Canon EOS R

Mike Engles · Mar 9, 2021

I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

Phil and Karen · Mar 9, 2021

Hi Mike,

Mike Engles said:
I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Yes.

Mike Engles said:
Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

I can't comment about bathroom refurbishment, but would instead point you to this thread about the 5DIV vs the R on the EOS-1D / 5D / 6D Talk Forum (which I contributed to).

Personally, I preferred to use my R rather than my 5DIV (unless I was shooting fast action).

Phil

Alastair Norcross · Mar 9, 2021

Mike Engles said:
I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

Image quality of the R is identical with the 5DIV (same sensor). I only tried the 5DIV a couple of times, but had the 7DII for six years, which has a very similar AF system, in some ways better than the 5DIV (more cross-type points, wider coverage). The R’s AF is better in every way. If image quality and AF are what you’re interested in, I think the R is a much better upgrade over the 5DIII than is the 5DIV. The 5DIV has a slightly faster burst speed (7fps versus 5fps), and two card slots. Those are the only advantages I can see, whereas the R has a huge AF advantage. I know some professionals really value two card slots. I’m not a pro, and never used the dual slots on my 7DII for backup. I had them set up to switch when one filled up. With my R, I have a 128gb card, which holds a bazillion RAW files, or a gajillion JPEGs.

Give your son a new bathroom.

jwilliams · Mar 9, 2021

Mike Engles said:
I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

I'd take an R with an adapter for shooting EF lenses over a 5D IV with one caveat noted below. If nothing else it gives you access to EF, EFS and RF lenses vs just EF.

The only caveat with using EF lenses on any R camera is that if the lens has IS, and it is switched on, the IS runs all the time vs just at half press like on a DSLR. With some lenses that have noisy IS this can get rather annoying. Older lenses are generally the worst with newer ones generally having much quieter IS systems. All RF lenses with IS are for all practical purposes silent.

R5 certainly is a better camera than the R, but as noted much more $.

Really there are 2 main points the R5 (don't own one) has over the R (which I do own). The biggest in my opinion is the IBIS. If you shoot stabilized zooms primarily this might not be a big deal. I'm living without IS but would like to have it occasionally on some primes. The second is of course the extra resolution, but from a practical point it's not as big a deal as one might think. Unless you do a lot of very heavy cropping and/or print very large I doubt one will ever see any IQ differences. The thumb nubbin AF control on the R5 is also nice to have.

The R is the most bang for the buck in the RF system at he moment. I'm sure at some point I'll add either a R5 or R6 mainly for the IBIs, but I'll wait until I can get one of them at much lower price than they sell for currently. No hurry for me.

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Thomas A Anderson · Mar 9, 2021

Mike Engles said:
I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

Using EF lenses on the R5 isn't a bad idea, but considering what the IBIS can do with RF lenses I'm not sure that you'd want to stick with EF exclusively for very long.

Mike Engles said:
I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

And as someone else noted EF IS systems stay activated the entire time you're shooting unless you manually deactivate the lens switch.

Mike Engles said:
Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

As I recall they are roughly the same. It is a slightly modified 5DIV sensor, which is the reason I jumped on the R pretty quickly. I didn't want a 6DII sensor in the RP and the R6 and R5 don't cover the 30MP sweet spot nor the extremely reasonable price that the R is at right now.

The only thing that bugs me about the R is the placement of the exposure lock button. I wish it was where my thumb naturally rests, but it just takes some getting used to.

Mike Engles said:
I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

Yeah, I don't see the need for the R5 unless you just have to have the DPAF II, IBIS, video, or the extra resolution. I personally wouldn't pay more than twice the price for all those things. Maybe in four or five years when there's an R7 with all those things I'll spend a couple of grand on an upgrade, but right now the R5 is a flagship and if the price is any indication they are very proud of it.

Mike Engles said:
£2000 better spent?.

MDE

Rock and Rollei · Mar 9, 2021

I use a 5D IV alongside an R. (I also have a 5DS R, which is basically the 5D III with the bigger sensor). Both cameras are hugely more usable than the III/S R because they both have a great touchscreen interfece, and great DPAF autofocus - but only in Live View for the DSLR. Quality is as near as makes no odds identical. I use them side by side, but the R focuses my EF f1.2 L lenses more quickly and more accurately.
For sport, the R stays at home. Apart from that, they're both great options.

