Starting from Scratch - Recommend a Lense Set?

yes but it is not that bright and the focal range combined with the limited max aperture once you zoom it a liitle bit makes it not a great choice for your fields of interest

with all due respect, i think you are likely to get so many different recommendations that it won’t be easier to choose

i think you should ask to get the 1 or 2 best references for the three areas of interest you mentioned ( astro, landscape and wildlife) and based on the lenses you want to get , choose the best body for this set of lenses

Harold
Looks like I missed this one, thank you for your input. I'm beginning to see that the recommendations are indeed all over the map, and that it's highly personalized. I'm trying to start by picking an astro lens, so I can form the rest of my lenses accordingly from there, since astro landscapes seems the pickiest/least versatile. I started off by reading here:


And they advocate 'fast super wide', I think I've decided on the 7-14mm f2.8 pro as an astro lens, and I'll likely snag the 12-40 around the same time, then I'll snap my credit card in half and live off beans and rice for awhile while I figure out my own preferences :-)

A very nice picture with the 7-14mm:

 
I use the EM5.m3 as a dedicated webcam.

EM1.m3 as my main camera for everything + video

EM1.m2 is my daughters with limited hands on use.

The EM5.m3 is smaller than the EM1's, great for compactness, but I find the grip on EM1's easier to hold and carry in my hand.

Video on both EM5 & 1 are great, including facial tracking.

I do not like the EM1.m2 as much as the m3 version. The m3 feels faster to use and has a joystick. That little joystick feature I find myself using a lot.

Lenses: 12-40 F2.8 Pro. A near flawless lens on my opinion.
 
doug_fir89 wrote
I think I've decided on the 7-14mm f2.8 pro as an astro lens, and I'll likely snag the 12-40 around the same time, then I'll snap my credit card in half and live off beans and rice for awhile while I figure out my own preferences :-)
I just do not get how the above can fit your initial OP statement:
I arrived here after wanting something lightweight, compact and durable to take with me on multi-day hiking trips.
 
Having read a few of the replies I would like to add my 2 cents...Since you have no real budget, if it was me I would do the following...

If you can wait until March 2022...then do so as Olympus might a announce a new camera which may (or may not) be a step up from the current line up and you might regret getting something now...

If waiting is not an option then I would go with an EM1iii as the hand held HiRes mode is a game changer especially for landscapes...I am not into astro but I have heard that the starry AF can be quite helpful for that type of photography...So for the type of photos you are thinking about taking I think the EM1iii is worth the price premium over the EM5iii or an EM1ii ...

Worse case, you get an EM1iii now and OM Systems releases a new camera in Feb/Mar '22 and then you can just sell your EM1iii...The used market is pretty good right now for high quality used cameras...I just sold my EM1ii on eBay for $889.00 + shipping CAD...

For lenses...based on your requirements I would recommend the Olympus 8-25 F4 Pro, the Olympus 20mm F1.4 Pro for bokeh and perhaps either the 40-150 F2.8 Pro or the 12-100 F4 Pro...

I don't own either the 8-25, the 20mm prime or the 40.150 F2.8 Pro but I am sure they are all great lenses...I do own the 12-100 F4 prime and it is an awesome do it all lens...If you want something lighter then the 12-45 F4 Pro that I also have is a great little pro zoom...

Ok...It is fun spending other peoples money... : )...Whatever you get I am sure you will be happy...and if you decide to go with m43...Then welcome to the wonderful world of m43 photography...

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Bring your camera everywhere, as you never know what the world will give you.
 
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I'm a bit reluctant to get a prime as I think about it more, being so new and all I think the versatility a zoom may offer would be worth the trade offs (weight and reduced quality in general at a specific focal length vs prime).

Luckily I've got my pack weight down substantially this fall (thankfully), so I think I can afford the added weight of the 7-14mm and 12-40mm. How did you like the 7-14mm for low light performance? I worry about relying on it in such conditions since it's f-value is so high, but Olympus does advertise it as an astro lens.
 
