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i am enjoying it... =)

I did take pics when they weren't posing..but they seem to like the "cold", "mean" look and "Deathmetal" pose...lol

I am doing a second shoot with them...they have a gig comnig up and i told them i'd meet them beforehand as well...

i'm going to try and take everyone's suggestions in mind too.
Baracus said:
I like you (I think) am a huge indie-rock fan... My favorite bands
are those such as Ranier Maria, Subrosa, etc... My personal
opinion is that the best band photos are candid and unpretentious.
Get the band drunk so they forget the camera is around. Hang out
with them at a diner, on the road, in the green room, when they are
practicing etc. Pop photos when they are busy doing things besides
posing for shots.

Of course if those guys are death metal then maybe they need to
concentrate on trying to look evil. I don't know. This is just my
opinion. Your pretty lucky because you seem to be doing something
that you love. Just have fun.
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I know I'm not innocent, because I tend to post a lot of pictures of hot girls, though I never shoot them naked! When I can, I try to shoot other things when I get around to it.

Try mixing it up a bit. I like the fact that you shoot a ton of stuff, at least you're not a forum whore like some people up in this crib. Perhaps since a lot of guys on this forum are pretty old, they're not hip enough to your stuff? Just keep shooting, just because some people don't post, doesn't mean we're not looking and appreciating your work. :-)
photoboothGrl said:
I'm just wondering if I need to post some in order to get critiques
on my photos...funny how posts with "naked girls" in the title get
the most replies...

be it they are bad photos or good, flattering or not...tons of
feedback..i mainly post band photos (and a huge thank you to those
of you that reply and give me feedback) but for the most part I
don't get a lot of feedback and it's just frustrating...

What's a girl to do? Add a photo of myself from the one and only
Sports Illustrated shot i did when i was 18

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No, I would not use flash, unless you can bounce it off something for fill flash. Too many harsh shadows. Also looks like you may have held the camera in portrait mode on some, causing the flash to be away from the center of the photo, causing harsh shadows on the opposite side of the photo from the flash location on the camera.

I would use available lighting and a tripod. They will have to learn to stand still. Hehe. Daytime, bright overcast days work well. You could also boost your ISO way up. Noisy photos may work well for these types of photos if done in B&W, and it would allow you to skip the tripod for some shots, such as candid shots. You could get lots of ideas by spending some time in a music store looking at posters and CD covers.

I’m not familiar with the 24-70mm 2.8. Did you mean 28-70 f/2.8? I would think that would be an excellent lens for this type of application
photoboothGrl said:
they did pick the location, we started in their basement and ended
up in a "haunted" warehouse

so in terms of available lighting...you also do not recommend flash..

the lens i was using: 24-70mm 2.8 ..which would you recommend? i
want to improve the lighting...what would you recommend I do?

TIA
Wingspar said:
  1. 1 is ok, the sepia one is the best, but you really really need to
work on your lighting. To me these come out as very amateur snap
shots. As someone else said, available lighting would work well
for these types of shots. Choose your backgrounds more carefully.
I’m wondering, did the band choose the locations, or did you? Of
course, if the band is happy, that is what is important, but I
don’t think these photos will help sell the band at all. Just my 2
cents.
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OK, my pennies. I don't care about location at all, frankly. you could get great pix anyplace if you're engaging with your subject. and i don't see any engagement here. they're slacking about, which i know everyone in a band thinks is how to look cool, but in the pictures they just look dull. and you let them do things that make them look bad. you needed to take control - not of getting them to do things, but to give yourself time to allow things to happen.

i also disagree with a lot of the 'don't use flash' advice - i use flash all the time and no one knows it when they look at the pix, and sometimes you can get better effects and engagement with flash. go look at shots by jeff jacobson and ben baker at http://www.reduxpictures.com - they use flash all the time, and often only one of them.

what i saw was images from a shoot. somebody declared the shoot on, so you did it. then you all went home. that's such an unnatural thing for you, based on what i've seen of your shots and your personality in the posts. take charge of the shoot next time, set the ground rules to favor you getting shots you like, that allow you to work how you want. what the heck do i mean?

next time, tell them you want to hang with them for three or four hours, and you'll shoot some during, not shoot some times. become engaged with them as a person - they'll react then to your personality, and suddenly the images will show their personality. sometimes i force people to do set shots here and there during the time, mostly as a way to get them to loosen up - shoot serious, shoot silly, shoot formal, shoot angry, shoot bored...and then they're tired of set shots, and then i keep shooting after the set shots, which is when i get the shots both of us like best. (not shooting bands, but congregants and buddhist temples, or what i call middle aged white guy pictures in the business world) get access to hang around during a practice, and dinner, and beers, call a few set shots at various points, but keep shooting. (thank god bits are cheap...)

