A7 iv or R iv for the same price?

I can't tell for sure but bottom left looks like the lowest resolution and maybe (less sure) bottom right is the highest resolution. Though in this case "resolution" means the sharpest and/or most details that lead to that photo and there could be other factors, like AA filter, the specific way their down sampling works, etc.

I disagree (not necessarily with you) that there is a "correct" way to compare e.g. up scaling to the larger size or down sampling to the smaller size. The way to compare is the way you want to use the photos. Even down sampling to the smaller size is irrelevant if you never view at that size. But, sometimes you want to look at details 100% (or the largest size that would still look good) so you don't compare at a certain size regardless of camera.

For example in concert photos I almost always only need them at web sizes, like a full size on an average screen or phone. It doesn't matter how they compare at 100% but I crop a little occasionally. For some macro photos (usually 1x to 5x magnification) I have printed very large before (almost 2m width) and like to look at the largest size on screen to see all the detail (usually at 100%). I remember seeing a comparison that showed how in web sizes, photos from the A7SIII actually looked better than higher resolution cameras (I think photos were about 3mp). Some hobbyists might want to crop a lot (e.g. have a family scene and then crop just their kid from it).

I agree with you in general...
 
Everyone is missing the point here.



where can I get an a7r IV for $2500??? Thanks
 
Then I'd be questioning the printers ability.

I've made prints up to 5' (feet!) on the long side with a Fuji X-T3 that came out spectacular.

I regularly print at your size -50X75cm, and always get results that are tack sharp, and grain/noise free.
Yes. I've had 2m wide prints (almost 80") from a 24MP camera that looked great. Sure there would be more detail with more MP, but it was still very good. I didn't decide the print sizes based on the camera/MP. I just checked what was the largest I could do in that case (for other reasons), did a few small tests in that size, it was good, went with it, and it was great. Even things like the type of paper makes a huge difference though.
 
Everyone is missing the point here.

where can I get an a7r IV for $2500??? Thanks
OP might've been looking at a used one since he said he found it locally... I paid about $2,700 for mine (new) since it was $3K at the time (2020) with an additional $300 back in reward points (plus $180 in lens discounts for the two I bought with it). The A version and availability + shortages kinda reset pricing back up to $3.5K tho. I imagine it'll be back to $3K for the holidays, maybe less depending on when the Mk V is really slated to come out.
 
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Everyone is missing the point here.

where can I get an a7r IV for $2500??? Thanks
Do you have a college student or professor in the family?

Try educational discount at B&H, and save the sale tax with Payboo card!
 
I’ve seen them used at that price before at my local stores in Philadelphia.
 
if you care about support via firmware, via community, a much better user experience, and video, the A7iv

if you care to print above 40" on the long end and do it often, or the type to use crop mode a lot and want the highest possible resolution for said mode, the RIV.

A7iv is a hybrid that balances everything well, very good video, very good stills. The RIV excels at landscapes, and even then, I don't think it's a whole lot better, I know a lot of landscape photos that don't even print.... and surely have not worked their way up to a 40" print..... you work your way on to that goal, and you will know your limitations right away if that's the case.
 
If you desperately need that resolution difference - RIV. In every other case - a7IV
it really is that simple, the A7iv has massive advantages in almost every single scenario and it shouldn't be ignored.

similar to the A7rii vs A7iii debates of yesteryear, the A7iii advantages made many high res shooters opt for the lower resolution...
 
if you care about support via firmware,
many material firmware updates yet?
via community, a much better user experience, and video, the A7iv

if you care to print above 40" on the long end and do it often, or the type to use crop mode a lot and want the highest possible resolution for said mode, the RIV.
this argument loses the point that the a7riv is just a very good sensor, that produces nicer output at much lower resolutions, partially due to not being anti aliased.
A7iv is a hybrid that balances everything well, very good video, very good stills. The RIV excels at landscapes, and even then, I don't think it's a whole lot better, I know a lot of landscape photos that don't even print.... and surely have not worked their way up to a 40" print..... you work your way on to that goal, and you will know your limitations right away if that's the case.
The a7iv is a terrificly balanced camera, but it’s not cheap. At say 1899, I would probably agree with you, but you are comparing a high end camera with a high end sensor, to a well balanced prosumer camera. There are no real weaknesses in the a7iv, and you rarely need more than 33mp, it’s just that the a7riv sensor is much better for stills.
 
if you care about support via firmware, via community, a much better user experience, and video, the A7iv

if you care to print above 40" on the long end and do it often, or the type to use crop mode a lot and want the highest possible resolution for said mode, the RIV.

