If OM-1/GH6 are not, What would be “WOW” m43 camera for you?

ZodiacPhoto said:

Harold66 said:

ZodiacPhoto said:

OM1 with GH6 sensor in Pen-F body.

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yeah right , very unrealistic ;-) ... unless you are joking of course

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I am half-joking. I understand that such camera will never be made.

But if they make it, I would buy it.

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Seriously, when / if Panasonic makes a still-oriented, small and light camera with the new sensor, I would be tempted...

laikam said:

Nothing wrong with point and shoot but I guess you consider yourself a superior photographer because you own a “real camera”

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By making this personal you now acknowledge that you have completely lost the argument. At no point did I state or even imply that I considered myself to be a superior photographer. You made that up out of whole cloth. Yes, I own two "real cameras" and I use them for both serious photography and **gasp** sometimes for simple point and shoot photography. I also use an Olympus TG-5, an iPhone 11, and sometimes a Garmin Oregon 750T handheld GPS for taking point and shoot photos.

But, that's not the point. Your first post clearly linked autofocus to a point and shoot mentality (which is an insult to everyone who uses autofocus and who also takes their photography seriously) and to a degradation of the photographer's skills (which is an insult to everyone who uses autofocus and who also actively endeavors to enhance their photography skills). In addition, you made up both claims without a shred of evidence.

As I said before: "I don't know what you meant to write. I only know what you wrote."

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Geez I never realised this was about competition LOL

Oh, and it doesn't blow away your user settings every time you do a firmware update. Throw in Starry AF too. Basically an EM1.3 in the EM5 style body.

What competition? You made a ridiculous and demeaning statement--without evidence BTW--and I called you on it. Then you double downed on it.

Sagar Photo said:

As good as OM1 or GH6 are I am seeing comments in different place that it’s a very good evolutionary product but it’s the EM1.3 that Oly should have released years back, it’s not a “WOW” camera OMDS talked about etc. etc.

So just for fun, share a thing or two that you think if added to m43 camera will make it a “WOW” camera

For me if it can do AFC as good as Canon R5/6 with good enough buffer, I would say

to me AFC is the only thing that’s really hold m43 back specially considering OMDS wants to position it as niche brand for outdoorsy/wild life bird photography

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I agree with you about the autofocus. The OM-1 is pretty wow as it is for me. It pretty much does everything I would want in a MFT camera. The only areas that I have any interest in improving are:

1. Autofocus. All the reviews seem to indicate that OM-1 still doesn't keep up with the autofocus systems from Canon/Sony or even Nikon.

2. Update the HHHR mode to handle motion artifacts. Sounds, like Panasonic's version in the GH6 does a better job of detecting items that moving in the frame and adjusting for it in the final image.

Interesting, both of these issues could possibly be fixed in firmware. So it might just evolve into a better camera in the future. Here's hoping.

Sagar Photo said:

As good as OM1 or GH6 are I am seeing comments in different place that it’s a very good evolutionary product but it’s the EM1.3 that Oly should have released years back, it’s not a “WOW” camera OMDS talked about etc. etc.

So just for fun, share a thing or two that you think if added to m43 camera will make it a “WOW” camera

For me if it can do AFC as good as Canon R5/6 with good enough buffer, I would say

to me AFC is the only thing that’s really hold m43 back specially considering OMDS wants to position it as niche brand for outdoorsy/wild life bird photography

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I’m waiting to see what the actual reviews say, see sample images from Imaging Reaource, DPReview, Gordon Lang, and others before I decide how much of a Wow it is. That said, I don’t see why it ha to be an all caps wow with 9 exclamation points behind it.

I think a lot of people are chasing *est but fail to see what actually works for them. I moved from a Pen-F to the EM1.2 because the AF (and C-AF) is night and day better. While I’m sure it can’t top the A9II, I find it’s AF far better than any review’s opinion on it. And that’s because I set up the C-AF to have tracking AF just with out that square cursor (or the C-AF+TR option). Thanks Robin Wong. And my C-AF shots turn out great for what I do.

I think people will see the Wow after using this thing then going back and using something else.

Not that this affects any wow status, but the only extra 2 things I’m hoping for with this camera is that is has cleaner images at ISOs 400-1600 and better in camera HDR. I know all the other specs and many of them I either don’t have now or will be big upgrades to what I do have.

The real WOW will be when I have the money for it and can finally hit that “Buy Now” button.

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ahaslett said:

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ahaslett said:

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I am of course still getting a huge amount of wow from my girlfriend - The GM5.

Not sure if my heart could stand even more wow ….

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You like them small with several ready for action at once?

