Passing on the GR IIIx

You are preaching to the choir ;-)

I would like the same thing but am very pessimistic on that subject

Harold
I think if you got your hands on a GRIII you may not believe it to be the complete downgrade from the GRII that you envision.
Well in my case i do not need to got my hands on one as the absence of the 4.3 ratio makes the model useless FOR ME. I shoot 99,99% of all my images in that ratio so here you go
Since I go back to the Stone Age of film cameras, I don't seem to mind, and in fact like, the 3:2 aspect ratio since it's the same as 35mm.

But clearly 4:3 is super important to you so I get it.
Granted, some of the hardware is missing, but there is an 8MP gain and IBIS and a few other...goodies.
considering this is only a three axis ibis and that most of my pictures including people moving in the frame , it is not a big deal for me
They may have added IBIS in an effort to add the sensor dust shaker. But I do some night street shooting and IBIS comes in handy. I can shoot hand-held at 1/20 sec. with virtually no problems.
the GR3 models currently cost around 1,000 dollars . I would gladly pay double that for a gr2 and gr2x with ALL features of the gr2 with just the NEW SENSOR and the new internal memory of the gr3

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You are preaching to the choir ;-)

I would like the same thing but am very pessimistic on that subject

Harold
I think if you got your hands on a GRIII you may not believe it to be the complete downgrade from the GRII that you envision.
Well in my case i do not need to got my hands on one as the absence of the 4.3 ratio makes the model useless FOR ME. I shoot 99,99% of all my images in that ratio so here you go
Since I go back to the Stone Age of film cameras, I don't seem to mind, and in fact like, the 3:2 aspect ratio since it's the same as 35mm.
I , too , am not a newcomer . When I discovered photography more than 35 years ago , i did start with 35mm film cameras . But once I started shooting in medium format with film cameras using 4.5x6 and 6x7 it really changed my output and my photographic vision..and I never looked back at 35mm
But clearly 4:3 is super important to you so I get it.
good 😌
Granted, some of the hardware is missing, but there is an 8MP gain and IBIS and a few other...goodies.
considering this is only a three axis ibis and that most of my pictures including people moving in the frame , it is not a big deal for me
They may have added IBIS in an effort to add the sensor dust shaker
yes i remember all the posters here who were convicted that the IBIS would solve the GR dust issue once and for all. But it is now clear that this is not the case 😔
. But I do some night street shooting and IBIS comes in handy. I can shoot hand-held at 1/20 sec. with virtually no problems.
Good. As for me , i must admit that, regardless of the camera, i never seem to be able to maintain the low speeds that mist people say they can handhold their camera

i must be a « shaker » 😯🤣

Fortunately for my main system , I have dual IS on almost all my lens/bodies combinations

Harold
 
You are preaching to the choir ;-)

I would like the same thing but am very pessimistic on that subject

Harold
I think if you got your hands on a GRIII you may not believe it to be the complete downgrade from the GRII that you envision.
Well in my case i do not need to got my hands on one as the absence of the 4.3 ratio makes the model useless FOR ME. I shoot 99,99% of all my images in that ratio so here you go
Since I go back to the Stone Age of film cameras, I don't seem to mind, and in fact like, the 3:2 aspect ratio since it's the same as 35mm.
I , too , am not a newcomer . When I discovered photography more than 35 years ago , i did start with 35mm film cameras . But once I started shooting in medium format with film cameras using 4.5x6 and 6x7 it really changed my output and my photographic vision..and I never looked back at 35mm
But clearly 4:3 is super important to you so I get it.
good 😌
Granted, some of the hardware is missing, but there is an 8MP gain and IBIS and a few other...goodies.
considering this is only a three axis ibis and that most of my pictures including people moving in the frame , it is not a big deal for me
They may have added IBIS in an effort to add the sensor dust shaker
yes i remember all the posters here who were convicted that the IBIS would solve the GR dust issue once and for all. But it is now clear that this is not the case 😔
As a default setting on the GRIII it's set to shake the sensor at start-up and turn-off, so they know it's an issue. To the best of my knowledge it does nothing, or at least nothing with My dust. I had to send it back into the doctor's under warranty.
. But I do some night street shooting and IBIS comes in handy. I can shoot hand-held at 1/20 sec. with virtually no problems.
Good. As for me , i must admit that, regardless of the camera, i never seem to be able to maintain the low speeds that mist people say they can handhold their camera
I try to use techniques at night like bracing my elbows against my side or leaning against something for support. There is also a way to wind up the wrist strap that quiets the movement. I have mine GR set to bottom out at 1/20th but I've seen people hand-hold down to 1/5th and the pics still look decent. Either I'm doing a decent job or I'm not looking at my photos closely enough afterward. ;)
i must be a « shaker » 😯🤣

Fortunately for my main system , I have dual IS on almost all my lens/bodies combinations

Harold
 
Harold666 - you have a big opinion on a camera you have never used and your very first statement in this thread about the GR3 not having the genius mode (one press M), is completely false. Likewise you have said GR3 has no back button focus, which again is absolutely false. No need to tell everyone your false justification for why you think the GR2 is better. I assumed you had owned or at least used the 3, I have not read many of your posts to know your camera history no. But I have seen your opinion on the GR3 vs GR2 on this thread and on Ricoh product news on the homepage.