analogy one: if you shoot street pix, and are polite, you always ask before you shoot. the first couple shots are very self conscious polite smiling don't we all like each other images. keep hanging out, keep shooting, and after a bit they forget about you, and after a bit longer you see their character and soul and get the shot you wanted.

analogy two: look at the best beatles shots and you'll see what i mean, the best ones always look like the photog kept shooting after the posed shots, or before, or was just hanging out with the boyz and captured a moment of inspired madness. that happened to occur under big hot lights, or within range of a three strobe setup.

i didn't see your personality, or your subjects' personality. and that disappointed me, because i know you have a fantastic, in yer face, strong personality that can make a picture crackle, because YOU crackle. instead, both of you were making nice and posing and you got making nice and posing pictures. that probably bothered you, but you couldn't get a handle on why.

it's because they aren't you - which is because you didn't control it, because you didn't have the time and space to do it.

but - full disclosure - i'm a member of the "it takes time for anything good to happen" school of photography.
photoboothGrl said:
ok this is what i need to hear...

they did pick the location, we started in their basement and ended
up in a "haunted" warehouse

so in terms of available lighting...you also do not recommend flash..

the lens i was using: 24-70mm 2.8 ..which would you recommend? i
want to improve the lighting...what would you recommend I do?

TIA
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oh good, i'll point you in when your name shows up on the pending users list. i already made you a welcome thread.
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thanks Jonathan =)
Jonathan F. said:
Try mixing it up a bit. I like the fact that you shoot a ton of
stuff, at least you're not a forum whore like some people up in
this crib. Perhaps since a lot of guys on this forum are pretty
old, they're not hip enough to your stuff? Just keep shooting, just
because some people don't post, doesn't mean we're not looking and
appreciating your work. :-)
photoboothGrl said:
I'm just wondering if I need to post some in order to get critiques
on my photos...funny how posts with "naked girls" in the title get
the most replies...

be it they are bad photos or good, flattering or not...tons of
feedback..i mainly post band photos (and a huge thank you to those
of you that reply and give me feedback) but for the most part I
don't get a lot of feedback and it's just frustrating...

What's a girl to do? Add a photo of myself from the one and only
Sports Illustrated shot i did when i was 18

sigh

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Critiquing does not equal bashing (or at least, it shouldn't)...

The term "constructive criticism" comes to mind.

it is a very hard thing for most people to do, and requires a committment of time, thought and compassion (and maybe subject-matter expertise?)that most people on this forum don't have...myself included.

...not that we should! (this is supposed to be an equipment forum, i thought)...

but there are an awful lot of "what do you think of this shot" posts on this forum, some that get more reaction than most. I don't think it's fair to characterize the ones that get "play" as being all one type... I think that most of the hot ones do have something in common, but not necessarily nude women...

There are quite a few other forums on the web where "what do you think of this shot" posts are more common and generally get more play.

check out photo.net

-m
Ed Nazarko said:
i go to a couple photography groups in my area to keep me thinking
about my work (kind of like how AA requires you to attend their
meetings...) and people don't seem to offer any useful criticism
there, either. i've gotten whole rooms full of stunned looks just
from saying "those two pictures engage me, but the other two while
nice leave me cold, and here's why i think that's true for me." Or
by asking "why are you choosing to shoot pictures of people without
engaging with them." the other responses were completely vacant -
"i really like how the bricks look" and "is that tri x or ilford."
at the last meeting i put one horrifically crappy picture up with
four really good ones (independent confirmation on the good ones,
two were taken for publishing, and two were the best selling pix at
my last art fair) and got the same kind of "nice colors" talk about
all the images, even the crappy one. shrug.

I take workshops to get away from the bland blahs, and get the kind
of critique that makes you get better. even there, many of the
instructors focus on patting everyone on the head. the best i've
had was jay maisel, who's not above beginning comments with "now
that qualifies as the worst piece of cr&p image I've seen in the
last ten minutes..." i advanced hugely in one weekend workshop
with him. seth resnick is also completely unwilling to nice mouth
an image unless he knows you're a complete beginner.

short of having some folks join the forum who don't care what they
say, you may try to do what i've done; i've found a half-dozen
people who i think are good, and who think i'm good, and we made a
pact - no nice words just for nice words. we get together
regularly and bash each others work around. sometimes feelings are
hurt a bit, but we all understand that at some point it's a matter
of artistic differences. and in person, its easier to read the
genuine concern for each other and keep the criticism in
perspective. at least we hear what other people really think.
photoboothGrl said:
I'm just wondering if I need to post some in order to get critiques
on my photos...funny how posts with "naked girls" in the title get
the most replies...

be it they are bad photos or good, flattering or not...tons of
feedback..i mainly post band photos (and a huge thank you to those
of you that reply and give me feedback) but for the most part I
don't get a lot of feedback and it's just frustrating...

