Passing on the GR IIIx

Thought about buying the new GR, but decided no, I'll stick with my older GRII.

Why? Well, the GR II has a built-in flash, an AEL/AFL lock button, TAv on the top dial, and crop mode at 35mm and 47mm equivs. ... to go with the 28mm lens, and I use both it and the 35mm crop a lot. So am happy, though always tempted by a new GR... I go back to the Digital IV. Don't know what it would take for Ricoh to get me to upgrade. Maybe a GR II redo with a much better low-light sensor, and Apple AirDrop software for easy transfer to iPhone or iPad... and the little flash able to angle up for bounce flash. Can't think of much else... maybe weatherproofing, which might be impossible on a small camera with a moving lens?

Jon Donahue said:

Thought about buying the new GR, but decided no, I'll stick with my older GRII.

Why? Well, the GR II has a built-in flash, an AEL/AFL lock button, TAv on the top dial, and crop mode at 35mm and 47mm equivs. ...

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...AND an exposure lever with a genius implementation in manual mode

AND the option to shoot with the 4:3 ratio like all others GR before it ( crucial for me and very useful for vertical images)

AND an additional function button

AND a dpad better than the cheap rear wheel of the GRIIi

AND a better battery life

AND less vignetting at full aperture

I may even forget a few but welcome to the club of people who understood that despite the newer sensor , the GRIII models are in many ways a downgrade compared to its predecessor

The newer model is clearly targeting a larger audience of users “in my jeans pocket camera” and touchscreen users

Ricoh may sell more of the camera but lost part of its uniqueness

Harold

There is certainly no major reason why you would need to upgrade. You already know the benefits and features discontinued in the GRIII.

Like all new models of just about anything, some will find it better while others find it worse.

The GRIII does have the in-camera crop modes so I'm not sure I understand your comment there.

Edit: I apologize, I see that you were talking about the IIIx, not the III.

I’d like to lovingly smoosh the GR/2/3 together. Both have +/-, i would say the 3 is just a bit better overall to compete in the current marketplace. As OP says though, it isn’t an obvious need over the previous gen for many.

Harold, the 2 has its issues too though.

1. Are you talking about 1 press M on the +/- lever? The GR3 can do that too. Honestly I find that lever wasted in M mode, it could have been customizeable to have been direct iso, now that would have been great. The GR3 handles iso selection and exp comp much better in the ui, because it does it on the main shooting screen without dipping into sub screens that takeaway from the shooting flow and removes the histogram, so can’t accurately select a new iso, exp compensation. the GR3 has highlight/ zebra warning live, which is easily my preferred exposure shooting aid, and a more responsive histogram that shows clipping nice and clearly in red. Much better.

2.agree on 4:3

3.i think the rear dial feels good, it just could be utilised better with user customisation.

4.battery life is poor because of having to push 50% more pixels and ibis, and wanting to keep the camera small, means small battery. Is what it is. I would choose a bigger battery and slightly bigger body, but many wouldn’t want that.

i think the GR3 is still unique and has its core DNA. Ricoh need to sell cameras, and clearly smaller and ibis was a good choice in that regard. It does feel more like a gadget than a camera now though, which I can feel could lose its appeal for many more if it goes too far that way. If it ends up an rx100/ g7x clone then I would drop out. They definitely can not drop ibis or touch screen or other modern nice things going forward. In some ways the GR/2 feels ancient now. It wouldn’t compete today. As great as it is. The GR3 is better.

I reckon the next GR will pull all the prev.gen GR preferrers back interested , I think they need to.

reeluff said:

I’d like to lovingly smoosh the GR/2/3 together. Both have +/-, i would say the 3 is just a bit better overall to compete in the current marketplace. As OP says though, it isn’t an obvious need over the previous gen for many.

Harold, the 2 has its issues too though.