Hi all,

I arrived here after wanting something lightweight, compact and durable to take with me on multi-day hiking trips. Naturally, I found M43 and Olympus cameras appealing. I don't have my body purchased yet, but am looking at either an E-M5 III or E-M1 II, from what I understand the relevant differences for me are that the E-M5 is a bit lighter and smaller which is nice, but the E-M1 II has larger battery capacity and more robust frame. I should note I really admire the effort Olympus has put into IBIS and 'shooting without a tripod' - that's very appealing to me as tripods are big, heavy and time consuming when on the trail.
The EM1 ii is really not that heavy, I think the lenses make the weight for that cam.
Anyway, I'm mostly wanting to take landscapes (including at night, it'd be great to capture the ol' Milky with my tent and mountains below) and wildlife shots. I wouldn't say I have a 'budget' per se, and instead it's a function of what the the lens accomplishes.

For astro, I'm looking at the Pana 12mm / 1.7 for astro, but I've heard it has purple fringing issues with the Olympus bodies (which may or may not be fixed with a Weston 2A UV filter). OTOH, the Olympus 12 / 2 is used successfully and also recommended, it just didn't seem to have the bokeh abilities of the 12 / 1.7, but is also much lighter and smaller. One last option I'm considering in this category is the Olympus 12-40 / 2.8, having a zoom lens would be a lot more versatile so I don't have to carry as much on a hike. I still need to come up with the remainder of my kit, but I'd like to settle on an astro lens first and build out from there (since astro seems inherently challenging with M43, I'd like a good lens to compensate).
if you can do manual maybe the 10mm f2 from Laowa.

I would get next a 12-45 or 12-60 lens I would next get the cheap 40-150 to give you those focal lengths, and then a 100-300 or 400 lens for your wide.
If someone could help me come up with a reasonable set of 2-4 lenses, I'd really appreciate it! I'd like to get my system figured out before making any purchases.
I tried to get you lenses with lower weight until we have to go to 300mm.
 
Starry Sky, HHHR and Live ND are all terrific tools for the dedicated landscaper. E-M1iii isn't the lightest camera to backpack with but the feature set is unequaled (no other model has those three features. The IBIS is class-leading as well.

The 12-40 is a very nice lens to anchor a kit with, adding specialty lenses as your needs become more clear.

Good luck!

Rick
Thanks, seems like the right way to go then. I thought those features would be handy along with other niceties like an ISO knob, but some just call this 'bells and whistles'. I understand it's a bit heavy but feel the extra 7oz over the E-M5 is well worth it. Seems like the verdict is pretty unanimous toward the 12-40mm as a good start lens.
 
doug_fir89 wrote

I think I've decided on the 7-14mm f2.8 pro as an astro lens, and I'll likely snag the 12-40 around the same time, then I'll snap my credit card in half and live off beans and rice for awhile while I figure out my own preferences :-)
I just do not get how the above can fit your initial OP statement:
I arrived here after wanting something lightweight, compact and durable to take with me on multi-day hiking trips.
Haha, it's all about compromise. The M43 as a format should enable me to get to lighters weights/sizes than FF. But right now, the 7-14mm and 12-40mm seem like a good starter set to learn what I want. If I find I can get by with a lightweight prime later, I'll make the switch.
 
Starry Sky, HHHR and Live ND are all terrific tools for the dedicated landscaper. E-M1iii isn't the lightest camera to backpack with but the feature set is unequaled (no other model has those three features. The IBIS is class-leading as well.

The 12-40 is a very nice lens to anchor a kit with, adding specialty lenses as your needs become more clear.

Good luck!

Rick
Thanks, seems like the right way to go then. I thought those features would be handy along with other niceties like an ISO knob, but some just call this 'bells and whistles'. I understand it's a bit heavy but feel the extra 7oz over the E-M5 is well worth it. Seems like the verdict is pretty unanimous toward the 12-40mm as a good start lens.
Heavy is subjective. For a travel kit, the 12-100mm, the 100-400mm and 60mm macro covers a lot. The 12-40mm makes it smaller.
 
