Trying the 18-55, 16-80, and 16-55

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I've been agonizing over the Fuji mid-range zooms for a while—especially the 18-55, 16-80, and 16-55. I mainly use primes but have been looking for a single-lens solution for times when I don't want to change lenses (e.g., inclement weather, long hikes, the beach). I mainly take candid pictures of my family life, so no dedicated landscape, product, or street. I've been wanting a zoom that can work for my everyday photography—especially for photos of people.

I started by trying out the 16-80. But I couldn't shake the feeling that I might prefer the 18-55 or 16-55. So I bought used copies of all three and have been using them intensively for a couple of weeks, with the goal of choosing one and selling the others. Often, I’ve gone out with all three, switching between them frequently, taking comparable (though not identical) shots of the same basic scenes. When I get home, I import all the pictures, select my favorites, and only then look at which lens took what.

Here's what I've found so far. (Spoiler alert: turns out it's mostly what I knew before my little experiment.)

The 18-55. I don't think online reviews prepared me for how small and light this lens is. It's almost miraculously compact. It's a joy to handle, is well-stabilized, and has a useful range. I think I got a nice copy, made in Japan; sharpness is very good at pretty much all FLs. A lack of WR somewhat undermines its ability to be a one-lens solution. But the biggest drawback, for me, is a certain flatness to the images. They are sharp, but seem to lack a little 3-D detail—almost as though I’ve taken a photograph of a photograph. Here’s one of my favorite 18-55 shots.

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The 16-80. I've owned two copies; the first was a little soft at 16, but my current copy is quite sharp throughout the range. I love the way the lens feels to use, and it’s not too big. The images have decent-to-good detail and color, especially in the center. In good light, they are a little more textured and three-dimensional than what I get from the 18-55. Overall, because of the range, the IQ, and the WR, I prefer this lens to the 18-55—it seems to offer more without a burdensome increase in heft. Going through my images without looking at EXIF, I could usually pick out pictures made with the 18-55, but often had trouble distinguishing between pictures taken by the 16-55 and 16-80—a credit to the 16-80. Here’s a 16-80 photo I liked; like a lot of the pictures I got from this lens, it's vivid, but somehow has a slightly texture-less quality.

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The 16-55. This definitely has the best IQ—to me, it’s pretty obvious and visible without pixel-peeping, especially for photos taken in challenging light. The quality is partly about sharpness, but also has to do with colors and textures. Images are just more detailed and 3-D. The faster aperture makes a meaningful difference for portraits, which can be prime-like in their vividness; there are differences in landscapes, too, especially at the corners (although the 16-80 is probably good enough for my relatively undemanding use). Some of the biggest IQ benefits happened indoors, where the extra stop of light was useful. I see why event photographers like this lens! It's definitely big and heavy, but I found that I was able to get over it. Here’s a photo I liked—it seems to have some of the almost metallic rendering that I now associate with the 16-55.

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In the end.... I’ll be selling the 18-55. I like its small size, but I don’t love the IQ. The 16-80 and the 16-55 are harder to decide between. I suspect that, if I were buying a zoom for hiking, landscapes, and the outdoors, I’d gravitate more definitively towards the 16-80 for its weight, size, and OIS. (I don’t have IBIS.) I ended up certain that the 16-80 is a very good lens—especially at its current price of $599! But I mainly take pictures of people, and so OIS isn’t so helpful. For photographing family, the 16-55’s extra stop of light is attractive. Experimenting with these zooms has clarified how much I value fast apertures in my everyday photography; I take a lot of photos indoors and often want background separation. In terms of light, even the 16-55 feels like a slow lens to me.

Oddly, having all three lenses has also made me question whether I even need a midrange zoom. It doesn’t seem to me that I got more “keepers” by using one. Maybe I would've felt differently if I'd been traveling or going to more unfamiliar places—but, when I travel, I tend to keep my kit as small as possible. I may well keep the 16-55—it's the lens I liked the most—but I could also see selling all three lenses, recouping my costs, and returning to only primes. Possibly I should just stick to certain normal focal lengths—23, 27, 35—when I want to avoid lens changes. It could be that my "single lens solution" for "inclement weather, long hikes, the beach" is . . . the X100V.

I wonder if anyone else has tried all three of these zooms at once or separately, and what conclusions you've come to.
 