1. Are you talking about 1 press M on the +/- lever? The GR3 can do that too.

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How ? since that lever is gone , not sure how you achieve that on the GR3

it is not like I would want to assign the FN button there as this one would already be taken for the back focus button that Ricoh also removed :-(

reeluff said:

Honestly I find that lever wasted in M mode, it could have been customizeable to have been direct iso, now that would have been great. T

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no because the Gr2 already has the adj iso wheel

reeluff said:

he GR3 handles iso selection and exp comp much better in the ui, because it does it on the main shooting screen without dipping into sub screens that takeaway from the shooting flow and removes the histogram,

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you must now have customised your GR2 correctly cause I do not need to get into the sunscreen to change those both parameters

Plus I think you are missing my point on the plus/minus lever which was specifically about what this lever does in manual mode

reeluff said:

2.agree on 4:3

3.i think the rear dial feels good, it just could be utilised better with user customisation.

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good It works for you

reeluff said:

4.battery life is poor because of having to push 50% more pixels and ibis, and wanting to keep the camera small, means small battery.

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yeah here is the rub. the reduction is size led to a lot of compromises :-(

reeluff said:

Is what it is. I would choose a bigger battery and slightly bigger body, but many wouldn’t want that.

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possibly. as I said , it is a different clientele for a large part

reeluff said:

i tIn some ways the GR/2 feels ancient now. It wouldn’t compete today. As great as it is. The GR3 is better.

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I disagree

reeluff said:

I reckon the next GR will pull all the prev.gen GR preferrers back interested , I think they need to.

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I doubt it . I think they are going to make more entry users choices for the next model

Harold

Harold66 said:

reeluff said:

I’d like to lovingly smoosh the GR/2/3 together. Both have +/-, i would say the 3 is just a bit better overall to compete in the current marketplace. As OP says though, it isn’t an obvious need over the previous gen for many.

Harold, the 2 has its issues too though.

1. Are you talking about 1 press M on the +/- lever? The GR3 can do that too.

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How ? since that lever is gone , not sure how you achieve that on the GR3

it is not like I would want to assign the FN button there as this one would already be taken for the back focus button that Ricoh also removed :-(

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one press M on GR3 can be set on any fn button. The fn button can be assigned as back button focussing, but doesn’t let you lock hold it like the GR2 can ae/ae+af/af selectable. But yes technically one less fn button, WB/ down should be customisable on both models.

Harold66 said:

Harold66 said:

Honestly I find that lever wasted in M mode, it could have been customizeable to have been direct iso, now that would have been great. T

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no because the Gr2 already has the adj iso wheel

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No, because in manual mode that adj lever is either aperture or shutter. It can’t be used for direct iso, unless dip into adj menu It can be used for iso in A.V etc mode, but you said manual mode.

Harold66 said:

Harold66 said:

he GR3 handles iso selection and exp comp much better in the ui, because it does it on the main shooting screen without dipping into sub screens that takeaway from the shooting flow and removes the histogram,

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you must now have customised your GR2 correctly cause I do not need to get into the sunscreen to change those both parameters

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The GR2, for both exp comp and iso bring up sub screens. You can change the menu for direct iso adjust, but that doesn’t work in manual mode.

Harold66 said:

Plus I think you are missing my point on the plus/minus lever which was specifically about what this lever does in manual mode

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what does it do in manual mode? One press M, the same function +/-. That is wasted functionality honestly, direct iso in manual mode would have been better.

Harold66 said:

Harold66 said:

2.agree on 4:3

3.i think the rear dial feels good, it just could be utilised better with user customisation.

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good It works for you

Harold66 said:

4.battery life is poor because of having to push 50% more pixels and ibis, and wanting to keep the camera small, means small battery.

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yeah here is the rub. the reduction is size led to a lot of compromises :-(

Harold66 said:

Is what it is. I would choose a bigger battery and slightly bigger body, but many wouldn’t want that.

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possibly. as I said , it is a different clientele for a large part

Harold66 said:

i tIn some ways the GR/2 feels ancient now. It wouldn’t compete today. As great as it is. The GR3 is better.

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I disagree

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a modern camera without touchscreen, is absolutely ancient and wouldn’t sell.

Harold66 said:

Harold66 said:

I reckon the next GR will pull all the prev.gen GR preferrers back interested , I think they need to.

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I doubt it . I think they are going to make more entry users choices for the next model

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nah, what like bring back the green full auto mode from the GR2?

Harold66 said:

Harold

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reeluff said:

Harold66 said:

reeluff said:

I’d like to lovingly smoosh the GR/2/3 together. Both have +/-, i would say the 3 is just a bit better overall to compete in the current marketplace. As OP says though, it isn’t an obvious need over the previous gen for many.

