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A while back there were rumours and comments on Canon Rumours site and other places that there was a 5DSR type "R" series camera due out. The 5DSR went on sale at silly money , and sold out............. then nothing.

I don't see any more chat about this camera and the R3 seems to have stolen the show , along with less spec arrival mentions.

Is it a case of they have pulled away because they need to sort out the speed of readout and the new chips , so that shutter shock and jello don't destroy the high res. Or is Canon quietly looking at the amount of cover Fuji is getting with their GFX cameras and wondering if they might rethink. Do they ever think back to all the guys that learned on 35mm and then walked off to Mamiya, Hasselblad, Bronica, Pentax67 or the Fuji film offering . When you look at the new Panasonic box camera, and the modular ( medium format design) and the same lens mount as the S1R etc ...,,..,.

Is there a place where the more Studio /Landscape users no longer need to be limited to the typical SLR format ?
 
Can't tell you when though, Canon isn't saying yet

These things work at the scale of years. I don't expect multiple top models to show up at same time

Wait and watch. Till then there is 45MP
 
My point is , they sat with their collective fingers installed and watched the quality end of the market haemorrhage to " Medium format " , and once gone , the potential spend on lenses and many accessories all went to other larger camera format markets.

Digital was the chance to now look at the situation and decided that before the same thing happens again ....,. yet they sit tight lipped , in the same finger inserted poise , and watch the slow slide again . That GFX 100s is a hell of a camera, how many will be tempted that if there has to be a lens mount change, then let it be a brand change.
 
Ken60 said:
My point is , they sat with their collective fingers installed and watched the quality end of the market haemorrhage to " Medium format " , and once gone , the potential spend on lenses and many accessories all went to other larger camera format markets.
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Ken60 said:
Digital was the chance to now look at the situation and decided that before the same thing happens again ....,. yet they sit tight lipped , in the same finger inserted poise , and watch the slow slide again . That GFX 100s is a hell of a camera, how many will be tempted that if there has to be a lens mount change, then let it be a brand change.
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I don't see any of what you say happening. I do see Canon selling very well with what they are producing. Have you looked at their recent financial results?

Those who want gfx 100 will go and buy it. No one expects to have a 100% market share. Doesn't mean every company has to make everything and not have their own vision
 
Ken60 said:
My point is , they sat with their collective fingers installed and watched the quality end of the market haemorrhage to " Medium format " , and once gone , the potential spend on lenses and many accessories all went to other larger camera format markets.

Digital was the chance to now look at the situation and decided that before the same thing happens again ....,. yet they sit tight lipped , in the same finger inserted poise , and watch the slow slide again . That GFX 100s is a hell of a camera, how many will be tempted that if there has to be a lens mount change, then let it be a brand change.
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Ken60 said:
My point is , they sat with their collective fingers installed and watched the quality end of the market haemorrhage to " Medium format " , and once gone , the potential spend on lenses and many accessories all went to other larger camera format markets.

Digital was the chance to now look at the situation and decided that before the same thing happens again ....,. yet they sit tight lipped , in the same finger inserted poise , and watch the slow slide again . That GFX 100s is a hell of a camera, how many will be tempted that if there has to be a lens mount change, then let it be a brand change.
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I think you are overestimating the number of people that need to print 60x90"
 
tkbslc said:
R5 = 45MP

Sony A7R IV = 61MP (prints only 16% larger in each dimension than 45MP at same PPI)

Nikon Z7 II = 45MP

Seems like you can easily get high res if you want it.
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true, but what if one wants a 45+mp R3 quality camera? that is the situation i am in...and a whole lot of weddings, landscapers, portrait photographers.

R3 is gonna be a great camera for those who needs it, such as photo journalists, fast sport events and so on. unfortunately, not all wishes can fit one model. so we wait until the right model comes along (a 5DsR type).
 
Larawanista said:
Ken60 said:
My point is , they sat with their collective fingers installed and watched the quality end of the market haemorrhage to " Medium format " , and once gone , the potential spend on lenses and many accessories all went to other larger camera format markets.