Mike Engles · Mar 9, 2021

Thomas A Anderson said:
Mike Engles said:

I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

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Using EF lenses on the R5 isn't a bad idea, but considering what the IBIS can do with RF lenses I'm not sure that you'd want to stick with EF exclusively for very long.

Thomas A Anderson said:

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Click to expand...

And as someone else noted EF IS systems stay activated the entire time you're shooting unless you manually deactivate the lens switch.

Thomas A Anderson said:

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

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As I recall they are roughly the same. It is a slightly modified 5DIV sensor, which is the reason I jumped on the R pretty quickly. I didn't want a 6DII sensor in the RP and the R6 and R5 don't cover the 30MP sweet spot nor the extremely reasonable price that the R is at right now.

The only thing that bugs me about the R is the placement of the exposure lock button. I wish it was where my thumb naturally rests, but it just takes some getting used to.

Thomas A Anderson said:

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

Click to expand...

Yeah, I don't see the need for the R5 unless you just have to have the DPAF II, IBIS, video, or the extra resolution. I personally wouldn't pay more than twice the price for all those things. Maybe in four or five years when there's an R7 with all those things I'll spend a couple of grand on an upgrade, but right now the R5 is a flagship and if the price is any indication they are very proud of it.

Thomas A Anderson said:

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

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Thanks for all the helpful and generous replies.

I have to say that I should have done some more homework than I did and would have known that the R had no IBIS

As I am not as steady as I was, I was hoping the R had IBIS, for doing macro. I have a 100mm macro, which does not have any stabiliser. I would be happy with 30mp so I could use it with a 1.4 adaptor on my 100-400, again with IBIS, to steady the old hands and get some more resolution.

I am not quite sure what is meant by the IS in EF lenses being always on, even when no AF button is pressed. This must use a lot of battery and would soon wear out the IS motors. Does the lens in servo, just continually rattle away, unless the camera is sleeping, or the IS is turned off? Is there some other meaning ?

If the IS worked as on a 5D3 and a 5D4, then the R does seem a good way to go

Thanks again

thunder storm · Mar 9, 2021

Mike Engles said:
I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality

basically the same

Mike Engles said:
and AF performance.

Tell us what you shoot and what lenses you have or are planning to get.

Mike Engles said:
I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

Again, asking questions is useless without any info about your shooting

Sittatunga · Mar 9, 2021

Mike Engles said:
Thomas A Anderson said:

Mike Engles said:

I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

Click to expand...

Using EF lenses on the R5 isn't a bad idea, but considering what the IBIS can do with RF lenses I'm not sure that you'd want to stick with EF exclusively for very long.

Mike Engles said:

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Click to expand...

And as someone else noted EF IS systems stay activated the entire time you're shooting unless you manually deactivate the lens switch.

Mike Engles said:

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

Click to expand...

As I recall they are roughly the same. It is a slightly modified 5DIV sensor, which is the reason I jumped on the R pretty quickly. I didn't want a 6DII sensor in the RP and the R6 and R5 don't cover the 30MP sweet spot nor the extremely reasonable price that the R is at right now.

The only thing that bugs me about the R is the placement of the exposure lock button. I wish it was where my thumb naturally rests, but it just takes some getting used to.

Mike Engles said:

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

Click to expand...

Yeah, I don't see the need for the R5 unless you just have to have the DPAF II, IBIS, video, or the extra resolution. I personally wouldn't pay more than twice the price for all those things. Maybe in four or five years when there's an R7 with all those things I'll spend a couple of grand on an upgrade, but right now the R5 is a flagship and if the price is any indication they are very proud of it.

Mike Engles said:

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

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Thanks for all the helpful and generous replies.

I have to say that I should have done some more homework than I did and would have known that the R had no IBIS

As I am not as steady as I was, I was hoping the R had IBIS, for doing macro. I have a 100mm macro, which does not have any stabiliser. I would be happy with 30mp so I could use it with a 1.4 adaptor on my 100-400, again with IBIS, to steady the old hands and get some more resolution.