Harold, the 2 has its issues too though.

1. Are you talking about 1 press M on the +/- lever? The GR3 can do that too.

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How ? since that lever is gone , not sure how you achieve that on the GR3

it is not like I would want to assign the FN button there as this one would already be taken for the back focus button that Ricoh also removed :-(

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one press M on GR3 can be set on any fn button. The fn button can be assigned as back button focussing, but doesn’t let you lock hold it like the GR2 can

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Oh really ? :-O

I did not know that . one gr3 user had told me that the disappearance of the back focus button because you could do the same thing with the fn function

I guess he was wrong . Another let down for sure :-x

reeluff said:

The GR2, for both exp comp and iso bring up sub screens. You can change the menu for direct iso adjust, but that doesn’t work in manual mode.

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yes but you can assign iso to one of the five functions of the adj lever

if you do not use the flash you can also assign iso to that direct button

reeluff said:

reeluff said:

Plus I think you are missing my point on the plus/minus lever which was specifically about what this lever does in manual mode

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what does it do in manual mode? One press M, the same function +/-.

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No, in manual mode , one press of that lever brings you auto exposure without the need to change mode or turn the dial

I got some images perfectly exposed just because of that

reeluff said:

a modern camera without touchscreen, is absolutely ancient and wouldn’t sell.

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I have NEVER said there should not been a touchscreen option for those who want it . Just design the camera in a way that it pleases both sides

reeluff said:

nah, what like bring back the green full auto mode from the GR2?

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I was thinking more of stuff like having option to record image in quality directly upload bale to social networks and things to that effect

Anyway it does not matter for me . I have zero use for the current , and likely , future models

Harold

Harold66 said:

reeluff said:

I’d like to lovingly smoosh the GR/2/3 together. Both have +/-, i would say the 3 is just a bit better overall to compete in the current marketplace. As OP says though, it isn’t an obvious need over the previous gen for many.

Harold, the 2 has its issues too though.

1. Are you talking about 1 press M on the +/- lever? The GR3 can do that too.

Click to expand...

How ? since that lever is gone , not sure how you achieve that on the GR3

it is not like I would want to assign the FN button there as this one would already be taken for the back focus button that Ricoh also removed :-(

Harold66 said:

Honestly I find that lever wasted in M mode, it could have been customizeable to have been direct iso, now that would have been great. T

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no because the Gr2 already has the adj iso wheel

Harold66 said:

he GR3 handles iso selection and exp comp much better in the ui, because it does it on the main shooting screen without dipping into sub screens that takeaway from the shooting flow and removes the histogram,

Click to expand...

you must now have customised your GR2 correctly cause I do not need to get into the sunscreen to change those both parameters

Plus I think you are missing my point on the plus/minus lever which was specifically about what this lever does in manual mode

Harold66 said:

2.agree on 4:3

3.i think the rear dial feels good, it just could be utilised better with user customisation.

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good It works for you

Harold66 said:

4.battery life is poor because of having to push 50% more pixels and ibis, and wanting to keep the camera small, means small battery.

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yeah here is the rub. the reduction is size led to a lot of compromises :-(

Harold66 said:

Is what it is. I would choose a bigger battery and slightly bigger body, but many wouldn’t want that.

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possibly. as I said , it is a different clientele for a large part

Harold66 said:

i tIn some ways the GR/2 feels ancient now. It wouldn’t compete today. As great as it is. The GR3 is better.

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I disagree

Harold66 said:

I reckon the next GR will pull all the prev.gen GR preferrers back interested , I think they need to.

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I doubt it . I think they are going to make more entry users choices for the next model

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I think Ricoh is either going to remain "niche" with the next GR or sell its soul to the devil and go mainstream and try for a high number of unit sales.

And quite frankly, with the popularity of smart phones, and the ever-increasingly excellent photos they are able to produce and instantly share on social media, etc., I would like Ricoh to remain "niche" (one of the reasons we buy them) and offer something that a cell phone won't do, or at least do well.