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A great write-up, I haven't had all three in the same spot at the same time, but I have (and currently do haha) have the 18-55mm and 16-55mm together right now and went out earlier today to have a walk with both of them.

I have also owned 2 copies of the 16-80mm, and unfortunately both of them I did not like almost at all. I want/wanted to love that lens soooooooooooooo badly but it just didn't come together for me and I don't hugely feel like trying a 3rd time. I am tempted by the cheap price but I won't do it. The range is so perfect for a single walking/hiking landscape solution, and the OIS was very good. The size is great though the zoom ring was a little lighter than I'd like, but no big deal.

The 18-55mm I've owned a couple of them and thankfully they've always been pretty great. Those lenses are so tiny, it's pretty incredible to fit that much goodness into such a small package, the only thing it's missing is weather resistant seals.

The 16-55mm I'd owned a while ago and it was fantastic, I only let it go because I had sold my X-H1 and I never used it for my X-T1. It's very similar image quality to the Nikon 24-70mm f/4 I've owned, and that's really saying something! I love the build quality it's a properly solid chunky beautiful lens. Sadly no OIS but that's okay I s'pose since it's got everything else it needs anyway and I don't live or die by OIS or IBIS though I do really love having it available.

I'm a prime guy and have been for many many many years, so it's quite tricky to convince myself to buy another fantastic 16-55mm and then potentially not use it enough to justify the $1k sitting around instead of using that to buy something else...like another prime lol.

Man I wish I could have had a perfect 16-80mm though haha.

Edit: my thoughts are strictly for still photography as I don't shoot any video whatsoever

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A good synopsis of the lenses. I have never owned the 16-80 and don’t intend to though I’ll admit I often wish my 16-55 had more reach. I suppose a 16-80 that was optically as good as the brick it would probably be a tank. I will say I miss my 18-55. Got it with my XE1 and served me well for about 7 years until I knocked it off my coffee table. It’s a great do it all lens with the IQ being better than average. Replaced it with the 10-24 which is also a good lens. I just wish it was faster than f4 but honestly normally use it for landscapes and don’t need faster.
 
Another thing to consider is video for non ibis equipped cameras. I came to Fuji from Leica. I never even thought about zooms. When I started to build my Fuji gear up, there's so many great primes that zooms still never entered my mind. I recently picked up an X-E4 as a light travel camera and trying my hand at some video. Since it doesn't have ibis I searched for the smallest stabilized lens and the 18-55 was it. It really hasn't left my X-E4. I use the primes on my X-Pro 3 mainly. You are 100% correct on the 18-55. It is small/light, has a relatively fast aperture, good focusing and sharp...but the images have no dimension to them. So very flat. I've been tempted by the 16-80 for a little more reach and an aperture ring, but I don't know if the image quality will be much better than the 18-55 to justify the larger size.
 
So I currently own all three. When I returned to shooting Fuji I had an opportunity to get the XF 16-55 at an attractive price so I bought one to use on my X-T3. When the 16-80 came out I thought, great, the weight, reach, and IBIS made me want to get it as the perfect walking around lens. So I did but admit to liking the images from the 16-55 better. Then I upgraded to the X-T4 with IBIS and started Using the 16-55 more again except when I want only one lens.

The 18-55 has always been nice to have and when one came with the X-E3 I also bought I keep it. For my X-E3 I have a bag with it, the 18-55, and the XF 27mm f/2.8 and that’s it.

So I plan on keeping all three and use them where they fit in. Thank
 
If I may add, the 18-135mm isnt too shabby either and a lot of people swear by it as their main travel lens for its versatility and weight. However, it does get pretty soft at the long end. But hey, a picture at 135mm is better than no picture at all :) I've now owned all these lenses, but have only kept the 16-55mm and 18-135mm.
 
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Hi,

There seems to be some variability in the copies of all three lenses and there's a lot of opinion around..... I think the only way to know is to try your own - which is what you're doing - and decide with the actual samples you have in your hand.

I've only tried the 18-55 and 16-55, not the 16-80. Since 2014, I've been shooting primes when feeling serious and using the 18-55 for my 'go-to', social and travel duties. I bought the 16-55 late last year so that I could see how it actually worked for me.