I am not quite sure what is meant by the IS in EF lenses being always on, even when no AF button is pressed. This must use a lot of battery and would soon wear out the IS motors. Does the lens in servo, just continually rattle away, unless the camera is sleeping, or the IS is turned off? Is there some other meaning ?

If the IS worked as on a 5D3 and a 5D4, then the R does seem a good way to go

Thanks again

The lens IS is always on when it's switched on at the lens while the viewfinder (EVF or rear screen) is working, in order to give a stabilised view. This happens with all Canon mirrorless cameras. I believe the IS on RF lenses doesn't even park itself when it's switched off. The refresh rate of the viewfinder can make an unstabilised view upsetting, particularly with long lenses and eco mode, as it can't be as smooth as an optical viewfinder. It doesn't bother me as my Canon EF taught me long ago to switch off cameras when I wasn't actually taking pictures and this was reinforced by early digital compact cameras giving up to 50 pictures on a set of batteries. The stabilising elements of lenses are usually quite small, so I think IS consumes less power than the viewfinder display.

Repeatedly switching motors on and off also reduces their lifespan.

Alastair Norcross · Mar 9, 2021

Mike Engles said:
Thomas A Anderson said:

Mike Engles said:

I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

Click to expand...

Using EF lenses on the R5 isn't a bad idea, but considering what the IBIS can do with RF lenses I'm not sure that you'd want to stick with EF exclusively for very long.

Mike Engles said:

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Click to expand...

And as someone else noted EF IS systems stay activated the entire time you're shooting unless you manually deactivate the lens switch.

Mike Engles said:

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

Click to expand...

As I recall they are roughly the same. It is a slightly modified 5DIV sensor, which is the reason I jumped on the R pretty quickly. I didn't want a 6DII sensor in the RP and the R6 and R5 don't cover the 30MP sweet spot nor the extremely reasonable price that the R is at right now.

The only thing that bugs me about the R is the placement of the exposure lock button. I wish it was where my thumb naturally rests, but it just takes some getting used to.

Mike Engles said:

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

Click to expand...

Yeah, I don't see the need for the R5 unless you just have to have the DPAF II, IBIS, video, or the extra resolution. I personally wouldn't pay more than twice the price for all those things. Maybe in four or five years when there's an R7 with all those things I'll spend a couple of grand on an upgrade, but right now the R5 is a flagship and if the price is any indication they are very proud of it.

Mike Engles said:

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

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Thanks for all the helpful and generous replies.

I have to say that I should have done some more homework than I did and would have known that the R had no IBIS

As I am not as steady as I was, I was hoping the R had IBIS, for doing macro. I have a 100mm macro, which does not have any stabiliser. I would be happy with 30mp so I could use it with a 1.4 adaptor on my 100-400, again with IBIS, to steady the old hands and get some more resolution.

I am not quite sure what is meant by the IS in EF lenses being always on, even when no AF button is pressed. This must use a lot of battery and would soon wear out the IS motors. Does the lens in servo, just continually rattle away, unless the camera is sleeping, or the IS is turned off? Is there some other meaning ?

All Canon mirrorless cameras are like this. I've had M's for many years, and the R now for over two months. I've never noticed any problem with the IS being on all the time. As for battery usage, it's negligible.

Mike Engles said:
If the IS worked as on a 5D3 and a 5D4, then the R does seem a good way to go

Thanks again

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drsnoopy · Mar 9, 2021

I have the 5d4 (for 3 years, and very familiar with it) with many EF lenses, and had a 6d2 as a second body. I recently replaced the 6d2 with an R body. As I'm already familiar with the 5d4 sensor, I expected the same IQ from the R - but in truth, the R is better. Less noise, and a smoother image at all ISOs. Also I find the control layout better on the R, with the exception of it lacking the joystick. I find I prefer the R for everything except high frame rate (wildlife) which is compensated for by the AF being SO much better than the 5d4.

The EVF is not as good as the optical viewfinder in bright light, but conversely the EVF is much better in low light, and you can see all the settings.

