Panasonic's "WOW-EEE!!" GH6 Sensor and Processor

Pete Berry · Feb 14, 2022

The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

ChrisFB · Feb 14, 2022

Pete Berry said:
The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system. Tomorrow the OM Systems camera and one week later the GH6. Very curious especially about the latter.

Where did you see those specs? If they are true, the OM System’s new camera may get a hard time..

Mark9473 · Feb 14, 2022

ChrisFB said:
Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system.

Was it really necessary to put m43 down again?

drj3 · Feb 14, 2022

Pete Berry said:
The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

If it does not have a global shutter (rumors say it does not), then how do they expose all the pixels at the same time in order to eliminate rolling shutter. Rolling shutter occurs for current camera electronic and mechanical shutters, it is just decreased as the readout time for the sensor is decreased.

Dspider · Feb 14, 2022

ChrisFB said:
Pete Berry said:

The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

Click to expand...

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system. Tomorrow the OM Systems camera and one week later the GH6. Very curious especially about the latter.

Where did you see those specs? If they are true, the OM System’s new camera may get a hard time..

why ? they will have the same sensor and processor like previous models.

Ds

ChrisFB · Feb 14, 2022

Mark9473 said:
ChrisFB said:

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system.

Click to expand...

Was it really necessary to put m43 down again?

Please explain to me how I put it down? Are you denying some call it a dead system? Not me, very happy with the system and the IQ. Making fun of those who claim it to be dead.

not sure what your problem is.

ChrisFB · Feb 14, 2022

Dspider said:
ChrisFB said:

Pete Berry said:

The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

Click to expand...

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system. Tomorrow the OM Systems camera and one week later the GH6. Very curious especially about the latter.

Where did you see those specs? If they are true, the OM System’s new camera may get a hard time..

Click to expand...

why ? they will have the same sensor and processor like previous models.

Ds

According to the OP the Lumix has a 25mpx sensor. Which would be a surprise given previous sensor announcements from Sony, but nice if true. We know that the OM systems cam has a 22.9/20mp effective resolution sensor.

Tom Caldwell · Feb 14, 2022

ChrisFB said:
Dspider said:

ChrisFB said:

Pete Berry said:

The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

Click to expand...

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system. Tomorrow the OM Systems camera and one week later the GH6. Very curious especially about the latter.

Where did you see those specs? If they are true, the OM System’s new camera may get a hard time..

Click to expand...

why ? they will have the same sensor and processor like previous models.

Ds

Click to expand...

According to the OP the Lumix has a 25mpx sensor. Which would be a surprise given previous sensor announcements from Sony, but nice if true. We know that the OM systems cam has a 22.9/20mp effective resolution sensor.

I think that the comment might have been a bit obscure - that if the OM-1 was much the same as the E-M1iii which was a pretty good camera (agreed) then the OM-1 would also be a great camera. All wow aside.

Re-trim and a makeover of the firmware and it can be a quite desirable camera.

Dspider · Feb 14, 2022

Tom Caldwell said:
ChrisFB said:

Dspider said:

ChrisFB said:

Pete Berry said:

The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

Click to expand...

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system. Tomorrow the OM Systems camera and one week later the GH6. Very curious especially about the latter.

Where did you see those specs? If they are true, the OM System’s new camera may get a hard time..

Click to expand...

why ? they will have the same sensor and processor like previous models.

Ds

Click to expand...

According to the OP the Lumix has a 25mpx sensor. Which would be a surprise given previous sensor announcements from Sony, but nice if true. We know that the OM systems cam has a 22.9/20mp effective resolution sensor.

Click to expand...

I think that the comment might have been a bit obscure - that if the OM-1 was much the same as the E-M1iii which was a pretty good camera (agreed) then the OM-1 would also be a great camera. All wow aside.

Re-trim and a makeover of the firmware and it can be a quite desirable camera.

Im going with the gh6 and om1 will use the same sensor

same as the gh5 and em12.

Ds

--
The confusion starts when the scientists can't agree amongst themselves. Henry F

Mark9473 · Feb 14, 2022

ChrisFB said:
Mark9473 said:

ChrisFB said:

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system.

Click to expand...

Was it really necessary to put m43 down again?

Click to expand...

Please explain to me how I put it down? Are you denying some call it a dead system? Not me, very happy with the system and the IQ. Making fun of those who claim it to be dead.

Yes, very funny, we hadn't heard that one before.