I did not comment on the vignette issue, I was originally on here discussing “Ricoh Rings” on the first GR.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3542566

My first post in 2013 it looks like.

Ricoh were vignette correcting the raw files with visible low bit correction which they silently “fixed” with the obscure ambient brightness setting. So I know about Lens vignetting on the GR series. I have both cameras and have compared files, and with the raw files Ricoh give us with ambient brightness - original (GR2) and peripheral illumination correction OFF(GR3) —which in normal terms is vignette correction OFF. Exported the files using simple non commercial raw algorithm conversion that do not apply any corrections at all. Vignetting at 2.8 is about exactly the same, if anything the GR3 a fraction better. So again, false information!

anyway, I stand by my opinion that the GR3 is the better camera today. They both have +/- that in my opinion could be improved but that is just my opinion. Give the GR3 a go for a few months before buying a 2k£€$¥ GR2, wink. Then come and give us your final opinion.
 
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Harold666 - you have a big opinion on a camera you have never used and your very first statement in this thread about the GR3 not having the genius mode (one press M), is completely false.
i asked you the question when you first said that and you never answered it 🤨. The plus/ minus lever is gone . So i suppose this one press M is available in some other way , probably with the touchscreen. Is that correct ? I would appreciate if you could confirm how this is done on the GR3
Likewise you have said GR3 has no back button focus, which again is absolutely false. No need to tell everyone your false justification for why you think the GR2 is better.
Again you are twisting what i said . The GR 1 and 2 have a DEDICATED back focus button and the GR 3 took that out . This is a fact and I hope you are not going to deny that

While i thought this was a drawback, I thought that i would make this issue less relevant by assigning this function to the FN button on the Gr3 which i was confirmed by a Gr3 user that i could do

Therefore this would have been a workaround that i could live with even if it meant that i would lose TWO function buttons compared to the GR2

BUT yesterday someone on this ricoh forum told me that even if i do that , it would not be possible to have the focus lock kept until i press the button again. In other words i would have to lock the focus on every single image

so now i would really like to know if this is the case . How does that focus lock button work on the GR3
hopefully someone can confirm this



Harold
 
Harold666 - you have a big opinion on a camera you have never used
This one i wanted to reply in a separate post because , while sounding like a valid argument on the face of it , it is actually ignoring a basic fact

I am going to give you a few examples to show while this argument should not apply here

The Gr3 also removed the built-in flash present in the older models . Personally i never use a built-in flash in ANY cameras i have ever owned

Now suppose that you are a Gr user who uses the built in flash on most of your images. Then when you see the features of the new model, you therefore do not want to buy the camera and say the new model is USELESS FOR ME because it does not have the built in flash

SO in this case would you say that one needs to buy a camera before expressing an opinion EVEN IF you know already that the new model does not have a feature essential for the way you use the camera ?



The GR3 lacks a feature which i use ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the time .This is why saying i would need to buy the GR3 to be able to say that the new model does not work for me is preposterous 🤨

Different people have different needs . I have never said that nobody should like this Gr3 . I have just explained why people should be aware of the differences between both models 😌
 
One press M can be assigned to any function button on GR3.

The fn button on GR3 is in the same place as the dedicated af-ae button, and can be assigned to back button focus. Any fn button on GR3 can be “back focussing”. I made a thread about this, how it operates and how the GR2 does it better though :

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4633900#forum-post-65982259

though if you never used a camera it isn’t quite easy to understand how it feels in use. The GR3 gains touch screen which has many benefits for focus over GR2.

But yes the GR3 loses the +/- toggle, but it was never implemented well on the GR2 anyway - direct iso in manual would have been good option. It was wasted being locked to that special mode you didn’t think the GR3 has. The GR3 gains the rear dial though, but also that could be implemented better by giving user customisation of aperture/shutter/(Direct)iso/exp comp on any dial/ lever in all exposure modes. The GR3 loses the dedicated af-ae button, but the GR3 is better in the respect that people who don’t want a dedicated af-ae button don’t have a button locked to one function like the GR2. And the people who do want it can put it on any function button. Both cameras should allow the WB button to be a user custom button.

Basically there are handling differences, both work very well, both have frustrations, both could be improved. Overall taking into account everything, the GR3 user interface is better though.