A7iv is a hybrid that balances everything well, very good video, very good stills. The RIV excels at landscapes, and even then, I don't think it's a whole lot better, I know a lot of landscape photos that don't even print.... and surely have not worked their way up to a 40" print..... you work your way on to that goal, and you will know your limitations right away if that's the case.
if you're addressing me or the OP, but I for one do not need your advice.
 
Just because I hear so often that the A7R IV can't capture moving subjects, a couple images from today:

A Common Blue Damselfly in flight.
A Common Blue Damselfly in flight.

A Threadtail Damselfly in flight. This damselfly is about 1 1/2 times larger than the tiny Common Blue.
A Threadtail Damselfly in flight. This damselfly is about 1 1/2 times larger than the tiny Common Blue.

Although these were photographed around MFD with the A7R IV's 26mp crop mode and 300mm equivalent FL, there were still plenty of pixels to crop them further.

The A7 IV is an excellent camera. I would be happy to own one. The A7R IV is an excellent camera. The best one is what works best for the user who learns how to get the best results FROM EITHER.

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I just purchased a like new A7r IV with only 8 activations from eBay for 2070 USD. This seems a bit less than the going price for A7 IV. The first thing I noticed is that the A7r IV is only incrementally better than my previous A7r II and like the A7r II is nearly useless for video. I couldn't believe that after two generations Sony still had no E-stabilization. Don't even dream of video while walking. The other video controls are exceptionally weak, so I guess that Sony was not serious about video at this point.

For stills the A7r IV is okay-- the best I can say about it is that it is easy and simple to use because it doesn't have very many features compared to modern cameras. The manual is only 100 pages vs. Panasonic GH6 manual at about 800 pages. I'm still evaluating the image quality to see if the fractionally greater pixel count compared to A7r II is noticeable. Even my cell phone (Galaxy S22 Ultra) has more megapixels that than A7r IV at 100 mp for the main lens, although less for the other four built in lenses.

I plan to keep the A7r IV and use it only for portrait type shots with blurry background and bokeh. For telephoto shots up to 800mm equivalent, the Panasonic GH6 and.GX9 are much more convenient and can also do stabilized video at high quality and high frame rates.

I can't speak for the A7 IV as I have not used it, but I'm guessing it will also share the weak stabilization of the other Sony cameras, but not a problem if you carry a tripod.
 
I just purchased a like new A7r IV with only 8 activations from eBay for 2070 USD. This seems a bit less than the going price for A7 IV. The first thing I noticed is that the A7r IV is only incrementally better than my previous A7r II and like the A7r II is nearly useless for video. I couldn't believe that after two generations Sony still had no E-stabilization. Don't even dream of video while walking. The other video controls are exceptionally weak, so I guess that Sony was not serious about video at this point.

For stills the A7r IV is okay-- the best I can say about it is that it is easy and simple to use because it doesn't have very many features compared to modern cameras. The manual is only 100 pages vs. Panasonic GH6 manual at about 800 pages. I'm still evaluating the image quality to see if the fractionally greater pixel count compared to A7r II is noticeable. Even my cell phone (Galaxy S22 Ultra) has more megapixels that than A7r IV at 100 mp for the main lens, although less for the other four built in lenses.

I plan to keep the A7r IV and use it only for portrait type shots with blurry background and bokeh. For telephoto shots up to 800mm equivalent, the Panasonic GH6 and.GX9 are much more convenient and can also do stabilized video at high quality and high frame rates.

I can't speak for the A7 IV as I have not used it, but I'm guessing it will also share the weak stabilization of the other Sony cameras, but not a problem if you carry a tripod.
 
Thanks, good to know.
 