  • ultrawide:
    • Oly Pro 8mm/f1.8 for astro, night and cityscape. Defished and used with HighRes Mode this even makes for a serious (post)zoom lens
    • Pana Leica 8-18/2.8-4.0 for landscape, city
  • midrange:
    • Oly Pro 12-100/4.0 for an alround lens
    • Pana Leica 12-60/2.8-4.0, a stop faster at the wide end, but 40mm shorter than the Oly
    • Panasonic Lumix 14-140
  • telerange, either of the three:
    • Oly Pro 40-150/2.8 with 1.4x and/or 2.0x teleconverter
    • Pana Leica 50-200/2.8-4.0 with 1.4x extender
    • Pana Leica 100-400.
Very personal view: I have both UWA lenses, the PL 12-60, the Oly 40-150/2.8 and the PL 100-400.

For lightweight, one lens setting, I used to grab the 12-60. One excellent lens, which I seem to either use at 12mm (and complain its not wide enough) or at the 60mm end (and complain its not long enough). <- so over time I very rarely used that. IF ever I need to go "one lens" I'd rather grab the Sigma 56/1.4 and work on the angles and composition more, enjoying the seperation, bokeh and speed of the that lens.

For lightweight two lens trips I grab the PL 8-18 and the Oly 40-150 plus both converters. I seem not to desire the mid-range focal lengths and don't mid the 18-40 gap. This is the most often used "just grab the kit and go" setting.

For a 3 lens setup I grab the 8-18, Oly 40-150 and the Pana Leica 100-400 <- if I know I will need the super long 800mm equiv range

For holidays/car trips: take'em all... (and my wifey carries the water supplies... ^^)
 
I have an A7R4 and an EM1.2. Sony IBIS is much worse than Olympus and you don’t get quite a lot of functions like HHHiRes, Live ND, Live Composite, Starry AF etc. (assuming an EM1.3). I wouldn’t rely on Sony weathersealing before 4th gen bodies apart from the A7Siii.
Those functionalities are all key to me, so thanks! I'd like to minimize fiddling on the PC too much, and Olympus seems better geared toward that with Live Comp and Starry AF built in.
Both FE and MFT have a huge lens choice but the emphasis is different. The only advantage of an A7iii over an EM1.2 is DR at base ISO. That gets eaten up pretty quickly by the advantage of IBIS and the need for longer exposures on FF to stick at base ISO when shooting at the same DoF.

If you are happy shooting on a tripod and use a modern body like the A7iv or A7Riv, then you can get a bigger shooting envelope with Sony. The Sony 20/1.8 is a great lens.
I would really like to commit to whatever ecosystem shoots best with no tripod (among other things, such as price, size/weight, durability and quality).

There's a lot of naysayers out there wrt astro shooting on M43, so it can be a bit of a damper on my purchase confidence. I appreciate the clarity you've provided, and the very nice pictures!! Especially the handheld. Am I more likely to get hand held starry skies with the Olympus, assuming the proper equipment?
Sorry, haven’t done Astro and would use a tripod.

Andrew
 
Budget?

If money was no object and my focus was lightweight hiking, I'd strongly consider the Oly 8-25 F/4 and the Pana-Leica 50-200. That would cover everything you want to do with exceptional image quality in a tiny kit.

Others will have to speak to the astro question, I have no experience with it.
Hey! That's my kit! :)

Throw in a tiny 45mm 1.8prime, a 1.4x teleconverter for the Leica and you can handle pretty much everything!
 
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Hi all,

I arrived here after wanting something lightweight, compact and durable to take with me on multi-day hiking trips. Naturally, I found M43 and Olympus cameras appealing. I don't have my body purchased yet, but am looking at either an E-M5 III or E-M1 II, from what I understand the relevant differences for me are that the E-M5 is a bit lighter and smaller which is nice, but the E-M1 II has larger battery capacity and more robust frame. I should note I really admire the effort Olympus has put into IBIS and 'shooting without a tripod' - that's very appealing to me as tripods are big, heavy and time consuming when on the trail.

Anyway, I'm mostly wanting to take landscapes (including at night, it'd be great to capture the ol' Milky with my tent and mountains below) and wildlife shots. I wouldn't say I have a 'budget' per se, and instead it's a function of what the the lens accomplishes.

