Intel/AMD higher performance integrated GPU

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DDR5 uses lower voltage than DDR4, 1.1V instead of 1.2V, so theoretically it should prolong battery life. When available, is an important caveat. The laptops I've seen with 12th gen or Ryzen 6000 contain DDR4.
Which laptop has a Ryzen 6000 with DDR4? AMDs website has the specs on all the 6000 series mobile processors and every one list the memory as DDR5. Everything I've read says that AMD is only supporting DDR5/LPDDR5 with their new processors.
Sorry, I was thinking of the Ryzen 5900 and 5800.
 
I wonder if Intel and AMD will start integrating a higher performance GPU into their processors? Particularly when you consider what Apple has done with the M1 and the current very high prices/shortage of GPUs.

My last few laptops with Intel processors have had integrated GPUs, but they are low performance:
  • i7-8565U - Intel UHD 620 (also has Nvidia Geforce MX250 2gb DDR5)
  • i5-6200U - Intel HD Graphics 520
  • i7-3630QM - Intel HD Graphics 4000 (also has Nvidia GeForce GT 650M 2gb)
  • i5-520M - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD
It has been years since I have had a desktop. These days, from what I read, there is a shortage of GPUs and/or very high prices. It would be helpful for those of us who use the Topaz products, DXO, etc. which make heavy use of the GPU to have better ones that are integrated and not need separate ones. The separate ones would then be mostly interesting to high end users doing video editing, gamers, etc.

Apple came out with their M1 processor last year that integrates a multi-core ARM RISC CPU, multi-core GPU, very high speed RAM, etc. all on one chip. Topaz and DXO run well on it.

I have often wondered why Intel and AMD have such low performance integrated GPUs on their processors? I have heard that the newest Intel processors have Iris GPUs which are a bit better, but still not as good, I think.
Funny 1 minute video. :-)

RTX 3090 Ti Buying Experience

 
This guy says that GPU prices have been slowly going down recently, but still in short supply and very expensive. But he expects around June the situation will be a big oversupply with plenty available at good prices. I just watched the first 7-8 minutes a few days ago:


My recollection is that the reasons are:
  • some change in cryptocurrency mining coming soon which will make cryptominers not need GPUs anymore so a big drop in demand from them and the ones they own being sold off on ebay, etc.
  • Nvidia has been ramping up production to meet demand
  • AMD has been ramping up production to meet demand
  • Intel will soon release their own line of discrete GPUs
I don't know much about this stuff so I don't know if he is right. I don't follow all this much and I don't play games.
 
This guy says that GPU prices have been slowly going down recently, but still in short supply and very expensive.
I can say that GPUs are not in short supply any more. Here in Finland several stores report availability in the dozens, for dozens of different GPU products, which is a big difference to just a couple of months ago. The prices have not gone down yet, though.
 
This guy says that GPU prices have been slowly going down recently, but still in short supply and very expensive.
I can say that GPUs are not in short supply any more. Here in Finland several stores report availability in the dozens, for dozens of different GPU products, which is a big difference to just a couple of months ago. The prices have not gone down yet, though.
same observation at one of the big local sellers in San Francisco. They will now sell you the 3070ti - 3090 line for a premium, but no longer force you to build a new system. But it's a single brand choice - Zotax.

In any event, it does look like perhaps we've gotten through the most motivated buyers. I wish I had thought early in this to offer my PS5 in trade. For a stretch those were selling for 2x on ebay as well. I just happened to have a friend of a friend stuck in Hong Kong but had purchased two in California, sold it to me at cost.
 
This guy says that GPU prices have been slowly going down recently, but still in short supply and very expensive.
I can say that GPUs are not in short supply any more. Here in Finland several stores report availability in the dozens, for dozens of different GPU products, which is a big difference to just a couple of months ago. The prices have not gone down yet, though.
Yeah, I guess so. Here is an example at Amazon Japan:

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/b/?la...ZWV075E2JMQ87&ref_=Oct_d_odnav_d_2151901051_0

I haven't been following the prices so I don't know how they compare to a few months ago.

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My recollection is that the reasons are:
  • some change in cryptocurrency mining coming soon which will make cryptominers not need GPUs anymore so a big drop in demand from them and the ones they own being sold off on ebay, etc.
I wonder if that means we'll see a surge in CPU prices.
 