So the GR3 doesn’t have a feature you want fine, but do not make posts with false Information about a camera you have never used.

Tell me why you claim GR3 has more vignetting. Because it is false.
 
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One press M can be assigned to any function button on GR3.
Ok this is better than nothing for sure .

In practical what it means is this . Assuming the Gr3 wifi/video button can be assigned to something else , I have to dedicate the two physical function buttons to one press M and back focus button

which means that in the end the Gr3 has THREE more fn buttons than the Gr3
The fn button on GR3 is in the same place as the dedicated af-ae button, and can be assigned to back button focus. Any fn button on GR3 can be “back focussing”. I made a thread about this, how it operates and how the GR2 does it better though :

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4633900#forum-post-65982259

though if you never used a camera it isn’t quite easy to understand how it feels in use.
cheap shot . I am sure if it is there I can use it
The GR3 gains touch screen which has many benefits for focus over GR2.
sure but if Ricoh had kept the body of the Gr2 , they still would have been able to add touchscreen functions
But yes the GR3 loses the +/- toggle, but it was never implemented well on the GR2 anyway - direct iso in manual would have been good option.
as you said , you can assign a function button to it and you see directly on the screen
It was wasted being locked to that special mode you didn’t think the GR3 has.
it is good that it is an option but what I said was that they removed the direct lever to do it which is not the same thing
Overall taking into account everything, the GR3 user interface is better though.
For those of us who do not want to rely on touchscreen , I do think that the Gr3 is less customisable
So the GR3 doesn’t have a feature you want fine, but do not make posts with false Information about a camera you have never used.
Not sure what you are talking about . I said that the Gr3 does not have a dedicated af back focus button which is a fact
 
OK you keep making more false exaggerated statements that I am bored having to correct.

3 less custom function buttons, haha can you stop making stuff up? The +/- rocker and ae-af button on the GR2 are fixed function button.

Prove your claim the GR3 lens has more vignette.
 
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OK you keep making more false exaggerated statements that I am bored having to correct.

3 less custom function buttons, haha can you stop making stuff up? The +/- rocker and ae-af button on the GR2 are fixed function button.
This reply clearly shows you do not take the time to read my posts carefully before teplying to them 🤔

and this is also dishonest to write words that I never wrote 😤

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Harold666, you skip over most of what I’m saying. You have a preconceived idea that the GR2 is better, make false exaggerated claims to justify your opinion and then spread your false facts to bolster your personal preference opinion for the GR2. It is of no benefit to Ricoh or new users or potential new users. So stop it. You haven’t even used the camera.


Last time, show me that the GR3 has worse vignette. You said it as fact. It is absolutely not.
 
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Harold666, you skip over most of what I’m saying. You have a preconceived idea that the GR2 is better,
it is an opinion . some people think the Gr3 is better . and it is also an opinion . depending on what s most important for them , people would have different opinions on this question.

No problem for me . so why would it be a problem for you ?
make false exaggerated claims to justify your opinion
well not so if you were quoting me . I am still waiting to hear from you on the " three less custom function buttons" fake quote
and then spread your false facts to bolster your personal preference opinion for the GR2.
the GR2 has more function buttons and dials than the GR3. it is a fact
It is of no benefit to Ricoh or new users or potential new users.
why not let them decide that for themselves ?
So stop it.
this is a free forum . You are not the police

Amazing and sad how these days , lost of people do not tolerate people to express their opinions if it does not match theirs :-(

Harold
 
“ which means that in the end the Gr3 has THREE more fn buttons than the Gr3” HAROLD666, I assume you meant the GR2 has THREE more. Did I really have to requote you from a couple posts back?

I’m not going to repeat myself in explaining that you are absolutely wrong to say the GR2 has more dials and buttons. Get the camera, use it, reread what I said.

You made this assumption “ For those of us who do not want to rely on touchscreen , I do think that the Gr3 is less customisable” Wrong again, The touchscreen only adds functionality. You can turn it off, nobody has to rely on it at all and with it off the GR3 is still just as customisable, if not more so than the GR2.

“Amazing and sad how these days , lost of people do not tolerate people to express their opinions if it does not match theirs :(

You are mixing up your own emotions and opinions as facts, spreading nonsense on public forums doing Ricoh absolutely no benefit.

So your opinion is that the GR3 has worst vignette, that is an adorable opinion, a very cute opinion, an opinion I honour and praise you for being so gracious to share. OK, now prove it with facts and evidence please.
 