Everyone likes simple comparisons, but after pixel peeping the eyes out of my head, the outcome wasn't simple. Their relative IQ depended on the settings. I think it would be true to say that my 18-55 was never better than my 16-55, but it would not be true to say that my 16-55 was always better than my 18-55 - there were a number of settings (middle to long end of the zoom range) where it was impossible to discern between the two.

I found the IQ of the 16-55 to be excellent in the wide half and to fall off a bit at the long end. It had noticeably better IQ than the 18-55 at wide apertures at wide FLs (18-23) . The advantages diminished as I either zoomed to longer FLs or as I stopped down. Nothing in it at f8. Nothing in it at the long end. FWIW, my 16-55 wasn't great wide open right at the end at 55/2.8. Both zooms were better at 55/4 and both zooms in turn were readily out-resolved by the 50/2 and 60/2.4.

There were other factors that may or may not matter to individual photographers. The 16-55 doesn't offer stabilization - a moot point if you have IBIS. It doesn't play nicely with close-up accessories - tubes and CU lenses. It takes much bigger and dearer filters. And it's a heavy lens in the mirror-less genre - if you've been using a very light tripod, you may need to upgrade.

I re-sold the 16-55. I wasn't concerned about its weight in the kit - it's lighter than some prime combos I carry - but I disliked the size, weight and balance on-camera. I just prefer smaller lenses, and decided to keep using my primes. For me a 16-55 kit would still need me to carry a faster tele and/or a macro anyway. I've kept the 18-55 for 'grab and go', social and travel duties - I prefer the size and like OIS, and I know its strengths and foibles.

Don't know if any of that helps.

Cheers, Rod
 
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Thanks for a very informative review and write up. Really liked your approach of buying all three mid range zooms - buying second hand is astute as you'll lose little if any money, testing them, assessing them and selecting one (or two) to keep and meet you requirements.

My experience is only with the 18-55 and 16-55, not the 16-80. When the 16-80 came to market in Autumn 2019, I actually went to buy it, but walked out of the shop in London with a 16-55, which due to cashback and a dealer discount at the time was cheaper! I never had any doubt about the 16-55's IQ and this has been reinforced in my mind through extensive use of it since.

On my monitor, I think the 18-55 image you show has more clarity than that of the 16-80 one; if 3D can be defined it has a more 3D like effect than the shot using the 16-80. I do agree, they are close.

I have never really understood such terms as too digital, metallic, etc, which are undefined and subjective and likely to confuse rather than clarify. In the 16-55 shot of the boat store, what does metallic rendering mean?

For my use, I use the 18-55 a lot for family outings, mostly on a XE4, and the 16-55 for hiking, mostly on a XT4.

Thanks for your post.
 
Strange.. I prefer your first image from the 18-55 also. And the one from the 16-55 is nice - gotta love the output from that lens at the wide end, similar to what I would get from my Oly 12-40. Wish it had OIS - I have shaky hands.

For me I just love the IQ, light weight and compact size of 18-55, along with 14, 23/2 and 35/1.4. And the 14 and 18-55 share filter size 58mm. It all works for me.
 
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Apart from the zoom range, the 16-80 is better in all other areas.
 
Apart from the zoom range, the 16-80 is better in all other areas.
An opinion that others may wish to discuss. Happy to sit down over a beer with images to chat it through. Pity the Zoom does not offer real ale!
 
He he, for that we need some Minolta beercan lenses :-)

I regard both as great travel lenses but I believe the 18-135 has more compromises in it than the 16-80. For a real one-lens-only travel solution, the former is a good option though.

Since the 16-80 is much newer, its OIS and AF are superior to the older lens. Optically, I really like the two extra mm on the wide end. The extra stop of light on the long end is a nice bonus too, albeit not groundbreaking better.

Here two 16-80 images I made that I like

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Well, it's a never ending debate :)

I have had the 18-55 for almost three years now. This spring, I went for the 16-55 on top, also because I had read so much praise here in the forum. Since then, I've almost exclusively used my 16-55, apart from my primes of course, and my 55-200.

Maybe one day I'll write a comparison of the 18-55 and the 16-55 - not sure yet. Because I am not sure yet about my opinion. Maybe one day I'll provide a blind test here in the forum :)

I absolutely love the 16-55, and as a matter of fact, it has never disappointed me. Its AF is super duper fast on my X-T20. But also with the 18-55, I obtained many great and sharp images. So the 16-55 is great, without any doubt. The images have a stunning rendering. Whether and in what situations it is really better than the 18-55, this is the big debate that will never end.

