Two problems with new A7 IV

The A7IV has touch focusing. NOT touch shutter on the rear screen. We haven't advanced that far yet!
We? Sony may not have advanced that far but my more than 7 years old Samsung NX30 has One Touch Shot.
We..as in the human race. I don't shoot Samsung. I didn't know the NX30, which I never heard of until now allowed you to touch the rear screen and take a photo. But we are talking about the A7IV here. NOT Samsung. And if it was so popular? Why don't the other camera manufacturers have it?
 
The A7IV has touch focusing. NOT touch shutter on the rear screen. We haven't advanced that far yet!
:-) Well, wasn't there already a (settable) feature which released a shot when people showed a certain degree of smile/grin?

The next iteration might be the touch-shutter, or focus-confirmation-shutter-release, or the long time awaited great-photographic-subject-alert-bell. :-D
I'm wating for Facebook to take photos without permission as soon as one takes a photo! We get ads on Facebook for things we either looked up on the net or have even, and freakingly so, talked about.
 
Despiser wrote:

"That kind of shutter activation is found on some consumer models but I doubt it will make an appearance on Sony’s higher end line."

I completely agree with that. Such a gadget is a gimmick, because judging a good shot cannot be done at a distance of a foot or 30 centimeters on such a small display.

Technically, this would be a small task, a software-only affair that Sony could implement immediately if they wanted to.

I don't know if these criticisms are a troll attempt to downgrade this stunning camera.
I wouldn't go so far as to label it trolling, but there are many who wish their leading edge mirrorless would work like a smartphone. Other complaints I hear often is how their smartphone does such a great job getting everything in focus or how it corrects exposure automatically. To those I suggest they use a smartphone then and save some money.
 
Despiser wrote:

"That kind of shutter activation is found on some consumer models but I doubt it will make an appearance on Sony’s higher end line."

I completely agree with that. Such a gadget is a gimmick, because judging a good shot cannot be done at a distance of a foot or 30 centimeters on such a small display.
Total nonsense, you know this works great on other cameras right, not to mention smart phones...
Technically, this would be a small task, a software-only affair that Sony could implement immediately if they wanted to.

I don't know if these criticisms are a troll attempt to downgrade this stunning camera.
Don't think it's trolling. But a legit question. But I see your point.

But others on here bringing up rear screen touch focusing on 7 year old cameras or cell phones is rude since the question was by the OP about the A7IV. If rear screen touch shutter was so popular why didn't it become a "thing"? SMDH..
 
Despiser wrote:

"That kind of shutter activation is found on some consumer models but I doubt it will make an appearance on Sony’s higher end line."

I completely agree with that. Such a gadget is a gimmick, because judging a good shot cannot be done at a distance of a foot or 30 centimeters on such a small display.
Total nonsense, you know this works great on other cameras right, not to mention smart phones...
Technically, this would be a small task, a software-only affair that Sony could implement immediately if they wanted to.

I don't know if these criticisms are a troll attempt to downgrade this stunning camera.
Don't think it's trolling. But a legit question. But I see your point.
I also Agree it is not trolling. I can understand now the brand-war sentiment is so strong on DPR that any constructive criticism would trigger emotion. But still, I think calling a constructive criticism a 'trolling attempt' is not a good sign.

It is because of criticism that Sony improves things from A7mk1 to A7mk4. The grip is getting deeper, plastic mount is gone, EVF is getting better, sealing is much improved, color output becomes much more pleasing. All these are common critics and Sony is fixing it gradually. It is because of criticism that improvements would take place. Otherwise, for camera manufacture's best interest (aka maximizing gain and reduce cost), they would be more than happy to sell you a potato at the price of an A7mk4 if you're satisfied and buying it.

Also, I don't see how a criticism, if valid, will 'downgrade' a stunning camera.
But others on here bringing up rear screen touch focusing on 7 year old cameras or cell phones is rude since the question was by the OP about the A7IV. If rear screen touch shutter was so popular why didn't it become a "thing"? SMDH..
Touch to focus didn't become 'a thing' because it is something nice to have but also not a deal breaker. There are other much more significant reasons at stake for the successfulness than having touch focus or not. But it doesn't mean touch focus itself is not something good or useful.

I think saying a 7yrs old camera has touch focus is far from being rude. It is just a way to emphasize that it is technically possible, comes with barely any R&D cost, so there's no point of not having it / not asking for it / defending the absence of it. I just wish Sony add it in the future to make a good camera even better. After all, incremental improvements could add up. I know people eventually go for other brands because of quality-of-life functionalities (i.e. not essential) like in-body time-lapse and focus stacking.
 
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Despiser wrote:

"That kind of shutter activation is found on some consumer models but I doubt it will make an appearance on Sony’s higher end line."

I completely agree with that. Such a gadget is a gimmick, because judging a good shot cannot be done at a distance of a foot or 30 centimeters on such a small display.
Total nonsense, you know this works great on other cameras right, not to mention smart phones...
Technically, this would be a small task, a software-only affair that Sony could implement immediately if they wanted to.