What's a girl to do? Add a photo of myself from the one and only
Sports Illustrated shot i did when i was 18

sigh

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I agree, to an extent.

I welcome criticisms for my work. But saying that "your image is trash" and leaving it at that does not provide any insight. I would much rather have constructive criticism, where sugguestions on how to improve an image and technique prove more useful.

Although the "nice pic" leaves a warm fuzzy feeling, it would also be useful to point out exactly what is "nice" about it.

Now that I have said this, perhaps I should change my own ways on how I critique other's work. The danger here is you don't know the other person and even though you might be trying to be helpful, you may irrevocably damage a noob's confidence with too much criticism. Nurturing the budding photographer at the right time may result in some really stellar photographers.

I don't know about others, but I find myself the harshest critic of my own work. I am never ever happy with my work. I'm already uneasy when posting an image. I always think it could be better - I therefore solicit constructive criticism. I try to keep this in mind when commenting on pics and wouldnt dare say "your image sucks," but would rather say something on the lines of "it might look better is you did this" (I say "might" because, it could look worse)

Just my .02

FWIW, photoboothgrl, I enjoy your pics. I cant really comment on them because i feel that I do not have any expertise in this area.

Gregory
Ed Nazarko said:
i go to a couple photography groups in my area to keep me thinking
about my work (kind of like how AA requires you to attend their
meetings...) and people don't seem to offer any useful criticism
there, either. i've gotten whole rooms full of stunned looks just
from saying "those two pictures engage me, but the other two while
nice leave me cold, and here's why i think that's true for me." Or
by asking "why are you choosing to shoot pictures of people without
engaging with them." the other responses were completely vacant -
"i really like how the bricks look" and "is that tri x or ilford."
at the last meeting i put one horrifically crappy picture up with
four really good ones (independent confirmation on the good ones,
two were taken for publishing, and two were the best selling pix at
my last art fair) and got the same kind of "nice colors" talk about
all the images, even the crappy one. shrug.

I take workshops to get away from the bland blahs, and get the kind
of critique that makes you get better. even there, many of the
instructors focus on patting everyone on the head. the best i've
had was jay maisel, who's not above beginning comments with "now
that qualifies as the worst piece of cr&p image I've seen in the
last ten minutes..." i advanced hugely in one weekend workshop
with him. seth resnick is also completely unwilling to nice mouth
an image unless he knows you're a complete beginner.

short of having some folks join the forum who don't care what they
say, you may try to do what i've done; i've found a half-dozen
people who i think are good, and who think i'm good, and we made a
pact - no nice words just for nice words. we get together
regularly and bash each others work around. sometimes feelings are
hurt a bit, but we all understand that at some point it's a matter
of artistic differences. and in person, its easier to read the
genuine concern for each other and keep the criticism in
perspective. at least we hear what other people really think.
photoboothGrl said:
I'm just wondering if I need to post some in order to get critiques
on my photos...funny how posts with "naked girls" in the title get
the most replies...

be it they are bad photos or good, flattering or not...tons of
feedback..i mainly post band photos (and a huge thank you to those
of you that reply and give me feedback) but for the most part I
don't get a lot of feedback and it's just frustrating...

What's a girl to do? Add a photo of myself from the one and only
Sports Illustrated shot i did when i was 18

sigh

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i know what you mean...

when i see a photo i like i tend to reply with my ooohhh and ahhh because i genuinely like it..

but it's harder for me to critique...so if i see a lot of "nice job" already...i won't reply saying the same thing
Ed Nazarko said:
i go to a couple photography groups in my area to keep me thinking
about my work (kind of like how AA requires you to attend their
meetings...) and people don't seem to offer any useful criticism
there, either. i've gotten whole rooms full of stunned looks just
from saying "those two pictures engage me, but the other two while
nice leave me cold, and here's why i think that's true for me." Or
by asking "why are you choosing to shoot pictures of people without
engaging with them." the other responses were completely vacant -
"i really like how the bricks look" and "is that tri x or ilford."
at the last meeting i put one horrifically crappy picture up with
four really good ones (independent confirmation on the good ones,
two were taken for publishing, and two were the best selling pix at
my last art fair) and got the same kind of "nice colors" talk about
all the images, even the crappy one. shrug.