I think the R is a bargain at the moment ( I was fortunate to get it with double cashback before Christmas) - but don't forget you will need the EF-RF adapter for your lenses.

Mike Engles · Mar 9, 2021

drsnoopy said:
I have the 5d4 (for 3 years, and very familiar with it) with many EF lenses, and had a 6d2 as a second body. I recently replaced the 6d2 with an R body. As I'm already familiar with the 5d4 sensor, I expected the same IQ from the R - but in truth, the R is better. Less noise, and a smoother image at all ISOs. Also I find the control layout better on the R, with the exception of it lacking the joystick. I find I prefer the R for everything except high frame rate (wildlife) which is compensated for by the AF being SO much better than the 5d4.

The EVF is not as good as the optical viewfinder in bright light, but conversely the EVF is much better in low light, and you can see all the settings.

I think the R is a bargain at the moment ( I was fortunate to get it with double cashback before Christmas) - but don't forget you will need the EF-RF adapter for your lenses.

So the stabilisation gyros are 'whirring' all the time and not just when AF on a point is invoked, as with a standard Canon DSLR, by half pressing the shutter button or deploying the back AF button. I really cannot understand why? A 5D3 in live view does not do that and a R camera is just in permanent live view.

I do accept what you an others say, but the reason really puzzles.

MDE

Thomas A Anderson · Mar 9, 2021

Mike Engles said:
Thomas A Anderson said:

Mike Engles said:

I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

Click to expand...

Using EF lenses on the R5 isn't a bad idea, but considering what the IBIS can do with RF lenses I'm not sure that you'd want to stick with EF exclusively for very long.

Mike Engles said:

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Click to expand...

And as someone else noted EF IS systems stay activated the entire time you're shooting unless you manually deactivate the lens switch.

Mike Engles said:

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

Click to expand...

As I recall they are roughly the same. It is a slightly modified 5DIV sensor, which is the reason I jumped on the R pretty quickly. I didn't want a 6DII sensor in the RP and the R6 and R5 don't cover the 30MP sweet spot nor the extremely reasonable price that the R is at right now.

The only thing that bugs me about the R is the placement of the exposure lock button. I wish it was where my thumb naturally rests, but it just takes some getting used to.

Mike Engles said:

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

Click to expand...

Yeah, I don't see the need for the R5 unless you just have to have the DPAF II, IBIS, video, or the extra resolution. I personally wouldn't pay more than twice the price for all those things. Maybe in four or five years when there's an R7 with all those things I'll spend a couple of grand on an upgrade, but right now the R5 is a flagship and if the price is any indication they are very proud of it.

Mike Engles said:

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

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Thanks for all the helpful and generous replies.

I have to say that I should have done some more homework than I did and would have known that the R had no IBIS

As I am not as steady as I was, I was hoping the R had IBIS, for doing macro.

I've got the EF 100 f/4 IS Macro and even with IS you're going to need a whole lot of light especially if you want to stop the lens down just a little to get something more than 1/10th of a millimeter DoF. I'm afraid good macro either requires very good light or a tripod and preferably both. No doubt IBIS coupled with an RF IS lens would still be very handy in many macro situations.

Mike Engles said:
I have a 100mm macro, which does not have any stabilizer. I would be happy with 30mp so I could use it with a 1.4 adaptor on my 100-400, again with IBIS, to steady the old hands and get some more resolution.

I am not quite sure what is meant by the IS in EF lenses being always on, even when no AF button is pressed.

For some reason there is no option to set the R to activate the IS for capture only. Probably because you're reliant on the EVF or screen they've decided that if your lens IS switch is turned on then the camera will constantly power the IS. I wish we could at least have the option to switch IS to a capture-only mode. Oh well.

Mike Engles said:
This must use a lot of battery and would soon wear out the IS motors.

I'm pretty sure IS motors are difficult to wear out, but it doesn't seem like it's all that necessary.

Mike Engles said:
Does the lens in servo, just continually rattle away, unless the camera is sleeping, or the IS is turned off? Is there some other meaning ?

