an enhanced communications tool, we have to figure out out to have it as a healthy part of society.
Click to expand...
Interesting remark by David Brooks on the News Hour tonight where he looked into common features of recent young mass shooters and found they were lonely and Brooks went on to say he thinks there is a relationship crisis in America these shooters bring to light.
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I am sure they were, but why were they? Maybe because they possessed personality traits that would make people uncomfortable being friends with them? Is loneliness the problem, or those personality traits? Its very rare that a popular person with an active social life would go on a shooting spree. The personality profiles of these shooters seems to follow a trend.
 
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