I don't know if these criticisms are a troll attempt to downgrade this stunning camera.
Don't think it's trolling. But a legit question. But I see your point.
It is a valid point. But the OP has vanished like the Samsung cameras so who knows?

The banding is most likely caused by artificial light and wrong settings.
But others on here bringing up rear screen touch focusing on 7 year old cameras or cell phones is rude since the question was by the OP about the A7IV. If rear screen touch shutter was so popular why didn't it become a "thing"? SMDH..
Most likely because it will lead to lots of unintentional exposures.
 
Tap to shoot on the GRIII is awesome.. sux that this hasnt got that. i just assumed it would..another reason not to upgrade the a7r2.
If that’sa reason not to upgrade, then you have serious priority issues
 
Nearly all Olympus m43 could do it too. And it is no a gimmick but a very effective way to shoot kids for example, especially with a very fast single af.


What is not to like about that? It can be really useful and an easy way to pick certain people out of a group.
 
You got some good responses to your questions. It would be good to respond to these out of courtesy. LED and fluorescent lights are turning on and off either 120 or 100 times a second depending on 60 or 50 cycle AC where you live so faster shutter speeds may catch multiples of this causing banding.
 
The A7IV has touch focusing. NOT touch shutter on the rear screen. We haven't advanced that far yet!
We? Sony may not have advanced that far but my more than 7 years old Samsung NX30 has One Touch Shot.
We..as in the human race. I don't shoot Samsung. I didn't know the NX30, which I never heard of until now allowed you to touch the rear screen and take a photo. But we are talking about the A7IV here. NOT Samsung. And if it was so popular? Why don't the other camera manufacturers have it?
A lot of them do. Including Sony APS-C cameras. You have a serious issue with reading criticism of Sony products. I'm a Sony full frame shooter and I can take and give criticism and not take it personally. You might want to talk to a a therapist about such unconditional love of a thing.
 
The A7IV has touch focusing. NOT touch shutter on the rear screen. We haven't advanced that far yet!
We? Sony may not have advanced that far but my more than 7 years old Samsung NX30 has One Touch Shot.
I'm almost certain my A7III does too
 
Tap to shoot on the GRIII is awesome.. sux that this hasnt got that. i just assumed it would..another reason not to upgrade the a7r2.
Perhaps a bit OT but I'm trying to figure out how I'd manage to shoot stills with a tap on the LCD, possibly fold out - and to get this way a sharp image w/o the need to stay in the very short exposure times range.

Steadly holding the cam may be already quite challenging in the traditional position with the cam held firmely to the eye and with the shutter release button with vertical action and close to the face as the point of support/stabilization. Imagining how this could reasonably work ergonomically with the LCD screen flipped to the side or downwards, applying a tap on it. I'm not using my smartphone often for taking a photograph but I know how many of those few photos needed several attempts because of the ruined ones due to the blur caused by my tap on the screen. But that's just me with possibly my ergonomic limitations :-)

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I think saying a 7yrs old camera has touch focus is far from being rude. It is just a way to emphasize that it is technically possible, comes with barely any R&D cost, so there's no point of not having it / not asking for it / defending the absence of it. I just wish Sony add it in the future to make a good camera even better. After all, incremental improvements could add up. I know people eventually go for other brands because of quality-of-life functionalities (i.e. not essential) like in-body time-lapse and focus stacking.
The way it was said and came across was rude.

As for trolling. I would imagine Peter from Nikon Rumors would allegedly start something like that. That's from experience with him and Nikon Rumors when I shot Nikon.
 
I think saying a 7yrs old camera has touch focus is far from being rude. It is just a way to emphasize that it is technically possible, comes with barely any R&D cost, so there's no point of not having it / not asking for it / defending the absence of it. I just wish Sony add it in the future to make a good camera even better. After all, incremental improvements could add up. I know people eventually go for other brands because of quality-of-life functionalities (i.e. not essential) like in-body time-lapse and focus stacking.
The way it was said and came across was rude.
I think it is up to personal interpretation. For me it looks fine. After all it is criticism toward a thing, not a person.
As for trolling. I would imagine Peter from Nikon Rumors would allegedly start something like that. That's from experience with him and Nikon Rumors when I shot Nikon.
This is conspiracy stretching too far. Unless the same guy spamming the same complaint all over the forum non-stop, I don't think it has anything to do with trolling.
 
I think saying a 7yrs old camera has touch focus is far from being rude. It is just a way to emphasize that it is technically possible, comes with barely any R&D cost, so there's no point of not having it / not asking for it / defending the absence of it. I just wish Sony add it in the future to make a good camera even better. After all, incremental improvements could add up. I know people eventually go for other brands because of quality-of-life functionalities (i.e. not essential) like in-body time-lapse and focus stacking.
The way it was said and came across was rude.
I think it is up to personal interpretation. For me it looks fine. After all it is criticism toward a thing, not a person.
As for trolling. I would imagine Peter from Nikon Rumors would allegedly start something like that. That's from experience with him and Nikon Rumors when I shot Nikon.
This is conspiracy stretching too far. Unless the same guy spamming the same complaint all over the forum non-stop, I don't think it has anything to do with trolling.
I've dealt with rude people since 2015...without getting into detail. As for a conspiracy stretching too far? You apparently was never on the Nikon Rumors forum.
 