I just purchased a like new A7r IV with only 8 activations from eBay for 2070 USD. This seems a bit less than the going price for A7 IV. The first thing I noticed is that the A7r IV is only incrementally better than my previous A7r II and like the A7r II is nearly useless for video. I couldn't believe that after two generations Sony still had no E-stabilization. Don't even dream of video while walking. The other video controls are exceptionally weak, so I guess that Sony was not serious about video at this point.

For stills the A7r IV is okay-- the best I can say about it is that it is easy and simple to use because it doesn't have very many features compared to modern cameras.
Consigned to the dustbin of history already? Who knew?
The manual is only 100 pages vs. Panasonic GH6 manual at about 800 pages. I'm still evaluating the image quality to see if the fractionally greater pixel count compared to A7r II is noticeable.
Spoiler alert,117 MP raw beats 41 every time for fine detail :^)
Even my cell phone (Galaxy S22 Ultra) has more megapixels that than A7r IV at 100 mp for the main lens, although less for the other four built in lenses.

I plan to keep the A7r IV and use it only for portrait type shots with blurry background and bokeh. For telephoto shots up to 800mm equivalent, the Panasonic GH6 and.GX9 are much more convenient and can also do stabilized video at high quality and high frame rates.

I can't speak for the A7 IV as I have not used it, but I'm guessing it will also share the weak stabilization of the other Sony cameras, but not a problem if you carry a tripod.
 
I just purchased a like new A7r IV with only 8 activations from eBay for 2070 USD. This seems a bit less than the going price for A7 IV. The first thing I noticed is that the A7r IV is only incrementally better than my previous A7r II and like the A7r II is nearly useless for video. I couldn't believe that after two generations Sony still had no E-stabilization. Don't even dream of video while walking. The other video controls are exceptionally weak, so I guess that Sony was not serious about video at this point.

For stills the A7r IV is okay-- the best I can say about it is that it is easy and simple to use because it doesn't have very many features compared to modern cameras. The manual is only 100 pages vs. Panasonic GH6 manual at about 800 pages. I'm still evaluating the image quality to see if the fractionally greater pixel count compared to A7r II is noticeable. Even my cell phone (Galaxy S22 Ultra) has more megapixels that than A7r IV at 100 mp for the main lens, although less for the other four built in lenses.

I plan to keep the A7r IV and use it only for portrait type shots with blurry background and bokeh. For telephoto shots up to 800mm equivalent, the Panasonic GH6 and.GX9 are much more convenient and can also do stabilized video at high quality and high frame rates.

I can't speak for the A7 IV as I have not used it, but I'm guessing it will also share the weak stabilization of the other Sony cameras, but not a problem if you carry a tripod.
 
Thanks everyone for all your valuable insights. It’s great to hear both sides of the story. After deep thinking and going back and forth, I finally ordered A7iv.
Few reasons for this :
  • as tempting as the Riv is, it will soon clog up the workflow due to file sizes
  • i don’t want to think twice to take as many photos as I can. Riv might limit me from doing this due to file sizes
  • With the IV I am getting Sony’s latest autofocus and other new gen refinements
  • I have the option of video features when needed
i am a prime lens person, so I’ve ordered Sony 20mm 1.8, plus 85mm 1.5. I don’t normally use the focal lengthS inbetween.



i will keep you updated of my experience.

peace
 
Thanks everyone for all your valuable insights. It’s great to hear both sides of the story. After deep thinking and going back and forth, I finally ordered A7iv.
Few reasons for this :
  • as tempting as the Riv is, it will soon clog up the workflow due to file sizes
  • i don’t want to think twice to take as many photos as I can. Riv might limit me from doing this due to file sizes
  • With the IV I am getting Sony’s latest autofocus and other new gen refinements
  • I have the option of video features when needed
i am a prime lens person, so I’ve ordered Sony 20mm 1.8, plus 85mm 1.5. I don’t normally use the focal lengthS inbetween.

i will keep you updated of my experience.

peace
I believe that for your type of photography, you have made the right choice. So good luck with and have fun with your new camera and lenses when they arrive.
 
That "100mp" sensor on your Samsung is not comparable by any metric to a modern high resolution FF camera. It's pure marketing jargon and has no basis on how current smartphone sensors actually read data.
 

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