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Yeh man we all have our particular foibles - some like the lovely Olympus-OM gear to bits and I don’t blame them. I keep my wow gear happy with some multicultural association with Olympus and Panasonic lenses - and adapted lenses of course.

In fact I am almost over-wowed and might have to steady my nerves and have a bit of a sit down.

So of course wow is in the hands of what we are holding and if we still need more wow - then go for it ….

But I suggest that it is as much driven for the interest in new things and many will not actually buy the full wow of their imaginations.

I like to buy the best of what I can afford and not worry (dream?) too much for the best of what I cannot afford. Perhaps the best of M4/3 can offer will do and rather better than just a foot in the door of another mount system?

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I’d get into trouble for holding onto old stuff and adapting it to new bodies….

I’m pretty happy with my gear, but much better AF in the OM1 is tempting.

Spent my budget for 2022 already, now dependent on winning and delivering a few contracts to recharge the pot.

Andrew

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Maybe I am stoopid but that Canon EF 180/3.5 that I hung on to but never used much had me thinking when there was a bit of macro lens talk on the forum. I was under the impression that an 180mm macro lens giving the enormous 360mm fov on a M4/3 was simply giving me the opportunity to do a macro from further away (I am a slow thinker as already noted). In any case I thought “any old long telephoto can usually photograph bugs closer if the near focus is good enough”.

So this was one of the EF lenses that was harder to get AF with. But I have previously used it as a stand-in general telephoto - which it does quite well if you are careful with the AF.

But I got it out and found that it did 1:1 lifesize at 480mm that was what those little yellow markings meant. Hmm and set the focus limiter to 480mm start and the AF on a Metabones adapter and the AF works very well (on a GM5 of course) .Hopelessly unbalanced of course…

So life size bigs at half a metre, should not scare the wrigglies away. But it has been super wet for the last few weeks. A small city just up the road is on the middle of a 16 metre flood level - huge, the highest flood level there since records have been kept. Possibly 5 metres higher than the next best inundation.

One of the Sony A-bodies with a full set of high-spec lenses to match the range of those I have for M43. The price would certainly elicit a WOW!

The OM-1 may well turn out to be the Wow M43 for me but only when there's evidence from new owners to prove it. Until then, I'll stick with the G9.

nt

Well - all I can say is that I am still blown away from the IQ of most shots I took with my GM 1. What a fantastic little camera with touch implementation that is still better than most of the latest big ICL cameras from the big players.

I shoot landscapes and macros and I could not be happier. Not with a faster AF and I think I even don't need more than 16 MP. For sure professionals do, but most of the common users won't be able to achieve better results anyway.

Hopefully Panasonic will remember how attractive small packages like a GM 5 II would be for the many consumers who once migrated to M43 exactly because of the fantastic IQ in uniquely small and lightweight bodies and lenses.

I for one pay little attention to marketing hype. I never expected a "wow" camera. The last time I did think "wow" in association with a camera was when I put the battery in my newly purchased EM1.2 and hit the shutter button. The exceptionally quiet shutter made quite an impression.

The various technical features are invariably going to be evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Many people on this forum have overreaching, or even ridiculous expectations for cameras. A lot of the time I think this stems from people simply being fixated on sensor size/high ISO performance.

In regards to features (rather than how much I enjoy actually using the camera) I don't think I could afford a camera that would truly make me say "wow" in regards to feature set. Price the OM-1 at an (entirely unreasonable) $1500 USD and I'd say "wow". ;-)

CharlesB58 said:

I for one pay little attention to marketing hype. I never expected a "wow" camera. The last time I did think "wow" in association with a camera was when I put the battery in my newly purchased EM1.2 and hit the shutter button. The exceptionally quiet shutter made quite an impression.

The various technical features are invariably going to be evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Many people on this forum have overreaching, or even ridiculous expectations for cameras. A lot of the time I think this stems from people simply being fixated on sensor size/high ISO performance.
In regards to features (rather than how much I enjoy actually using the camera) I don't think I could afford a camera that would truly make me say "wow" in regards to feature set. Price the OM-1 at an (entirely unreasonable) $1500 USD and I'd say "wow". ;-)

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Charles - in fairness, and I might be wrong in my assertions: I think that the “wow” was an innocent throw-away line coming from someone who is unknown to me. (Some sleuth is bound to be able to assist us).

The remainder is simply history - that it was blown up by this forum into some sort of serious “expectation” in a quite whimsical manner.

Now it is being considered marketing hype and I doubt if OMDS is blameless. But most of the forum that played up to the wow fun-description should now shoulder the blame for the reverse psychological attack on the same wow aspirations.

What is the technical definition of wow and what is any individual’s level of wow response on the “Wowmeter” I have never seen?