I take workshops to get away from the bland blahs, and get the kind
of critique that makes you get better. even there, many of the
instructors focus on patting everyone on the head. the best i've
had was jay maisel, who's not above beginning comments with "now
that qualifies as the worst piece of cr&p image I've seen in the
last ten minutes..." i advanced hugely in one weekend workshop
with him. seth resnick is also completely unwilling to nice mouth
an image unless he knows you're a complete beginner.

short of having some folks join the forum who don't care what they
say, you may try to do what i've done; i've found a half-dozen
people who i think are good, and who think i'm good, and we made a
pact - no nice words just for nice words. we get together
regularly and bash each others work around. sometimes feelings are
hurt a bit, but we all understand that at some point it's a matter
of artistic differences. and in person, its easier to read the
genuine concern for each other and keep the criticism in
perspective. at least we hear what other people really think.
photoboothGrl said:
I'm just wondering if I need to post some in order to get critiques
on my photos...funny how posts with "naked girls" in the title get
the most replies...

be it they are bad photos or good, flattering or not...tons of
feedback..i mainly post band photos (and a huge thank you to those
of you that reply and give me feedback) but for the most part I
don't get a lot of feedback and it's just frustrating...

What's a girl to do? Add a photo of myself from the one and only
Sports Illustrated shot i did when i was 18

sigh

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i tried the 28-70mm 2.8..but i ended up buying the 24-70mm...it's almost the same but i think the AF is quicker than the 28-70mm

thank you for the tips...I have a lot to keep in mine for the 24th (my next shoot with them)

thanks again =)
Wingspar said:
I would use available lighting and a tripod. They will have to
learn to stand still. Hehe. Daytime, bright overcast days work
well. You could also boost your ISO way up. Noisy photos may work
well for these types of photos if done in B&W, and it would allow
you to skip the tripod for some shots, such as candid shots. You
could get lots of ideas by spending some time in a music store
looking at posters and CD covers.

I’m not familiar with the 24-70mm 2.8. Did you mean 28-70 f/2.8?
I would think that would be an excellent lens for this type of
application
photoboothGrl said:
they did pick the location, we started in their basement and ended
up in a "haunted" warehouse

so in terms of available lighting...you also do not recommend flash..

the lens i was using: 24-70mm 2.8 ..which would you recommend? i
want to improve the lighting...what would you recommend I do?

TIA
Wingspar said:
  1. 1 is ok, the sepia one is the best, but you really really need to
work on your lighting. To me these come out as very amateur snap
shots. As someone else said, available lighting would work well
for these types of shots. Choose your backgrounds more carefully.
I’m wondering, did the band choose the locations, or did you? Of
course, if the band is happy, that is what is important, but I
don’t think these photos will help sell the band at all. Just my 2
cents.
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Hi PhotoboothGrl,

I am primarily a nOOb nature photographer and spend my days walking around the bush looking for interesting things to shoot.

I dont think I have ever taken a picture of a person with my D100 so I dont really have anything to say about photos of people. It would be a waste of my time and the image posters time I think...

Dave
photoboothGrl said:
I'm just wondering if I need to post some in order to get critiques
on my photos...funny how posts with "naked girls" in the title get
the most replies...

be it they are bad photos or good, flattering or not...tons of
feedback..i mainly post band photos (and a huge thank you to those
of you that reply and give me feedback) but for the most part I
don't get a lot of feedback and it's just frustrating...

What's a girl to do? Add a photo of myself from the one and only
Sports Illustrated shot i did when i was 18

sigh

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They are very nice, I told you already.

They are mostly younger bands and us old poops are not so much aware of those bands ... Still, I can appreciate the level of efforts put into it and having taken many concert shots contracts in the past.
photoboothGrl said:
I'm just wondering if I need to post some in order to get critiques
on my photos...funny how posts with "naked girls" in the title get
the most replies...

be it they are bad photos or good, flattering or not...tons of
feedback..i mainly post band photos (and a huge thank you to those
of you that reply and give me feedback) but for the most part I
don't get a lot of feedback and it's just frustrating...