Digital was the chance to now look at the situation and decided that before the same thing happens again ....,. yet they sit tight lipped , in the same finger inserted poise , and watch the slow slide again . That GFX 100s is a hell of a camera, how many will be tempted that if there has to be a lens mount change, then let it be a brand change.
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Canon was late in the mirrorless game and that's got to cost money and, worst of all, time to recover. With the RF system in place, they need to calibrate cautiously every new camera release with the new pandemic economics. They also are not trying to completely alienate their DSLR customers. On top of that, they need to find out how they can be the leader again, this time on FF mirrorless. There's only 1, perhaps 2 features in the R3 that Sony has not matched yet. And it's clear Sony won't take long to match them (like the OVF mode for the EVF).

They're still recovering from what I think is pretty serious setback. They almost went Blackberry's way. The R5, R6 and R3 served notice to competitors and consumers that they're back. Whatever next magic they're coming up with I think will take some time.
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the natural extension of the action for canon, would be a high rez flagship (R1) to basically crush the competition, such as 5D or 1D in their days ;-) knowing canon, i think they are aware of this fact and they will take a solid step in their next iteration.
 
1Dx4me said:
tkbslc said:
R5 = 45MP

Sony A7R IV = 61MP (prints only 16% larger in each dimension than 45MP at same PPI)

Nikon Z7 II = 45MP

Seems like you can easily get high res if you want it.
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true, but what if one wants a 45+mp R3 quality camera? that is the situation i am in...and a whole lot of weddings, landscapers, portrait photographers.
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BlueRay2 said:
R3 is gonna be a great camera for those who needs it, such as photo journalists, fast sport events and so on. unfortunately, not all wishes can fit one model. so we wait until the right model comes along (a 5DsR type).
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R5 is 45MP and has incredible AF tracking and 20fps shooting. Seems like you guys will never be happy.
 
tkbslc said:
1Dx4me said:
tkbslc said:
R5 = 45MP

Sony A7R IV = 61MP (prints only 16% larger in each dimension than 45MP at same PPI)

Nikon Z7 II = 45MP

Seems like you can easily get high res if you want it.
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true, but what if one wants a 45+mp R3 quality camera? that is the situation i am in...and a whole lot of weddings, landscapers, portrait photographers.

R3 is gonna be a great camera for those who needs it, such as photo journalists, fast sport events and so on. unfortunately, not all wishes can fit one model. so we wait until the right model comes along (a 5DsR type).
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R5 is 45MP and has incredible AF tracking and 20fps shooting. Seems like you guys will never be happy.
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Ha ha...i hate to say this, and many people will get upset, but i still think R5 is a "Beta" R camera that is being tested. my reason is: almost every week i hear about R5's issues that come up that the owners discover and there is nothing they can do about it. don't take my word, just search for it in this forum.

now, when R3 comes out, it is gonna be a flagship that'll work like 1D quality. most of the bugs will be taken care of. but anything under 30mp is not gonna do it for me, period, especially if i have shell $6K. that is the problem when you get use to 5DsR dslr :-)
 
1Dx4me said:
tkbslc said:
1Dx4me said:
tkbslc said:
R5 = 45MP

Sony A7R IV = 61MP (prints only 16% larger in each dimension than 45MP at same PPI)

Nikon Z7 II = 45MP

Seems like you can easily get high res if you want it.
Click to expand...
true, but what if one wants a 45+mp R3 quality camera? that is the situation i am in...and a whole lot of weddings, landscapers, portrait photographers.