Maybe, in very rare cases, I got a little blur with the 18-55, don't know whether it was shutter shock or something different, or my own fault. Maybe the OIS elements are able to react a bit on the shutter vibration. But I cannot provoke this, and it is too rare an event to make a statement, it is more a speculation. I have never seen such a blur with my 16-55 up to date, but OTOH, I've had that one for a few months only.

Edit. There is one difference, at least: the 16-55 produces sunstars! The 18-55 not at all.

Kind regards,

Martin

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definitely have tried all lenses but at separate times so I've found your experience helpful.

for me, it's definitely between the 16-80 and 16-55. currently using the 16-55, and went through 2 poor copies of the 16-80. if I come across a solid 16-80, it could convince me to dump my 16-55.
 
Well, it's a never ending debate :)
It is!
I absolutely love the 16-55, and as a matter of fact, it has never disappointed me. Its AF is super duper fast on my X-T20.

Martin
I took mine to polo match recently and it nailed focus pretty well on very shot. Yes, these two examples are not as demanding on AF as a subject coming directly towards (or away from) the camera, but it nailed them too.

I was after this type of pose: horse at the gallop in full suspension, ball about to be hit (which it was)..
I was after this type of pose: horse at the gallop in full suspension, ball about to be hit (which it was)..

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Great shot!

Cheers, Rod
 
Thanks for your comparison write up; it was really helpful.

I'm a beginner and I just recently purchased the X-T4 and I only got the body because I was aiming to get the 16-55. Then multiple people were suggesting the 16-80. I'd my mainly be taking pictures of my kids but I would also like to do some landscape and street.

So, I've been doing a lot of research and a lot of people praise the 16-80. And some people really slam the corners (which really doesn't matter much to me). But, I've been looking at sample images and I swear that the 16-55 looks better than the 16-80.

So, I'm kind of stuck. The 16-55 is twice as much as the 16-80 and the extra reach would be nice when out with the kids. And with the price of the 16-80 I could also get a nice prime for darker situations.

Thanks again for the post and any additional information would be great.
 
Thanks for your comparison write up; it was really helpful.

I'm a beginner and I just recently purchased the X-T4 and I only got the body because I was aiming to get the 16-55. Then multiple people were suggesting the 16-80. I'd my mainly be taking pictures of my kids but I would also like to do some landscape and street.

So, I've been doing a lot of research and a lot of people praise the 16-80. And some people really slam the corners (which really doesn't matter much to me). But, I've been looking at sample images and I swear that the 16-55 looks better than the 16-80.

So, I'm kind of stuck. The 16-55 is twice as much as the 16-80 and the extra reach would be nice when out with the kids. And with the price of the 16-80 I could also get a nice prime for darker situations.

Thanks again for the post and any additional information would be great.
I'm glad this was helpful, and I empathize with your dilemma. I think your eyes are telling you that the IQ on the 16-55 is better because it often is. Not always—not in every situation—but there will be times and focal lengths when the bigger lens really shines.

Still, I think I'd go for the 16-80 and a prime or two. One of my biggest discoveries from doing this comparison is that, for photos of people, a fast aperture is profoundly useful. It's certainly true that f4 is fine for a great many shots, especially of static subjects, since you can use OIS. But inside, or in challenging light, you will find it much easier to get good photos of moving subjects if you have a fast prime. f2.8 is, for me, just on the margin. Fine for street photography at dusk or after—but not ideal for a portrait of a family member.

I'd start with one of the zooms—the cheaper 16-80 is probably fine—find out where your preferences lie in terms of field of view, and then get one of the f2 or even better f1.4 prime lenses for portraits and family photos.
 
Thank you for your detailed review. I think the three lenses could be simply summed up like this:

16-55mm f/2.8 - The best image quality

16-80mm f/4.0 - The best versatility

18-55mm ft2.8-4.0 - The best size

In the overlapping range, I have not seen any significant image quality differences between my copies of the 18-55mm and 16-80mm.
 
Thanks again for the info. The 16-55 is more attractive because of the ability to shoot in low light and the slightly better iq. Still going to think about it. You’re right though, if I was planning on traveling a lot or I did a good amount of hiking the 16-80 would be best.



Thanks
 

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