If every poster on this forum started their post with "I don't believe for one second that m43 is a dead system" you will collectively have killed it by the end of the year.

ChrisFB said:
not sure what your problem is.

Your 10,000th nail in the coffin.

ChrisFB · Feb 14, 2022

Mark9473 said:
ChrisFB said:

Mark9473 said:

ChrisFB said:

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system.

Click to expand...

Was it really necessary to put m43 down again?

Click to expand...

Please explain to me how I put it down? Are you denying some call it a dead system? Not me, very happy with the system and the IQ. Making fun of those who claim it to be dead.

Click to expand...

Yes, very funny, we hadn't heard that one before.

If every poster on this forum started their post with "I don't believe for one second that m43 is a dead system" you will collectively have killed it by the end of the year.

Mark9473 said:

not sure what your problem is.

Click to expand...

Your 10,000th nail in the coffin.

Djeeez.....if we start an argument on everything, this place isn't much fun and that might kill it too. Much more so than a cynical remark. But never mind, I'm not in the mood for pointless discussions. Next time I'll be sure to ask your permission before I make a cynical remark. And as a final remark (no more comments whatever you write): Lets get back to the topic.

ivan bayu · Feb 14, 2022

Dspider said:
ChrisFB said:

Pete Berry said:

The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

Click to expand...

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system. Tomorrow the OM Systems camera and one week later the GH6. Very curious especially about the latter.

Where did you see those specs? If they are true, the OM System’s new camera may get a hard time..

Click to expand...

why ? they will have the same sensor and processor like previous models.

Ds

if they were the o side, i'd think they will. using same sensor for 3 flagships and same processor for two of them, but plus one

glassoholic · Feb 14, 2022

ChrisFB said:
Mark9473 said:

ChrisFB said:

Mark9473 said:

ChrisFB said:

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system.

Click to expand...

Was it really necessary to put m43 down again?

Click to expand...

Please explain to me how I put it down? Are you denying some call it a dead system? Not me, very happy with the system and the IQ. Making fun of those who claim it to be dead.

Click to expand...

Yes, very funny, we hadn't heard that one before.

If every poster on this forum started their post with "I don't believe for one second that m43 is a dead system" you will collectively have killed it by the end of the year.

ChrisFB said:

not sure what your problem is.

Click to expand...

Your 10,000th nail in the coffin.

Click to expand...

Djeeez.....if we start an argument on everything, this place isn't much fun and that might kill it too. Much more so than a cynical remark. But never mind, I'm not in the mood for pointless discussions. Next time I'll be sure to ask your permission before I make a cynical remark. And as a final remark (no more comments whatever you write): Lets get back to the topic.

If something has a commonly known problem, but people can be tongue in cheek about it, I would say that casual observers would consider it less of a problem than if everyone got worked up about it... JMHO. When laughter stops, a problem is really serious.

Pete Berry · Feb 14, 2022

drj3 said:
Pete Berry said:

The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

Click to expand...

If it does not have a global shutter (rumors say it does not), then how do they expose all the pixels at the same time in order to eliminate rolling shutter. Rolling shutter occurs for current camera electronic and mechanical shutters, it is just decreased as the readout time for the sensor is decreased.

Pixel Dust!

Pete Berry · Feb 14, 2022

ChrisFB said:
Pete Berry said:

The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

Click to expand...

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system. Tomorrow the OM Systems camera and one week later the GH6. Very curious especially about the latter.

Where did you see those specs? If they are true, the OM System’s new camera may get a hard time..

Chris, this was a compilation of things coming up in "4/3 Rumors". The hard spec that requires a larger sensor is the 5.7K p60 video as the old sensor is only 5.4K width.

I've had a long interest in numerical relationships, and deduced that Panasonic's 16:9 1K unit is not 1000, but 960 - half of a 2K (1920 px) frame width. 4K is exactly 4X this at 3840.

So our "old" sensor is 5184 px wide. Divide this by 960 px and you get precisely 5.4K - too small for the new 5.7K video promised : 5.7 X 960 = 5472px wide.

So IF the new 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 is right, a 16:9 6K video frame is 6 X 960 = 5760 px wide - and fits like a glove with 16 px to spare. For the frame height, simply multiply this by (9/16 = .5625) and you get 3240. So a 5760 x 3240 = 18.66MP 6K frame size.