R3 is gonna be a great camera for those who needs it, such as photo journalists, fast sport events and so on. unfortunately, not all wishes can fit one model. so we wait until the right model comes along (a 5DsR type).
Click to expand...
R5 is 45MP and has incredible AF tracking and 20fps shooting. Seems like you guys will never be happy.
Click to expand...
Ha ha...i hate to say this, and many people will get upset, but i still think R5 is a "Beta" R camera that is being tested. my reason is: almost every week i hear about R5's issues that come up that the owners discover and there is nothing they can do about it. don't take my word, just search for it in this forum.

now, when R3 comes out, it is gonna be a flagship that'll work like 1D quality. most of the bugs will be taken care of. but anything under 30mp is not gonna do it for me, period, especially if i have shell $6K. that is the problem when you get use to 5DsR dslr :-)
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What about all that noise we heard about oil on the sensor? Hmm...
 
tkbslc said:
1Dx4me said:
tkbslc said:
R5 = 45MP

Sony A7R IV = 61MP (prints only 16% larger in each dimension than 45MP at same PPI)

Nikon Z7 II = 45MP

Seems like you can easily get high res if you want it.
Click to expand...
true, but what if one wants a 45+mp R3 quality camera? that is the situation i am in...and a whole lot of weddings, landscapers, portrait photographers.

R3 is gonna be a great camera for those who needs it, such as photo journalists, fast sport events and so on. unfortunately, not all wishes can fit one model. so we wait until the right model comes along (a 5DsR type).
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R5 is 45MP and has incredible AF tracking and 20fps shooting. Seems like you guys will never be happy.
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By "you guys' I assume you mean 1DX4me and TVStaff? But I totally get what they're saying... The R5 locked up on me last weekend in the middle of a portrait session. Of course people always comment... it's embarrassing LOL. Anyway, I still like the R5 but I get what they're saying about wanting an R5 type camera with R3 build and features. I think they're rushing the process though. If I was them I would buy an R5 and just chill for a year or two and let Canon refine a future R1. There's no rush IMO. Plus, we want to try and get a next generation sensor not a R3 or R5 spinoff. The more they force the issue the worse the R1 gets...
 
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1Dx4me said:
Larawanista said:
Ken60 said:
My point is , they sat with their collective fingers installed and watched the quality end of the market haemorrhage to " Medium format " , and once gone , the potential spend on lenses and many accessories all went to other larger camera format markets.

Digital was the chance to now look at the situation and decided that before the same thing happens again ....,. yet they sit tight lipped , in the same finger inserted poise , and watch the slow slide again . That GFX 100s is a hell of a camera, how many will be tempted that if there has to be a lens mount change, then let it be a brand change.
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Canon was late in the mirrorless game and that's got to cost money and, worst of all, time to recover. With the RF system in place, they need to calibrate cautiously every new camera release with the new pandemic economics. They also are not trying to completely alienate their DSLR customers. On top of that, they need to find out how they can be the leader again, this time on FF mirrorless. There's only 1, perhaps 2 features in the R3 that Sony has not matched yet. And it's clear Sony won't take long to match them (like the OVF mode for the EVF).

They're still recovering from what I think is pretty serious setback. They almost went Blackberry's way. The R5, R6 and R3 served notice to competitors and consumers that they're back. Whatever next magic they're coming up with I think will take some time.
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the natural extension of the action for canon, would be a high rez flagship (R1) to basically crush the competition, such as 5D or 1D in their days ;-) knowing canon, i think they are aware of this fact and they will take a solid step in their next iteration.
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As if the competition is static? It ceases to be that kind of market, if you haven't noticed. Sony has the ability to come up with tech and features ahead of Canon. Their lead is now narrower of course. I don't think Canon will release the R1 within a year because that simply increases the risk of being a short-lived "leading FF mirrorless" product. I frankly hope Sony keeps its lead for a few more years. Or even longer. Without the A7R series and the A9, we wouldn't have the R5, R6 and R3 this soon.

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Canon maintained it's leadership over the LSR/DSLR era with a marketing strategy of offering cameras prioritized for differing needs, priorities, and price points; and just because they designed a new mount, and went from SLR to mirrorless, there's no logical reason to totally abandon the strategy that placed them at the top for decades.

The only reason that the RF line doesn't currently reflect the former DSLR line is due to to a global epidemic that has slowed everything down; and though it may seem discouragingly long for some, hopefully by the end of 2022 there will likely be an R7 -7d2 replacement, and an R5-s/r- 5Ds/r replacement.