Fascinating… I passed on a phase one. 🥴
 
Harold666 - you have a big opinion on a camera you have never used
This one i wanted to reply in a separate post because , while sounding like a valid argument on the face of it , it is actually ignoring a basic fact

I am going to give you a few examples to show while this argument should not apply here

The Gr3 also removed the built-in flash present in the older models . Personally i never use a built-in flash in ANY cameras i have ever owned

Now suppose that you are a Gr user who uses the built in flash on most of your images. Then when you see the features of the new model, you therefore do not want to buy the camera and say the new model is USELESS FOR ME because it does not have the built in flash

SO in this case would you say that one needs to buy a camera before expressing an opinion EVEN IF you know already that the new model does not have a feature essential for the way you use the camera ?

The GR3 lacks a feature which i use ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the time .This is why saying i would need to buy the GR3 to be able to say that the new model does not work for me is preposterous 🤨

Different people have different needs . I have never said that nobody should like this Gr3 . I have just explained why people should be aware of the differences between both models 😌
Harold, apologies for interrupting your conversation with reeluff, but I wanted to comment on the GRIII touchscreen for a moment.

I really have to remind myself to use the touchscreen more often but the one area I do use it for touch focusing on off-center items. It does have the capacity to touch focus and shoot as well but I use the shutter button to shoot. Just a personal preference.

I keep forgetting to use the touchscreen to choose different image control profiles and other functions as the Adj dial is pretty quick and my thumb is usually already there.

I was concerned about the use of the touchscreen once I applied a screen protector but this hasn't been an issue and it seems just as responsive as before.

Also, if you tend to shoot people the eye/face detection comes in handy as part of the newer software. I'm not sure this was or is available in the GRII.
 
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Harold666 - you have a big opinion on a camera you have never used
This one i wanted to reply in a separate post because , while sounding like a valid argument on the face of it , it is actually ignoring a basic fact

I am going to give you a few examples to show while this argument should not apply here

The Gr3 also removed the built-in flash present in the older models . Personally i never use a built-in flash in ANY cameras i have ever owned

Now suppose that you are a Gr user who uses the built in flash on most of your images. Then when you see the features of the new model, you therefore do not want to buy the camera and say the new model is USELESS FOR ME because it does not have the built in flash

SO in this case would you say that one needs to buy a camera before expressing an opinion EVEN IF you know already that the new model does not have a feature essential for the way you use the camera ?

The GR3 lacks a feature which i use ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the time .This is why saying i would need to buy the GR3 to be able to say that the new model does not work for me is preposterous 🤨

Different people have different needs . I have never said that nobody should like this Gr3 . I have just explained why people should be aware of the differences between both models 😌
Harold, apologies for interrupting your conversation with reeluff,
No problem and tbh I am not even sure that this even qualifies as a conversation :-O
but I wanted to comment on the GRIII touchscreen for a moment.

I really have to remind myself to use the touchscreen more often but the one area I do use it for touch focusing on off-center items. It does have the capacity to touch focus and shoot as well but I use the shutter button to shoot.
Just a personal preference.
exactly that . Personally , the only area where I like to use a touchscreen is for review and playback mode but as you said it is good to have the option for those who like it
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Also, if you tend to shoot people the eye/face detection comes in handy as part of the newer software. I'm not sure this was or is available in the GRII.
You are right , I forgot about that . This is definitely a plus in some situations . so that makes Three things of the GRIII that I would like to get from my GR2 :-D:-D

Harold
 
Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
 
To the Harold66 & Reeluff show…have u thought about just emailing each other! Anyone have anything NEW to talk about the GRiii?
 
Thought about buying the new GR, but decided no, I'll stick with my older GRII.

Why? Well, the GR II has a built-in flash, an AEL/AFL lock button, TAv on the top dial, and crop mode at 35mm and 47mm equivs. ...
...AND an exposure lever with a genius implementation in manual mode
I agree with your description: "genius implementation", my favorite thing about GR cameras. i believe there is a GR3 workaround for this. (I don't own a GR3)
AND the option to shoot with the 4:3 ratio like all others GR before it ( crucial for me and very useful for vertical images)
a totally ridiculous and not understandable omission
AND an additional function button

AND a dpad better than the cheap rear wheel of the GRIIi

AND a better battery life

AND less vignetting at full aperture
really?
I may even forget a few but welcome to the club of people who understood that despite the newer sensor , the GRIII models are in many ways a downgrade compared to its predecessor

The newer model is clearly targeting a larger audience of users “in my jeans pocket camera” and touchscreen users 🧐🤨

Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺

Harold
 
Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness 🥺
It is still pretty unique...and are you really still complaining about the GRIII every chance you get on this forum?
Agree, Yes it is unique. As for other brands, You can't get a Nikon Coolpix A easily and there was no upgrade. Fujifilm X70 have become expensive and no X80 in sight.

No matter the "complaints", the GR III has sold well enough to those of us who are enjoying the images from them.

Recent announcements show there will be more GR versions coming. :-)
 

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