Remember the GH5 and G9 "Photo 6K" ? In 4/3 ratio, it measures, from the manual, 4962 x 3744 = 18.58MP - essentially identical in total pixels to the 16/9 6K version above - and worthy of the name, shooting at 30 fps, with sound track.

rick in vegas · Feb 15, 2022

If it has Hi Rez mode , I will get it. My G9 is getting long in the tooth

Gnine · Feb 15, 2022

drj3 said:
Pete Berry said:

The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

Click to expand...

If it does not have a global shutter (rumors say it does not), then how do they expose all the pixels at the same time in order to eliminate rolling shutter. Rolling shutter occurs for current camera electronic and mechanical shutters, it is just decreased as the readout time for the sensor is decreased.

Once you get to about 1/400 sec SS, I think it becomes unnoticeable. I think the Z9 E shutter is not even that fast, & there's no complaints about that.

AllNamesAreTaken · Feb 15, 2022

Gnine said:
Once you get to about 1/400 sec SS, I think it becomes unnoticeable. I think the Z9 E shutter is not even that fast, & there's no complaints about that.

Shouldn't 1/250 about equal the rolling shutter of a mechanical shutter? Or maybe the shutter curtains move faster than the flash sync to leave some margin?

ChrisFB · Feb 15, 2022

Pete Berry said:
ChrisFB said:

Pete Berry said:

The first hint of big things to come was the official "5.7K p60 10-bit video capability" - for frame size of 5472 x 3088 px, 16.8MP - twice 4K's. That's one huge data throughput @ p60, along with 10-bit 4K p120 HFR/VFR video. Two new video power landmarks for m4/3.

The leaked 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 px actually is wide enough to shoot 6K 16:9 , and it doesn't seem a big processor challenge to shoot that @ 30p, with frame size just a couple MP's over the 5.7K's 16.8. And that leak included a 100MP Hi-res figure.

Another leak: 1) "Rolling shutter eliminated" 2) "AF tracking 5X better than GH5's" Which may be called DFD-AI.

Click to expand...

Promising to be an interesting month for a (according to some) dead system. Tomorrow the OM Systems camera and one week later the GH6. Very curious especially about the latter.

Where did you see those specs? If they are true, the OM System’s new camera may get a hard time..

Click to expand...

Chris, this was a compilation of things coming up in "4/3 Rumors". The hard spec that requires a larger sensor is the 5.7K p60 video as the old sensor is only 5.4K width.

I've had a long interest in numerical relationships, and deduced that Panasonic's 16:9 1K unit is not 1000, but 960 - half of a 2K (1920 px) frame width. 4K is exactly 4X this at 3840.

So our "old" sensor is 5184 px wide. Divide this by 960 px and you get precisely 5.4K - too small for the new 5.7K video promised : 5.7 X 960 = 5472px wide.

So IF the new 25MP sensor size of 5776 x 4336 is right, a 16:9 6K video frame is 6 X 960 = 5760 px wide - and fits like a glove with 16 px to spare. For the frame height, simply multiply this by (9/16 = .5625) and you get 3240. So a 5760 x 3240 = 18.66MP 6K frame size.

Remember the GH5 and G9 "Photo 6K" ? In 4/3 ratio, it measures, from the manual, 4962 x 3744 = 18.58MP - essentially identical in total pixels to the 16/9 6K version above - and worthy of the name, shooting at 30 fps, with sound track.

Thanks, appreciate the explanation/logic!

My thoughts on that, while reading: If the 5.7K is the highest resolution requirement actually mentioned/promised, the sensor would have enough if it delivers 5472x4104 in 4:3, or slightly less if they round e.g. 5.67K to 5.7K.

And if it would be 25Mp, it could deliver 6K, so why not advertise that in that case?

In any case, I'm very curious what it will deliver in the end. A last year published product information sheet of a new Sony M43 sensor (IMX472-AAJK) indicated 5280x3956, which is not enough for 5.7K, and following your logic is just 5.5K, lets see what we'll get!

Also wondering if they can use a bit more than the 'effective' pixels of the sensor, as DXO already gives me more than the effective resolution of the 20Mp sensors, somewhat depending on the lens used.

Pete Berry · Feb 15, 2022

rick in vegas said:
If it has Hi Rez mode , I will get it. My G9 is getting long in the tooth

Don't think you will be disapointed, Rick. The leaked photo (which I can't find now) that showed the 25MP frame dimensions also showed a 100MB Hi-rez file size.

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