Yeah, you either have to manually switch the lens IS to off or turn the camera off/sleep. If the EVF or touchscreen is on, so is your IS (maybe even if you deactivate both while doing a long time lapse, but in that case you'd want to switch the lens IS off anyway).

Mike Engles said:
If the IS worked as on a 5D3 and a 5D4, then the R does seem a good way to go

Thanks again

Good luck! I really enjoy my R and wish the last year of my life could have involved a few more vacations (currently at a big fat zero) to use it!

Eddie Rizk · Mar 9, 2021

Mike Engles said:
I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

All of mine work perfectly on the R.

Mike Engles said:
Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I think so. The 5Div is possibly better at fast action. The R will be better at everything else.

Mike Engles said:
I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

It’s too much for me for now. There are lenses that I would rather have.

Mike Engles said:
£2000 better spent?.

MDE

As an old real estate guy, I can tell you that you always get your money out of updating bathrooms and kitchens. Everything else is questionable. Pools and room additions are always losers.

Mike Engles · Mar 9, 2021

Eddie Rizk said:
Mike Engles said:

I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Click to expand...

All of mine work perfectly on the R.

Eddie Rizk said:

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

Click to expand...

I think so. The 5Div is possibly better at fast action. The R will be better at everything else.

Eddie Rizk said:

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

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It’s too much for me for now. There are lenses that I would rather have.

Eddie Rizk said:

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

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As an old real estate guy, I can tell you that you always get your money out of updating bathrooms and kitchens. Everything else is questionable. Pools and room additions are always losers.

They bought a house last year and have a new daughter, making 2020 a tremendous year for us at least. Now the house needs a lot of work, having stood still for30 years. A lot of money needs to be spent! They will be there for some time.

As for the R, if it had IBIS, I would not hesitate.

More paralysis of indecision.

All the best

MDE

Eddie Rizk · Mar 9, 2021

Mike Engles said:
Eddie Rizk said:

Mike Engles said:

I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Click to expand...

All of mine work perfectly on the R.

Mike Engles said:

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

Click to expand...

I think so. The 5Div is possibly better at fast action. The R will be better at everything else.

Mike Engles said:

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

Click to expand...

It’s too much for me for now. There are lenses that I would rather have.

Mike Engles said:

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

Click to expand...

As an old real estate guy, I can tell you that you always get your money out of updating bathrooms and kitchens. Everything else is questionable. Pools and room additions are always losers.

Click to expand...

They bought a house last year and have a new daughter, making 2020 a tremendous year for us at least. Now the house needs a lot of work, having stood still for30 years. A lot of money needs to be spent! They will be there for some time.

As for the R, if it had IBIS, I would not hesitate.

More paralysis of indecision.

All the best

MDE

As another poster mentioned, for macro, you can get a good heavy tripod for less than the difference in price between the two cameras.

Used prices on the EF 100 F2.8L IS macro are down as well.

Mike Engles · Mar 10, 2021

Eddie Rizk said:
Mike Engles said:

Eddie Rizk said:

Mike Engles said:

I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Click to expand...

All of mine work perfectly on the R.

Eddie Rizk said:

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

Click to expand...

I think so. The 5Div is possibly better at fast action. The R will be better at everything else.

Eddie Rizk said:

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

Click to expand...

It’s too much for me for now. There are lenses that I would rather have.

Eddie Rizk said:

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

Click to expand...

As an old real estate guy, I can tell you that you always get your money out of updating bathrooms and kitchens. Everything else is questionable. Pools and room additions are always losers.

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They bought a house last year and have a new daughter, making 2020 a tremendous year for us at least. Now the house needs a lot of work, having stood still for30 years. A lot of money needs to be spent! They will be there for some time.

As for the R, if it had IBIS, I would not hesitate.

More paralysis of indecision.

All the best

MDE

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As another poster mentioned, for macro, you can get a good heavy tripod for less than the difference in price between the two cameras.

Used prices on the EF 100 F2.8L IS macro are down as well.