The "1" series will continue to be prioritized to the needs/wishes of Professional Sports/Action photographers where many other aspects trump mega resolution.

The "5" series will continue to be prioritized to the needs/wishes of Landscape, Studio photographers where some degree of "higher" resolution is desirable.
 
Larawanista said:
Ken60 said:
My point is , they sat with their collective fingers installed and watched the quality end of the market haemorrhage to " Medium format " , and once gone , the potential spend on lenses and many accessories all went to other larger camera format markets.

Digital was the chance to now look at the situation and decided that before the same thing happens again ....,. yet they sit tight lipped , in the same finger inserted poise , and watch the slow slide again . That GFX 100s is a hell of a camera, how many will be tempted that if there has to be a lens mount change, then let it be a brand change.
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Canon was late in the mirrorless game and that's got to cost money and, worst of all, time to recover. With the RF system in place, they need to calibrate cautiously every new camera release with the new pandemic economics. They also are not trying to completely alienate their DSLR customers. On top of that, they need to find out how they can be the leader again, this time on FF mirrorless. There's only 1, perhaps 2 features in the R3 that Sony has not matched yet. And it's clear Sony won't take long to match them (like the OVF mode for the EVF).

They're still recovering from what I think is pretty serious setback. They almost went Blackberry's way. The R5, R6 and R3 served notice to competitors and consumers that they're back. Whatever next magic they're coming up with I think will take some time.
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Ken60 said:
My point is , they sat with their collective fingers installed and watched the quality end of the market haemorrhage to " Medium format " , and once gone , the potential spend on lenses and many accessories all went to other larger camera format markets.

Digital was the chance to now look at the situation and decided that before the same thing happens again ....,. yet they sit tight lipped , in the same finger inserted poise , and watch the slow slide again . That GFX 100s is a hell of a camera, how many will be tempted that if there has to be a lens mount change, then let it be a brand change.
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Up to a point, but according to Fujifilm's roadmap, https://fujifilm-x.com/global/products/g-mount-lens-roadmap, you're going to be very disappointed if you want a lens faster than the 35mm equivalent of f/1.4 or wider than 19mm f /3.2 equivalent or longer than 200mm f/3.2 equivalent (280mm f/4.5 including the teleconverter) or any sort of native T/S lens within the next two years.
Ken60 said:
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Gear ... what I need to get the job done , after all you don't see mechanics listing their brand of spanner as a qualification .
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1Dx4me said:
tkbslc said:
1Dx4me said:
tkbslc said:
R5 = 45MP

Sony A7R IV = 61MP (prints only 16% larger in each dimension than 45MP at same PPI)

Nikon Z7 II = 45MP

Seems like you can easily get high res if you want it.
Click to expand...
true, but what if one wants a 45+mp R3 quality camera? that is the situation i am in...and a whole lot of weddings, landscapers, portrait photographers.

R3 is gonna be a great camera for those who needs it, such as photo journalists, fast sport events and so on. unfortunately, not all wishes can fit one model. so we wait until the right model comes along (a 5DsR type).
Click to expand...
R5 is 45MP and has incredible AF tracking and 20fps shooting. Seems like you guys will never be happy.
Click to expand...
Ha ha...i hate to say this, and many people will get upset, but i still think R5 is a "Beta" R camera that is being tested. my reason is: almost every week i hear about R5's issues that come up that the owners discover and there is nothing they can do about it. don't take my word, just search for it in this forum.
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Do you own a R5? Or repeating just forum statements 2nd hand? Perfection = No but cant see anything from professional reviewers as a major issue other than overheating in 8K video. Not denying odd issue but far from a beta.
BlueRay2 said:
now, when R3 comes out, it is gonna be a flagship that'll work like 1D quality. most of the bugs will be taken care of. but anything under 30mp is not gonna do it for me, period, especially if i have shell $6K. that is the problem when you get use to 5DsR dslr :-)
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R5 resolves just as much for most people as the 5DSr - and a far more responsive camera.

