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deednets · Feb 27, 2021

Pentax 77/1.8 in particular. Autofocus, F1.8 115mm (approx) full frame eqivalent ...

270 grams, 49mm filter???

Close enough in my book to the 105mm lenses of old, a touch more distance.

Ignore the camera bodies, but this lens - alongside those other Limited Edition lenses - I always found interesting.

How difficult can it be to create a similar lens? Similar size? Sure the 90/2.0 is 13mm (21 or so mm FF longer) but at what price?

Note that these lenses cover the full FF image circle!

Deed

biza43 · Feb 28, 2021

Yup, those Limited lenses are sweet.

harryhaller · Feb 28, 2021

Yep. The Pentax Limited series made made already envious, 15 years ago, when I was still shooting Nikon DX.
Great lenses, great build quality, great size - the perfect offer for Fujicron afficionados like me.

HH

yardcoyote · Feb 28, 2021

The 43mm Limited is my go to "normal" lens on my KP. Funky focal length on crop, but easy to learn, and such a good small lens.

Rod McD · Feb 28, 2021

Hi,

I used to own the 31/1.8 Ltd and the 70/2.4 Ltd not mentioned here (as against the 77/1.8). All excellent glass though they have some susceptibility to CAs.

I would like to see a small, non-macro Fuji 70-75mm, perhaps f2 (perhaps f2.4 to keep it small) in the Fuji range. Those of us who like small, light lenses have nothing longer than the 50/2. And wouldn't it be nice if it was OIS, WR and TC-compatible to give stabilization and more options in reach. I've never understood why Fuji didn't make the 50 and 90 TC-compatible, given that the TCs predated the lenses. Maybe the designs required the specific optics they chose - no real complaints : both are excellent lenses.

Regards, Rod

Schleiermacher · Feb 28, 2021

I just bought this lens about 3 weeks ago after pining for it for about 15 years, and it is stunning, especially on my Pentax full frame body. It’s an "old school" lens with loads of character and the colors are magical. Pentax just announced an updated version of it alongside the FA31/1.8 and 43/1.9. It’s so small too.

I have yet to adapt it onto my x-t20, but hope too at some point. Given how small it is even as a full-frame lens, I should think Fuji could match it’s size with an Aps-c lens and internal focusing motor.

matt

deednets said:
Pentax 77/1.8 in particular. Autofocus, F1.8 115mm (approx) full frame eqivalent ...

270 grams, 49mm filter???

Close enough in my book to the 105mm lenses of old, a touch more distance.

Ignore the camera bodies, but this lens - alongside those other Limited Edition lenses - I always found interesting.

How difficult can it be to create a similar lens? Similar size? Sure the 90/2.0 is 13mm (21 or so mm FF longer) but at what price?

Note that these lenses cover the full FF image circle!

Deed

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deednets · Feb 28, 2021

Rod McD said:
Hi,

I used to own the 31/1.8 Ltd and the 70/2.4 Ltd not mentioned here (as against the 77/1.8). All excellent glass though they have some susceptibility to CAs.

I would like to see a small, non-macro Fuji 70-75mm, perhaps f2 (perhaps f2.4 to keep it small) in the Fuji range. Those of us who like small, light lenses have nothing longer than the 50/2. And wouldn't it be nice if it was OIS, WR and TC-compatible to give stabilization and more options in reach. I've never understood why Fuji didn't make the 50 and 90 TC-compatible, given that the TCs predated the lenses. Maybe the designs required the specific optics they chose - no real complaints : both are excellent lenses.

Regards, Rod

Hi Rod.

The 77/1.8 is already quite small. In particular for a full frame lens. Not sure what weight or size gain might come from a slower design.

And: yes, the TC issue. Possibly in the too hard basket?

Deed

deednets · Feb 28, 2021

Schleiermacher said:
I just bought this lens about 3 weeks ago after pining for it for about 15 years, and it is stunning, especially on my Pentax full frame body. It’s an "old school" lens with loads of character and the colors are magical. Pentax just announced an updated version of it alongside the FA31/1.8 and 43/1.9. It’s so small too.

I have yet to adapt it onto my x-t20, but hope too at some point. Given how small it is even as a full-frame lens, I should think Fuji could match it’s size with an Aps-c lens and internal focusing motor.

matt

deednets said:

Pentax 77/1.8 in particular. Autofocus, F1.8 115mm (approx) full frame eqivalent ...

270 grams, 49mm filter???

Close enough in my book to the 105mm lenses of old, a touch more distance.

Ignore the camera bodies, but this lens - alongside those other Limited Edition lenses - I always found interesting.

How difficult can it be to create a similar lens? Similar size? Sure the 90/2.0 is 13mm (21 or so mm FF longer) but at what price?

Note that these lenses cover the full FF image circle!

Deed

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Tom Schum · Feb 28, 2021

deednets said:
Yes, makes you wonder how they managed to make those AF? Compared to that, the 90/2 is a monstrosity.

Deed

One way is that there is no focusing motor inside. It depends on a screw-drive connection in the lens mount. The focusing motor is inside the camera. I would expect autofocus to be very slow with this lens/camera system, compared to the lightning-quick autofocus most people are used to in Fuji land.

We are now seeing Sigma's smaller offerings such as this one:

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This lens has a focusing motor inside.