Harold66 said:

Harold

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joslocum said:

joslocum said:

model

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I think Ricoh is either going to remain "niche" with the next GR or sell its soul to the devil and go mainstream and try for a high number of unit sales.

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I think they already started that trend with the GRIII and I am afraid they are going to continue that direction and building the next model cheaper and cheaper

joslocum said:

And quite frankly, with the popularity of smart phones, and the ever-increasingly excellent photos they are able to produce and instantly share on social media, etc., I would like Ricoh to remain "niche" (one of the reasons we buy them) and offer something that a cell phone won't do, or at least do well.

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I could not agree more . I think the GR until the II had pretty much no competition for ergonomics for ADVANCED users in the compact camera segment . The Fuji X70 and Nikon A for instance , while being good compact cameras capable of good results , were nowhere near the GR in terms of ergonomics but the GR3 changed that for reaching more entry level audiences for the sake of higher volumes

it is sad imo but not a rare occurence in many fields.

Harold

Harold66 said:

reeluff said:

Harold66 said:

reeluff said:

I’d like to lovingly smoosh the GR/2/3 together. Both have +/-, i would say the 3 is just a bit better overall to compete in the current marketplace. As OP says though, it isn’t an obvious need over the previous gen for many.

Harold, the 2 has its issues too though.

1. Are you talking about 1 press M on the +/- lever? The GR3 can do that too.

Click to expand...

How ? since that lever is gone , not sure how you achieve that on the GR3

it is not like I would want to assign the FN button there as this one would already be taken for the back focus button that Ricoh also removed :-(

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one press M on GR3 can be set on any fn button. The fn button can be assigned as back button focussing, but doesn’t let you lock hold it like the GR2 can

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Oh really ? :-O

I did not know that . one gr3 user had told me that the disappearance of the back focus button because you could do the same thing with the fn function

I guess he was wrong . Another let down for sure :-x

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yes massive issue for me, the GR/2 has much better ae-af lock functionality.

Harold66 said:

Harold66 said:

The GR2, for both exp comp and iso bring up sub screens. You can change the menu for direct iso adjust, but that doesn’t work in manual mode.

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yes but you can assign iso to one of the five functions of the adj lever

if you do not use the flash you can also assign iso to that direct button

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yes, but that is in sub screens like i said. GR3 changes the values directly on the main shooting screen, which is much better.

Harold66 said:

Harold66 said:

Harold66 said:

Plus I think you are missing my point on the plus/minus lever which was specifically about what this lever does in manual mode

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what does it do in manual mode? One press M, the same function +/-.

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No, in manual mode , one press of that lever brings you auto exposure without the need to change mode or turn the dial

I got some images perfectly exposed just because of that

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yes. The function is called one press M. It is a great idea. It is on the GR3 too. But on the GR2 it takes up the whole +/- lever, when in my opinion, having the option of assigning that lever to direct iso In M mode would be a great option.

Harold66 said:

Harold66 said:

a modern camera without touchscreen, is absolutely ancient and wouldn’t sell.

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I have NEVER said there should not been a touchscreen option for those who want it . Just design the camera in a way that it pleases both sides

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but the GR2 does feel ancient without touchscreen.

Harold66 said:

Harold66 said:

nah, what like bring back the green full auto mode from the GR2?

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I was thinking more of stuff like having option to record image in quality directly upload bale to social networks and things to that effect

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I would hope not, but yes quite likely . People use cameras because they are not phones.

Harold66 said:

Anyway it does not matter for me . I have zero use for the current , and likely , future models

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what do you prefer to use now? Still have a GR?

Harold66 said:

Harold

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reeluff said:

what do you prefer to use now? Still have a GR?

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Hi again

To ask me that , you must be relatively new here :-D:-D;-)

To answer your question , once I saw the way the GR III was designed , I bought two more GR2 . then my GR2 broke (the stuck lens syndrome ) so I got another Gr2 so that I can have one in use AND TWO NEW back ups

The reason for that is that I do not believe that I will ever see a compact camera , regardless of the brand , with a rather large sensor and such amazing ergonomics

Contrary to popular belief , the GR 2 offers several advantages over the GR outside the wifi function ( that I never use btw) , including a small one , a large one and a HUGE one at least for street photography and events

so I should be set for a decade at least ;-)

Harold

Harold66 said:

joslocum said:

Harold66 said:

model

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I think Ricoh is either going to remain "niche" with the next GR or sell its soul to the devil and go mainstream and try for a high number of unit sales.