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"Let's take a look at this camera's resolution, starting with a comparison between the Canon EOS R5 and Canon EOS 5Ds R. While the 5Ds R shows details being rendered slightly larger, the R5 is showing a similar amount of resolution. I could argue that either camera is a winner in that competition, but that an argument can be made despite the very sharp 5Ds R image having 5 MP of resolution advantage shows how impressively the R5 is performing. Note that the R5 delivers this level of sharpness despite having a low pass filter and no cancellation specified. Also, note the lack of moiré in the R5 results."

So in effect the R5 = the new and improved 5DSr IMHO (having now sold both my 5DSr and 5DIV).

R1s - or R5s whatever its called - only any use as another poster has said with that 60x90" print.
 
Up to a point, but according to Fujifilm's roadmap, https://fujifilm-x.com/global/products/g-mount-lens-roadmap, you're going to be very disappointed if you want a lens faster than the 35mm equivalent of f/1.4 or wider than 19mm f /3.2 equivalent or longer than 200mm f/3.2 equivalent (280mm f/4.5 including the teleconverter) or any sort of native T/S lens within the next two years.

I sometimes think the amateur bragging rights of " I have an f 1.4 lens is nothing more than one-upmanship . For several decades I managed to earn a living in publishing with a set of fixed focal length lenses for my Mamiya RB 50, 90, 180 ... and not a lot used 37mm and 360 with a 2x. None of these lenses were fast in todays terms f4.5 at best , but with 6cm x 7cm this gives great blur . Often the issue with true medium format , is having powerful enough lights to get to the f11 and 16 that you need ! We had nicer things that 35mm envied , like leaf shutters, ground glass screens to look down into , the ability to change horizontal to vertical without moving the camera body on the tripod . NO BATTERIES ! it never ran out of power . This fascination with 20 fps is either sports orientated or the misused toy of the spray and pray fraternity.

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Gear ... what I need to get the job done , after all you don't see mechanics listing their brand of spanner as a qualification .
 
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Ken60 said:
Up to a point, but according to Fujifilm's roadmap, https://fujifilm-x.com/global/products/g-mount-lens-roadmap, you're going to be very disappointed if you want a lens faster than the 35mm equivalent of f/1.4 or wider than 19mm f /3.2 equivalent or longer than 200mm f/3.2 equivalent (280mm f/4.5 including the teleconverter) or any sort of native T/S lens within the next two years.

I sometimes think the amateur bragging rights of " I have an f 1.4 lens is nothing more than one-upmanship .
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If it's any consolation, I don't have any f/1.4 lenses either.
Ken60 said:
For several decades I managed to earn a living in publishing with a set of fixed focal length lenses for my Mamiya RB 50, 90, 180 ... and not a lot used 37mm and 360 with a 2x. None of these lenses were fast in todays terms f4.5 at best , but with 6cm x 7cm this gives great blur .
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They would. f/4.5 on 6x7 is the equivalent of f/2.8 on Fujifilm's G format or f/2.3 on 35mm. Only two Fuji gx lenses are faster than that, and one is their 35mm equivalent of a 90mm fast portrait lens.
Ken60 said:
Often the issue with true medium format , is having powerful enough lights to get to the f11 and 16 that you need ! We had nicer things that 35mm envied , like leaf shutters, ground glass screens to look down into , the ability to change horizontal to vertical without moving the camera body on the tripod . NO BATTERIES !
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I used to change my batteries every year, religiously, so that they didn't make a mess of the battery compartment. I needed them for the light meter. I do actually possess a leaf shutter 35mm SLR with a selenium meter that doesn't need batteries. But we're getting off the subject of the limited lens selection for Fuji gfx. Half of my EF mount lenses have capabilities that can't be achieved within the current Fuji G lens range.
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it never ran out of power . This fascination with 20 fps is either sports orientated or the misused toy of the spray and pray fraternity.
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I don't have that fascination, which is why I never mentioned it.
Ken60 said:
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Gear ... what I need to get the job done , after all you don't see mechanics listing their brand of spanner as a qualification .
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