Tap to shoot on the GRIII is awesome.. sux that this hasnt got that. i just assumed it would..another reason not to upgrade the a7r2.
Perhaps a bit OT but I'm trying to figure out how I'd manage to shoot stills with a tap on the LCD, possibly fold out - and to get this way a sharp image w/o the need to stay in the very short exposure times range.

Steadly holding the cam may be already quite challenging in the traditional position with the cam held firmely to the eye and with the shutter release button with vertical action and close to the face as the point of support/stabilization. Imagining how this could reasonably work ergonomically with the LCD screen flipped to the side or downwards, applying a tap on it. I'm not using my smartphone often for taking a photograph but I know how many of those few photos needed several attempts because of the ruined ones due to the blur caused by my tap on the screen. But that's just me with possibly my ergonomic limitations :-)
 
Tap to shoot on the GRIII is awesome.. sux that this hasnt got that. i just assumed it would..another reason not to upgrade the a7r2.
Perhaps a bit OT but I'm trying to figure out how I'd manage to shoot stills with a tap on the LCD, possibly fold out - and to get this way a sharp image w/o the need to stay in the very short exposure times range.

Steadly holding the cam may be already quite challenging in the traditional position with the cam held firmely to the eye and with the shutter release button with vertical action and close to the face as the point of support/stabilization. Imagining how this could reasonably work ergonomically with the LCD screen flipped to the side or downwards, applying a tap on it. I'm not using my smartphone often for taking a photograph but I know how many of those few photos needed several attempts because of the ruined ones due to the blur caused by my tap on the screen. But that's just me with possibly my ergonomic limitations :-)
Youre overvthinking it. Instead of pressing a button you touch the screen and it takes a photo. Its really that simple. On tripod, off tripod whatever it doesnt matter. When i use the griii in low light i always use tap to shoot as pressing the shutter can cause more movement in the camera. There is no blur caused by tap to shoot.

I just typed this on my phone..and taped the screen loads of times....
it's horrible to use and that's why apple hasnt implemented it either
 
Tap to shoot on the GRIII is awesome.. sux that this hasnt got that. i just assumed it would..another reason not to upgrade the a7r2.
Perhaps a bit OT but I'm trying to figure out how I'd manage to shoot stills with a tap on the LCD, possibly fold out - and to get this way a sharp image w/o the need to stay in the very short exposure times range.

Steadly holding the cam may be already quite challenging in the traditional position with the cam held firmely to the eye and with the shutter release button with vertical action and close to the face as the point of support/stabilization. Imagining how this could reasonably work ergonomically with the LCD screen flipped to the side or downwards, applying a tap on it. I'm not using my smartphone often for taking a photograph but I know how many of those few photos needed several attempts because of the ruined ones due to the blur caused by my tap on the screen. But that's just me with possibly my ergonomic limitations :-)
Youre overvthinking it. Instead of pressing a button you touch the screen and it takes a photo. Its really that simple. On tripod, off tripod whatever it doesnt matter. When i use the griii in low light i always use tap to shoot as pressing the shutter can cause more movement in the camera. There is no blur caused by tap to shoot.

I just typed this on my phone..and taped the screen loads of times....
it's horrible to use and that's why apple hasnt implemented it either
Lol, horrible to use? Really. You must hate phones.

Easy on android, point and shoot..
 
Despiser wrote:

"That kind of shutter activation is found on some consumer models but I doubt it will make an appearance on Sony’s higher end line."

I completely agree with that. Such a gadget is a gimmick, because judging a good shot cannot be done at a distance of a foot or 30 centimeters on such a small display.
Total nonsense, you know this works great on other cameras right, not to mention smart phones...
Technically, this would be a small task, a software-only affair that Sony could implement immediately if they wanted to.

I don't know if these criticisms are a troll attempt to downgrade this stunning camera.
Don't think it's trolling. But a legit question. But I see your point.

But others on here bringing up rear screen touch focusing on 7 year old cameras or cell phones is rude since the question was by the OP about the A7IV. If rear screen touch shutter was so popular why didn't it become a "thing"? SMDH..
I did not see it as being rude in any way or even a hint of being rude. I saw a bit of confusion though, when you mentioned that "we"/"humans" have not advanced that far. So a few people (me included) simply stated that there have been advancements made that can do the touch shutter. The FF Sony A7C that came out last year has it, my Canon M50 has it, the high end Canon R5 has it and other Sony cameras have it too . When you wrote "we", I first thought you meant "Sony". People did not reply to be rude to the OP for the reasons you stated, but rather It was to correctly inform you that the technology does indeed exist and has/is being used in consumer cameras.

As I mentioned, I am one of the people who mentioned that another camera has that features, so if you felt that I was being rude, I want to assure you that was not at all my intent.
 
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