Thanks for the advice.I do have a heavy Benbo, with a large ball head, Had it for 35 years.Much too big and heavy for me now.That is why I would have liked to have IBIS. I tend to do hand held and available light,sometimes flash, mainly bees and flowers. Long ago I did dragonflies on film with Olympus stuff and TTL flash. Impossible to use a tripod for those, at least I found it so. I could invest in the newer macro with IS. Mine is the older 100 2.8 non IS

I also do small birds, mainly in the garden, so again IBIS would be useful, with my MK1 100-400, as I plan to get a 1.4 extender.

It does worry me that the IS is always on, as my IS lenses are quite old and were not really designed to be 'whirring' all the time

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Nothing really amazing, but like them.

All the best

shawnphoto · Mar 10, 2021

Mike Engles said:
I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

The R is a perfectly fine camera. However, it is no 5D III or 5D IV for that matter. If all you care about is image quality and AF, the R is definitely in the same league as those other cameras. However, the R's shutter is so amazingly loud in full mechanical mode... if you are in a quiet space the R's mechanical shutter is frankly absurd. Any 5 series camera is much, much quieter. Now I am used to the R5, it is by relative volume almost silent. 99% of the time I used the R I used it with EFCS due to that loud shutter. It's the one thing about the R that is a little unseemly and perhaps not representative of the price tag. It manages to be louder than the 6D II, and the 6D II is flipping a mirror and a shutter!

Other things about the R I hated, well, people talk about the R5 having bugs... The R was worse. I had it quit working in the middle of a shoot at least half a dozen times. Sometimes a power cycle fixed it, sometimes I had to remove and reattach the lens, sometimes I had to remove the battery. Then later it started to have problems with the battery grip. Maybe it was my fault using an RF 28-70 and hanging it on a holster by the tripod mount but regardless of the causes the fact is it started to have issues staying connected to the battery grip.

On top of it all, the R also had some odd exposure issues. It probably had something to do with the EFCS but regardless it would randomly start exposing the edge of the frame a little brighter. A power cycle would fix it, if I caught it while shooting. Unfortunately I missed it a number of times that it started happening.

The R also seems much more sensitive to the lens choice. With RF glass it was great but with some other lenses it was a little janky. It needs to have a really tight image on the sensor compared to the R5 which seems to do better with less contrasty lenses.

If I was trying to decide between R and R5 no question I would get the R5 100 times out of 100.

Mike Engles · Mar 10, 2021

shawnphoto said:
Mike Engles said:

I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

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The R is a perfectly fine camera. However, it is no 5D III or 5D IV for that matter. If all you care about is image quality and AF, the R is definitely in the same league as those other cameras. However, the R's shutter is so amazingly loud in full mechanical mode... if you are in a quiet space the R's mechanical shutter is frankly absurd. Any 5 series camera is much, much quieter. Now I am used to the R5, it is by relative volume almost silent. 99% of the time I used the R I used it with EFCS due to that loud shutter. It's the one thing about the R that is a little unseemly and perhaps not representative of the price tag. It manages to be louder than the 6D II, and the 6D II is flipping a mirror and a shutter!

Other things about the R I hated, well, people talk about the R5 having bugs... The R was worse. I had it quit working in the middle of a shoot at least half a dozen times. Sometimes a power cycle fixed it, sometimes I had to remove and reattach the lens, sometimes I had to remove the battery. Then later it started to have problems with the battery grip. Maybe it was my fault using an RF 28-70 and hanging it on a holster by the tripod mount but regardless of the causes the fact is it started to have issues staying connected to the battery grip.

On top of it all, the R also had some odd exposure issues. It probably had something to do with the EFCS but regardless it would randomly start exposing the edge of the frame a little brighter. A power cycle would fix it, if I caught it while shooting. Unfortunately I missed it a number of times that it started happening.

The R also seems much more sensitive to the lens choice. With RF glass it was great but with some other lenses it was a little janky. It needs to have a really tight image on the sensor compared to the R5 which seems to do better with less contrasty lenses.

If I was trying to decide between R and R5 no question I would get the R5 100 times out of 100.

Thanks for the reply and a illustration of the problems you have had.

It has to be said that compared to other opinions, yours is unique, but I do respect it. I am going to have to actually go to a shop, when COVID is done,actually hold these cameras, attach my lenses and take a few test pictures.