Click to expand...

I think they already started that trend with the GRIII and I am afraid they are going to continue that direction and building the next model cheaper and cheaper

Harold66 said:

And quite frankly, with the popularity of smart phones, and the ever-increasingly excellent photos they are able to produce and instantly share on social media, etc., I would like Ricoh to remain "niche" (one of the reasons we buy them) and offer something that a cell phone won't do, or at least do well.

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I could not agree more . I think the GR until the II had pretty much no competition for ergonomics for ADVANCED users in the compact camera segment . The Fuji X70 and Nikon A for instance , while being good compact cameras capable of good results , were nowhere near the GR in terms of ergonomics but the GR3 changed that for reaching more entry level audiences for the sake of higher volumes

it is sad imo but not a rare occurence in many fields.

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I would like to see the GR line continue as an advanced compact for niche users.

If they are going to try to compete with Sony and Canon in an already, and quite frankly, congested compact P&S market, they will have made the wrong move imho. Plus, what is the operating budget of Ricoh Imaging vs these two giants? This may not be the fight they want to undertake.

Harold66 said:

Harold

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You are preaching to the choir ;-)

I would like the same thing but am very pessimistic on that subject

Harold

Harold66 said:

reeluff said:

what do you prefer to use now? Still have a GR?

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Hi again

To ask me that , you must be relatively new here :-D:-D;-)

To answer your question , once I saw the way the GR III was designed , I bought two more GR2 . then my GR2 broke (the stuck lens syndrome ) so I got another Gr2 so that I can have one in use AND TWO NEW back ups

The reason for that is that I do not believe that I will ever see a compact camera , regardless of the brand , with a rather large sensor and such amazing ergonomics

Contrary to popular belief , the GR 2 offers several advantages over the GR outside the wifi function ( that I never use btw) , including a small one , a large one and a HUGE one at least for street photography and events

so I should be set for a decade at least ;-)

Harold

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I’m not new, but don’t hang about here much.

I think I was the first person moaning on here about the stuck lens fault on my original GR, which turned out to be a huge issue. I see lots of these for sale over the years with this problem. If memory is right I only got about 5000 shots until it started playing up, then 10k for death. Flex cable split. It’s a usual occurrence but, I dumped Ricoh after that, it was way too quick and was dismissed. I have some in my collection but, I lost interest for general use.

do you still have your broken one, I could find a use for it?

i do agree with you mostly , With the GR3 it does feel like we might slide too far into gadget territory.

one thing I don’t see mentioned, the GR2 has a finer grit, Matt finish. It is much classier than the thick, large grit glossier GR3...in my opinion of course.

in a decade your GR2 collection will be way past ancient.

Harold66 said:

You are preaching to the choir ;-)

I would like the same thing but am very pessimistic on that subject

Harold

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I think if you got your hands on a GRIII you may not believe it to be the complete downgrade from the GRII that you envision.

Granted, some of the hardware is missing, but there is an 8MP gain and IBIS and a few other...goodies.

One man's poison is another man's pleasure...as they say.

joslocum said:

Harold66 said:

You are preaching to the choir ;-)

I would like the same thing but am very pessimistic on that subject

Harold

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I think if you got your hands on a GRIII you may not believe it to be the complete downgrade from the GRII that you envision.

Granted, some of the hardware is missing, but there is an 8MP gain and IBIS and a few other...goodies.

One man's poison is another man's pleasure...as they say.

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Using the term downgrade is a strong opinion, which is clearly wrong. It is a slightly different direction which Harold doesn’t like, but he will get left behind with his ancient GR2 collection, wink.

reeluff said:

joslocum said:

Harold66 said:

You are preaching to the choir ;-)

I would like the same thing but am very pessimistic on that subject

Harold

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I think if you got your hands on a GRIII you may not believe it to be the complete downgrade from the GRII that you envision.

Granted, some of the hardware is missing, but there is an 8MP gain and IBIS and a few other...goodies.

One man's poison is another man's pleasure...as they say.