Tom Caldwell said:

CharlesB58 said:

I for one pay little attention to marketing hype. I never expected a "wow" camera. The last time I did think "wow" in association with a camera was when I put the battery in my newly purchased EM1.2 and hit the shutter button. The exceptionally quiet shutter made quite an impression.

The various technical features are invariably going to be evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Many people on this forum have overreaching, or even ridiculous expectations for cameras. A lot of the time I think this stems from people simply being fixated on sensor size/high ISO performance.
In regards to features (rather than how much I enjoy actually using the camera) I don't think I could afford a camera that would truly make me say "wow" in regards to feature set. Price the OM-1 at an (entirely unreasonable) $1500 USD and I'd say "wow". ;-)

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Charles - in fairness, and I might be wrong in my assertions: I think that the “wow” was an innocent throw-away line coming from someone who is unknown to me. (Some sleuth is bound to be able to assist us).

The remainder is simply history - that it was blown up by this forum into some sort of serious “expectation” in a quite whimsical manner.

Now it is being considered marketing hype and I doubt if OMDS is blameless. But most of the forum that played up to the wow fun-description should now shoulder the blame for the reverse psychological attack on the same wow aspirations.

What is the technical definition of wow and what is any individual’s level of wow response on the “Wowmeter” I have never seen?

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Short story: When the Nikon Z9 was launched with a price $500 less than the Canon R3 and $1000 less than the Sony A1, I actually remember saying "Wow" out loud. To me that's the "wowmeter".

Tom Caldwell said:

CharlesB58 said:

I for one pay little attention to marketing hype. I never expected a "wow" camera. The last time I did think "wow" in association with a camera was when I put the battery in my newly purchased EM1.2 and hit the shutter button. The exceptionally quiet shutter made quite an impression.

The various technical features are invariably going to be evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Many people on this forum have overreaching, or even ridiculous expectations for cameras. A lot of the time I think this stems from people simply being fixated on sensor size/high ISO performance.
In regards to features (rather than how much I enjoy actually using the camera) I don't think I could afford a camera that would truly make me say "wow" in regards to feature set. Price the OM-1 at an (entirely unreasonable) $1500 USD and I'd say "wow". ;-)

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Charles - in fairness, and I might be wrong in my assertions: I think that the “wow” was an innocent throw-away line coming from someone who is unknown to me. (Some sleuth is bound to be able to assist us).

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It all seemed to start with some (mis?) translation of a Japanese interview where the person said something along the lines "we will release a product with some features that will make people say 'ooh' and 'aah' ". That somehow got reinterpreted by some here as "it's a 'wow' camera coming".

The "wowiness" and wild guesswork increased from that point on.

Later in a video the OMDS people did pick up on that and they actually used the "wow" word in a video piece. somewhere around the 10 minute mark if I remember rightly. On a crappy netbook at the moment and video runs really badly so can't explore it for the accurate time point.

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The remainder is simply history - that it was blown up by this forum into some sort of serious “expectation” in a quite whimsical manner.

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Yep, all basically absurd to me.

Best to try and use the cameras we already have properly and if needs must then consider moving on to this new "wow" camera.

But if money burns holes in pockets, sure, go buy it and help keep OMDS alive to carry on and make Wow Mk2.

Tom Caldwell said:

Now it is being considered marketing hype and I doubt if OMDS is blameless. But most of the forum that played up to the wow fun-description should now shoulder the blame for the reverse psychological attack on the same wow aspirations.

What is the technical definition of wow and what is any individual’s level of wow response on the “Wowmeter” I have never seen?

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I will breathe out a quiet "wow" if they manage to use a true global shutter sensor. I may be very old before that happens...

maybe one day....

Being able to use my legacy 4/3 lenses with the latest cameras, especially my 300mm f/2.8 and 150mm f/2, a decade after Olympus ended their E-System DSLRs is WOW enough for me.

I can’t see their performance getting any better than I currently get with the E-M1 II/III and I don’t see OMDS making special provision for them with new features.

With each new body released I check the Instruction Manual as soon as it’s available to make sure that 4/3 lens support is still there. OM-1 = Yes = wow.

Peter

I definitely miss the flexibility of the slightly oversized multi aspect ratio sensor. A new MAR sensor using the same underlying technology as the Z9's stacked design for a fast enough readout to lose the mechanical shutter would be impressive.

For me it would be a modern Pen F with the computational features from the OM1 and the colour processing dial and features from the F.

No interest in video or high speed shooting (99% of time I use single shot and Af-s). However I realise that the speed is required for stuff like live ND.

Metal body, rangefinder style (Evf top left like F).

Eventually it will be point the camera and say omie take a picture of a falcon….. no omie that a crow but eventually it will learn to distinguish between the two.