Of course I will need a test memory card, another minefield .

I am still attracted to the 5D4, but it will be familiar, whereas learning a totally new camera, would be good for my brain. R5 too expensive too many pixels, R6 not to expensive, too few pixels, R and 5D4 good number of pixels, not too expensive but... perhaps wait for a R2. or something of that ilk with a good number of pixels and affordability.

Many thanks and all the best

Thomas A Anderson · Mar 10, 2021

Mike Engles said:
shawnphoto said:

Mike Engles said:

I have an ongoing thread on the Canon EOS 5 as a next purchase, used with a adaptor and EF lenses.

I assume the same pretty well all criteria in terms compatibility with

EF lenses are the same for the R5 and the R.

Any opinions on the comparison between the EOS R and the 5D4, in terms of image quality and AF performance.

I have no great interest in video, beyond the most basic.

Would the R be a worthy replacement for a 5D3 over a 5D4?

I really do baulk at paying the R5 price., I'd rather give the difference in price to my son and his partner to have their bathroom redone.

£2000 better spent?.

MDE

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The R is a perfectly fine camera. However, it is no 5D III or 5D IV for that matter. If all you care about is image quality and AF, the R is definitely in the same league as those other cameras. However, the R's shutter is so amazingly loud in full mechanical mode... if you are in a quiet space the R's mechanical shutter is frankly absurd.

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This is a strange claim. Neither camera is great if you have to be dead silent. The R doesn't seem any louder than a 5DIV to me.

Mike Engles said:
Mike Engles said:

Any 5 series camera is much, much quieter. Now I am used to the R5, it is by relative volume almost silent. 99% of the time I used the R I used it with EFCS due to that loud shutter. It's the one thing about the R that is a little unseemly and perhaps not representative of the price tag. It manages to be louder than the 6D II, and the 6D II is flipping a mirror and a shutter!

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I wonder if you're using a tiny, cheap lens that doesn't do any muffling whatsoever.

Mike Engles said:
Mike Engles said:

Other things about the R I hated, well, people talk about the R5 having bugs... The R was worse. I had it quit working in the middle of a shoot at least half a dozen times.

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Sounds like you got a bad unit. I've never had that issue.

Mike Engles said:
Mike Engles said:

Sometimes a power cycle fixed it, sometimes I had to remove and reattach the lens, sometimes I had to remove the battery. Then later it started to have problems with the battery grip. Maybe it was my fault using an RF 28-70 and hanging it on a holster by the tripod mount but regardless of the causes the fact is it started to have issues staying connected to the battery grip.

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Weird.

Mike Engles said:
Mike Engles said:

On top of it all, the R also had some odd exposure issues. It probably had something to do with the EFCS but regardless it would randomly start exposing the edge of the frame a little brighter.

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If you are in an artificial light situation flicker can be unavoidable.

Mike Engles said:
Mike Engles said:

A power cycle would fix it, if I caught it while shooting. Unfortunately I missed it a number of times that it started happening.

The R also seems much more sensitive to the lens choice. With RF glass it was great but with some other lenses it was a little janky. It needs to have a really tight image on the sensor compared to the R5 which seems to do better with less contrasty lenses.

If I was trying to decide between R and R5 no question I would get the R5 100 times out of 100.

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Yeah. Sure. If someone has enough money to buy anything, the R5 is obviously a better camera. It sounds like he got a defective R. Mine has been great.

Mike Engles said:
Thanks for the reply and a illustration of the problems you have had.

It has to be said that compared to other opinions, yours is unique, but I do respect it. I am going to have to actually go to a shop, when COVID is done,actually hold these cameras, attach my lenses and take a few test pictures.

That's really the fastest way to instantly mark bodies off of the list. Some are just not comfortable to hold.

Mike Engles said:
Of course I will need a test memory card, another minefield .

I am still attracted to the 5D4, but it will be familiar, whereas learning a totally new camera, would be good for my brain. R5 too expensive too many pixels, R6 not to expensive, too few pixels, R and 5D4 good number of pixels, not too expensive but... perhaps wait for a R2. or something of that ilk with a good number of pixels and affordability.

Many thanks and all the best

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