For astro, I'm looking at the Pana 12mm / 1.7 for astro, but I've heard it has purple fringing issues with the Olympus bodies (which may or may not be fixed with a Weston 2A UV filter). OTOH, the Olympus 12 / 2 is used successfully and also recommended, it just didn't seem to have the bokeh abilities of the 12 / 1.7, but is also much lighter and smaller. One last option I'm considering in this category is the Olympus 12-40 / 2.8, having a zoom lens would be a lot more versatile so I don't have to carry as much on a hike. I still need to come up with the remainder of my kit, but I'd like to settle on an astro lens first and build out from there (since astro seems inherently challenging with M43, I'd like a good lens to compensate).

If someone could help me come up with a reasonable set of 2-4 lenses, I'd really appreciate it! I'd like to get my system figured out before making any purchases.
Hi!

I'm also a photographing hiker and do some casual interest of astro. I can understand Your doubts.

1) Start from choice between FF (like Sony A7**) and MFT first: for pure astro FF would be always best, especially wide angle. Due to bigger sensor and physical aperture. But it never be as lightweight travel set like MFT. Possible to carry, slightly lighter/samller than DSLR, but stil way bigger and heavier than MFT. You probably may find a particular combination of FF body and 1 lens that would be comparable in weight to MFT with a lens of similar FL, but... Consider, that Your ulimate travel set would be body + at least 2 lenses. If You want to optimize it for many aplications in terms of FL range, F/stop etc., the difference in form factor would become obvious. So it's all about priority: astro or hiking. People do sam starscape with MFT, photograph auroras etc. With less efficiency, but they can carry their tiny cams everywhere.

2) As for MFT: My ultimate travel set is ultrazoom + 1-2 fast primes: Oly 14-150, O. 17/1.8 and O. 12/2.0. Initially started from Pana 14/2.5, but replaced it quickly with 17/1.8 due to more universal FL and better F/stop. Your need may be different from mine, but if You want o start from prime lens, I can recommend 17/1.8 as a starter. It works well indoor, for night/evening/dawn landscapes, street, and so on, even some astro. FL is that universal, that I could take it as the only lens for a specific hiking trip to northern Finland at the very end of formal polar night near Saariselka (actually I took some other prime lenses, but never switched to them). Probably P. 15/1.7 could play similar role for You as a general role fast prime. But anything down from 14 mm FL would be very limited in use compared to 15-17 mm lens. There's a Sigma 16/1.4. I possibly buy it one day exclusively for astro purposes (including aurora trips to the north), but it's 400 g - to much weight for taking it on every hike.

3) If You start from fast prime, the next add on would be a zoom for general daylight photography. If You don't need anything for wildlife, You don't need long FL zoom. You may start with (already proposed) P. 12-32 as extremaly cheap and lightweight universal zoom, or just one of it lenses 14-42. As more ultimate solution for the future I would recommend here one of P. 12-60 - 2 lenses differing with F/stop. There's also excellent O. 12-100/4, but this is rather heavy lens for ultimate hiker. However, my friend paired it with OMD E-M1 II, which is excellent set, but quite substantial in size in MFT world. He is hiking with it - even in Himalaya & Karakorum. Previously he was doing the same with FF DSLR but changed to MFT (once again we land in no. 1 question). If You need longer zoom for animals, ultrazoom of kind O. 14-150, P. 14-140 are well proven choice for travel and hiking.

Regards,

-J.

P.S. I have somwhere my 17/1.8 starscape photos (nothing special, just single frames 15 s at F/2.0) from Baltoro/Concordia (>4900 m). Just K2 with unnamed stars :) and some view of Saggitarius/Scorpio area over upper Baltoro, in opposite direction (left of Mitre Peak). On that second one there were quite a few Messier objects visible. Here are some cropped versions I have sent to some astro forum:




All from 17/1.8, the 3-rd one is with Mars over upper Baltoro
 
I’ve never had one of the top Olympus cameras, so am intrigued by the idea that you can do astro using HHHr and Starry Sky AF without a tripod. You’ll be choosing your lens based not only on speed and focal length (I chose the Samyang 12mm f2) but also its coma reputation. And I had to use about 20 seconds of exposure time. Is it truly possible to reduce the exposure time to something that allows you to handhold and get good results? If so, I might have to check out these cameras!
 