What's a girl to do? Add a photo of myself from the one and only
Sports Illustrated shot i did when i was 18

sigh

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Some pictures I like:
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wow...

thank you for this...I am definitely printing this thread out and reading...and as you said practice makes perfect...

i can tell you since I showed them some samples..I've been chatting with them on a more regular basis...getting to know them better...i thought they were comfortable with me shooting them...i will say they were a little out of control as i had another girl there with me..trying to make jokes and such...taking the attention away from me shooting...but then in turn she took photos...perhaps that wasn't a good idea...

you are right about control...i did let them do whatever they wanted...i'll be more tough next time..i only remember telling the singer one time to lower his chin for a shot...i wasn't really bossy...in making them pose...perhaps i need to get better and tougher with that...

i will check out your site more i hope the next one's turn out better!!
thank you
Ed Nazarko said:
i also disagree with a lot of the 'don't use flash' advice - i use
flash all the time and no one knows it when they look at the pix,
and sometimes you can get better effects and engagement with flash.
go look at shots by jeff jacobson and ben baker at
http://www.reduxpictures.com - they use flash all the time, and often only
one of them.

what i saw was images from a shoot. somebody declared the shoot
on, so you did it. then you all went home. that's such an
unnatural thing for you, based on what i've seen of your shots and
your personality in the posts. take charge of the shoot next time,
set the ground rules to favor you getting shots you like, that
allow you to work how you want. what the heck do i mean?

next time, tell them you want to hang with them for three or four
hours, and you'll shoot some during, not shoot some times. become
engaged with them as a person - they'll react then to your
personality, and suddenly the images will show their personality.
sometimes i force people to do set shots here and there during the
time, mostly as a way to get them to loosen up - shoot serious,
shoot silly, shoot formal, shoot angry, shoot bored...and then
they're tired of set shots, and then i keep shooting after the set
shots, which is when i get the shots both of us like best. (not
shooting bands, but congregants and buddhist temples, or what i
call middle aged white guy pictures in the business world) get
access to hang around during a practice, and dinner, and beers,
call a few set shots at various points, but keep shooting. (thank
god bits are cheap...)

analogy one: if you shoot street pix, and are polite, you always
ask before you shoot. the first couple shots are very self
conscious polite smiling don't we all like each other images. keep
hanging out, keep shooting, and after a bit they forget about you,
and after a bit longer you see their character and soul and get the
shot you wanted.

analogy two: look at the best beatles shots and you'll see what i
mean, the best ones always look like the photog kept shooting after
the posed shots, or before, or was just hanging out with the boyz
and captured a moment of inspired madness. that happened to occur
under big hot lights, or within range of a three strobe setup.

i didn't see your personality, or your subjects' personality. and
that disappointed me, because i know you have a fantastic, in yer
face, strong personality that can make a picture crackle, because
YOU crackle. instead, both of you were making nice and posing and
you got making nice and posing pictures. that probably bothered
you, but you couldn't get a handle on why.

it's because they aren't you - which is because you didn't control
it, because you didn't have the time and space to do it.

but - full disclosure - i'm a member of the "it takes time for
anything good to happen" school of photography.
photoboothGrl said:
ok this is what i need to hear...

they did pick the location, we started in their basement and ended
up in a "haunted" warehouse

so in terms of available lighting...you also do not recommend flash..

the lens i was using: 24-70mm 2.8 ..which would you recommend? i
want to improve the lighting...what would you recommend I do?

TIA
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thanks for the reply Dave

I like nature shots too =)
iLuminatae said:
I am primarily a nOOb nature photographer and spend my days walking
around the bush looking for interesting things to shoot.

I dont think I have ever taken a picture of a person with my D100
so I dont really have anything to say about photos of people. It
would be a waste of my time and the image posters time I think...

Dave
photoboothGrl said:
I'm just wondering if I need to post some in order to get critiques
on my photos...funny how posts with "naked girls" in the title get
the most replies...

be it they are bad photos or good, flattering or not...tons of
feedback..i mainly post band photos (and a huge thank you to those
of you that reply and give me feedback) but for the most part I
don't get a lot of feedback and it's just frustrating...

What's a girl to do? Add a photo of myself from the one and only
Sports Illustrated shot i did when i was 18

sigh

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I just like taking photographs...

http://www.pbase.com/iluminatae
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Yves P. said:
They are mostly younger bands and us old poops are not so much
aware of those bands ... Still, I can appreciate the level of
efforts put into it and having taken many concert shots contracts
in the past.
photoboothGrl said:
I'm just wondering if I need to post some in order to get critiques
on my photos...funny how posts with "naked girls" in the title get
the most replies...

be it they are bad photos or good, flattering or not...tons of
feedback..i mainly post band photos (and a huge thank you to those
of you that reply and give me feedback) but for the most part I
don't get a lot of feedback and it's just frustrating...

What's a girl to do? Add a photo of myself from the one and only
Sports Illustrated shot i did when i was 18

sigh

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Some pictures I like:
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