My recollection is that the reasons are:
  • some change in cryptocurrency mining coming soon which will make cryptominers not need GPUs anymore so a big drop in demand from them and the ones they own being sold off on ebay, etc.
I wonder if that means we'll see a surge in CPU prices.
Intel's counterprove was to underprice AMD, which last year was able to raise price points $50 without any trouble. It helped that they're still capacity constrained in a way that Intel is not.

I think this will also force them to price Zen4 a bit lower, and ddr5 prices have also normalized.

This might be our year, after 2 problematic ones.
 
Pretty good explanation of the current state in this new video.

The GPU Apocalypse - Is it Starting?

GPU Prices are starting to trend downward, is this the start of the Great GPU Apocalypse of 2022? Is this the end of the GPU Mining? Will GPU prices return to normal? Will GPU prices return to MSRP?

 
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I have no idea why he's calling it the GPU "apocalypse"...
Yeah, the use of that word was perplexing to me also. Strange to get so hung up on the word though.
Because it's in the thread title it falls into the category of "misleading headlines". It makes it sound like some sort of cataclysmic event is going to happen that screws everyone who needs to use a GPU. At least that's where I was coming from.

But what the video is saying is actually the opposite.

He's probably just using "apocalypse" as clickbait, a practice I find highly annoying. It's like a tabloid newspaper with the headline "A Family's Agony!" - all emotion and zero information.
 
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more reasons why youtube videos suck compared to good writing.

Not that they don't engage in clickbait headlines either, but at least you waste less time to see this.
 
One advantage of video is it's visual. Written reviews rarely let you really see things in the same way. Somebody opens the box and you see exactly what's inside. Or how to assemble something.

OTOH the big problem with tech reviews on YT is most are targeted at audiences that may not be you. For example all the gamer channels. A great gaming machine might be a crappy machine for something else.
 
One advantage of video is it's visual. Written reviews rarely let you really see things in the same way. Somebody opens the box and you see exactly what's inside. Or how to assemble something.

OTOH the big problem with tech reviews on YT is most are targeted at audiences that may not be you. For example all the gamer channels. A great gaming machine might be a crappy machine for something else.
When I think of "written" reviews online, I'd hope that they would also contain still pictures. Or even short videos.

I don't recall seeing a web site that offered a platform for such things, analogous to the millions of YouTube videos. It's never going to happen, I expect.
 
The stuff I'm thinking of isn't even intentional. It's just the camera is on and you see things. I bought a hood/matte box and the adapters are literally hidden inside a false bottom of the box . If I hadn't seen the review there is a good chance I would have either complained about the missing adapters or sent it back.
 
One advantage of video is it's visual. Written reviews rarely let you really see things in the same way. Somebody opens the box and you see exactly what's inside. Or how to assemble something.

OTOH the big problem with tech reviews on YT is most are targeted at audiences that may not be you. For example all the gamer channels. A great gaming machine might be a crappy machine for something else.
That is on the viewer to KNOW what they are looking for. Like, for example, people come here, in the PC/WINDOWS/LINUX area crapping on them, and they are using Apple computers. Just go to the Apple/mac section of this forum and be happy. I have yet to go over on that forum and start stating how crappy macs or other apple items are over there. But I will sure fire off some shots when they start here.

If you don't like it (you meaning the viewer/reader, Not specific you), move along. Why bother to comment on a video, thread etc that you have no interest in?
 
That's not the point.

A gaming review may not touch on things that are important to you. You can't look at a general or in this case niche review and draw conclusions .

YT has this problem in many niches. Saying people should know this misses the point that many people don't really know what they need or want.
 
That's not the point.

A gaming review may not touch on things that are important to you. You can't look at a general or in this case niche review and draw conclusions .

YT has this problem in many niches. Saying people should know this misses the point that many people don't really know what they need or want.
What I am saying is that, as a creative person, I would search out things like computers for video/photo editing. or Video cards that make creating fast. Not GAMING SYSTEMS.

It's on the view to have an idea. I know everyone in here complaining about YouTube Knows' exactly what they are looking for.
 
The number of credible video editing machine reviews are? Most people looking for information on a new computer are going to end up looking at those gaming videos. Often without know what should be important and what isn't.
 

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