I'm a bit reluctant to get a prime as I think about it more, being so new and all I think the versatility a zoom may offer would be worth the trade offs (weight and reduced quality in general at a specific focal length vs prime).

Luckily I've got my pack weight down substantially this fall (thankfully), so I think I can afford the added weight of the 7-14mm and 12-40mm. How did you like the 7-14mm for low light performance? I worry about relying on it in such conditions since it's f-value is so high, but Olympus does advertise it as an astro lens.
I find that in M43 F2.8 is marginal for low light - an awful lot better than F3.5, but not nearly as good as F1.8.

I bought my 7-14 F2.8 during the pandemic, so I haven't really got out and about with it.

For low light (non astro) my go to lenses are 15/1.7, 25/1.8 or 42.5/1.7 But mostly the 15/1.7.

The difference for astro is like this (lower EVs are better)

Oly 7-14/2.8 @7mm

Time for a star on the celestial equator to transit the circle of confusion: 29 Sec

EV: -1.9 (assuming the exposure time is the CoC transit time)

Panny 15/1.7

Time for a star on the celestial equator to transit the circle of confusion: 14 Sec

EV: -2.3

Laowa 10/2

Time for a star on the celestial equator to transit the circle of confusion: 16 Sec

EV: -2.4

Laowa 7.5/2

Time for a star on the celestial equator to transit the circle of confusion: 27.5 Sec

EV: -2.8

What you do with that depends on your plan to take just one exposure or take many for stacking, and are you taking pictures of a star field, the milky way or an aurora.

Either way the Laowa 7.5/2 gives a bit over a 1 stop advantage over the 7-14/2.8

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Cheers
Eric
(Feel free to edit and repost in DPR any image that I have posted)
 
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I did upgrade from the E-M1.2 to the E-M1.3 over a year ago. I have been really pleased with the upgrade and it was worth it for me. The improved AF and Face Detection is noticeable. The AF Joystick. The my menu. The improved IBIS that allow handheld Hi Res. The Live ND. The quicker handling. I have been very pleased with the upgrade.
 
My go to lens for Milky Way photos is the 8/1.8 Fisheye lens. Then defish. I also own the 7-14/2.8 and it works good for Milky Way photos but I like the extra speed of the 8/1.8.
 
I’ve never had one of the top Olympus cameras, so am intrigued by the idea that you can do astro using HHHr and Starry Sky AF without a tripod. You’ll be choosing your lens based not only on speed and focal length (I chose the Samyang 12mm f2) but also its coma reputation. And I had to use about 20 seconds of exposure time. Is it truly possible to reduce the exposure time to something that allows you to handhold and get good results? If so, I might have to check out these cameras!
No way possible I think. Reasonable shutter times for most of the stars even with fast lenses are beyond handheld photo. Even if You stack many tents or hundred exposures. 100 x 0.1 s is not the same as 10 x 10 s as far as I know. You may enhance signal ( + reduce noise) by stacking frames (no matter, manually or automatically in camera), but it must be detectable by Your sensor.

One can probably catch some stars with handheld wide angle lens (+ IS) with shutter times <1s, but only few brightest stars may register this way, AFAIK. Tripod is essential.

Regards,

-J.
 
I’ve never had one of the top Olympus cameras, so am intrigued by the idea that you can do astro using HHHr and Starry Sky AF without a tripod. You’ll be choosing your lens based not only on speed and focal length (I chose the Samyang 12mm f2) but also its coma reputation. And I had to use about 20 seconds of exposure time. Is it truly possible to reduce the exposure time to something that allows you to handhold and get good results? If so, I might have to check out these cameras!
Just to clarify, Starry Sky is a focusing tool with separate modes for handheld and tripod use. It doesn't provide a very long handheld exposure time. HHHR does give that by using a different scheme for capturing multiple frames than the original tripod-only version of hi res.

HTH

Rick
 

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