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Using the term downgrade is a strong opinion, which is clearly wrong

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Clearly wrong ? This is also your opinion . I am not pretending to speak for everyone else but i am as entitled to mine that you are yours

reeluff said:

. It is a slightly different direction which Harold doesn’t like,

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Slightly different ? Again i disagree

reeluff said:

but he will get left behind with his ancient GR2 collection, wink.

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i am fully aware of that

Harold

joslocum said:

Harold66 said:

You are preaching to the choir ;-)

I would like the same thing but am very pessimistic on that subject

Harold

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I think if you got your hands on a GRIII you may not believe it to be the complete downgrade from the GRII that you envision.

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Well in my case i do not need to got my hands on one as the absence of the 4.3 ratio makes the model useless FOR ME. I shoot 99,99% of all my images in that ratio so here you go

joslocum said:

Granted, some of the hardware is missing, but there is an 8MP gain and IBIS and a few other...goodies.

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considering this is only a three axis ibis and that most of my pictures including people moving in the frame , it is not a big deal for me

the GR3 models currently cost around 1,000 dollars . I would gladly pay double that for a gr2 and gr2x with ALL features of the gr2 with just the NEW SENSOR and the new internal memory of the gr3
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Harold66 said:

joslocum said:

Harold66 said:

You are preaching to the choir ;-)

I would like the same thing but am very pessimistic on that subject

Harold

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I think if you got your hands on a GRIII you may not believe it to be the complete downgrade from the GRII that you envision.

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Well in my case i do not need to got my hands on one as the absence of the 4.3 ratio makes the model useless FOR ME. I shoot 99,99% of all my images in that ratio so here you go

Harold66 said:

Granted, some of the hardware is missing, but there is an 8MP gain and IBIS and a few other...goodies.

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considering this is only a three axis ibis and that most of my pictures including people moving in the frame , it is not a big deal for me

the GR3 models currently cost around 1,000 dollars . I would gladly pay double that for a gr2 and gr2x with ALL features of the gr2 with just the NEW SENSOR and the new internal memory of the gr3

Harold
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so you have not even used a GR3, but know it is a downgrade? And shout your opinion as fact.

you stated first >>“...AND an exposure lever with a genius implementation in manual mode” .... the GR3 has that exact same genius mode, and better exposure compensation implementation, so you do not even know what the GR3 is like. I thought we was talking to someone who has used both extensively to form their opinion.



nobody would pay 2k for aGR2 with 24mp and a bit of internal memory, especially if the GR3 is half that and still a better camera, wink.

reeluff said:

Harold66 said:

joslocum said:

Harold66 said:

You are preaching to the choir ;-)

I would like the same thing but am very pessimistic on that subject

Harold

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I think if you got your hands on a GRIII you may not believe it to be the complete downgrade from the GRII that you envision.

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Well in my case i do not need to got my hands on one as the absence of the 4.3 ratio makes the model useless FOR ME. I shoot 99,99% of all my images in that ratio so here you go

reeluff said:

Granted, some of the hardware is missing, but there is an 8MP gain and IBIS and a few other...goodies.

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considering this is only a three axis ibis and that most of my pictures including people moving in the frame , it is not a big deal for me

the GR3 models currently cost around 1,000 dollars . I would gladly pay double that for a gr2 and gr2x with ALL features of the gr2 with just the NEW SENSOR and the new internal memory of the gr3

Harold
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so you have not even used a GR3, but know it is a downgrade? And shout your opinion as fact.

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I clearly stated in several posts that it was my opinion

reeluff said:

you stated first >>“...AND an exposure lever with a genius implementation in manual mode” .... the GR3 has that exact same genius mode,

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NO this lever is gone. So not sure what you are referring to

reeluff said:

and better exposure compensation implementation, so you do not even know what the GR3 is like.

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yes i do

reeluff said:

I thought we was talking to someone who has used both extensively to form their opinion.

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i clearly stated that i do not own the gr3. You should read my posts more Carefully

reeluff said:

nobody would pay 2k for aGR2 with 24mp and a bit of internal memory, especially if the GR3 is half that and still a better camera, wink.

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i always wonder what entitles some to speak on behalf of everyone else . I don’t pretend to know what is your price tolerance so do not speak like you know mine