Soon, they might come to the Fuji X mount.

yardcoyote · Feb 28, 2021

Not so very slow. I am actually a big fan of the old screw drive Pentax lenses. The whole Pentax system is not action oriented, but full of deep goodness for anyone who shoots primarily static or predictable subjects-- it supports landscape, macro, environmental portrait, and walkaround beautifully. My KP is a great camera and so tough it makes my Fuji kit feel like blown glass. Plus it looks like a cross between a toad and a pagoda, which pleases me very much.

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Schleiermacher · Feb 28, 2021

Pentax’s screw-driven lenses are indeed slow compared to the lenses with focus motor in the lens. And I will say that the 77/1.8 is even slower than most of my other screw-driven Pentax lenses. But focusing speed is not a big priority for me. Many times I like to use manual focus anyway.

matt

Tom Schum · Feb 28, 2021

yardcoyote said:
Not so very slow. I am actually a big fan of the old screw drive Pentax lenses. The whole Pentax system is not action oriented, but full of deep goodness for anyone who shoots primarily static or predictable subjects-- it supports landscape, macro, environmental portrait, and walkaround beautifully. My KP is a great camera and so tough it makes my Fuji kit feel like blown glass. Plus it looks like a cross between a toad and a pagoda, which pleases me very much.

It's been nice how Pentax has handled interchangeability and retro compatibility so well. Lenses are available across the decades including the most modern lenses with internal focus motors.

As for me, I shoot mostly manual non electronic lenses on my Fujis. By many standards I am a throwback to the days of cave dwelling.

There is something indefinable about the older lens designs that makes the images better, at least for me.

boogisha · Feb 28, 2021

deednets said:
Pentax 77/1.8 in particular. Autofocus, F1.8 115mm (approx) full frame eqivalent ...

270 grams, 49mm filter???

Just lovely... and I would be thrilled if Fuji would be making something similar - even if fully manual only (to keep the size down as much as possible)! If doable, at least having a chip for EXIF communication would be a plus.

Krummj · Feb 28, 2021

I have the 77. Takes beautiful photos but a little difficult to manual focus on my Fuji. I used it for a headshot of my wife and it was super easy to get the focus slightly off, even using a tripod.

Tom Schum · Feb 28, 2021

Krummj said:
I have the 77. Takes beautiful photos but a little difficult to manual focus on my Fuji. I used it for a headshot of my wife and it was super easy to get the focus slightly off, even using a tripod.

What impresses me is that you can do this at all. That Pentax lens goes into a non-electronic adapter, and you can manually focus and manually set the aperture and actually use the lens. This is Pentax brilliance I think.

Fuji makes only a couple of manual focus lenses to fit x-mount. They are zooms for cine, and very expensive. I'd love to see a fully manual prime lens 35mm or longer from Fuji or even from Tamron or Sigma, but I guess manual lenses are "beneath them".

Meanwhile, third party non-electronic manuals are doing a good job for me.

mike lix · Mar 1, 2021

deednets said:
Pentax 77/1.8 in particular. Autofocus, F1.8 115mm (approx) full frame eqivalent ...

270 grams, 49mm filter???

Close enough in my book to the 105mm lenses of old, a touch more distance.

Ignore the camera bodies, but this lens - alongside those other Limited Edition lenses - I always found interesting.

How difficult can it be to create a similar lens? Similar size? Sure the 90/2.0 is 13mm (21 or so mm FF longer) but at what price?

Note that these lenses cover the full FF image circle!

Deed

I used to have the 77/1.8 right before the XF 90/2. There's not a comparison between these two lenses. Yes, the 77 has certain 'character' and it's not a bad lens, but that's about it. The 90 is simply far better in comparison.

Btw. some Fuji lenses also cover FF (it's deliberate to get rid of vignette and other imperfections). The 56/1.2 does cover FF actually and I'd bet the 90 does too.

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bowportes · Mar 1, 2021

Rod McD said:
Hi,

I used to own the 31/1.8 Ltd and the 70/2.4 Ltd not mentioned here (as against the 77/1.8). All excellent glass though they have some susceptibility to CAs.

I would like to see a small, non-macro Fuji 70-75mm, perhaps f2 (perhaps f2.4 to keep it small) in the Fuji range. Those of us who like small, light lenses have nothing longer than the 50/2.

The 60mm/2.4 is also very small (without the lens hood).

Rod McD said:
And wouldn't it be nice if it was OIS, WR and TC-compatible to give stabilization and more options in reach. I've never understood why Fuji didn't make the 50 and 90 TC-compatible, given that the TCs predated the lenses. Maybe the designs required the specific optics they chose - no real complaints : both are excellent lenses.

Regards, Rod

deednets · Mar 1, 2021

bowportes said:
Rod McD said:

Hi,

I used to own the 31/1.8 Ltd and the 70/2.4 Ltd not mentioned here (as against the 77/1.8). All excellent glass though they have some susceptibility to CAs.

I would like to see a small, non-macro Fuji 70-75mm, perhaps f2 (perhaps f2.4 to keep it small) in the Fuji range. Those of us who like small, light lenses have nothing longer than the 50/2.

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The 60mm/2.4 is also very small (without the lens hood).

bowportes said:

And wouldn't it be nice if it was OIS, WR and TC-compatible to give stabilization and more options in reach. I've never understood why Fuji didn't make the 50 and 90 TC-compatible, given that the TCs predated the lenses. Maybe the designs required the specific optics they chose - no real complaints : both are excellent lenses.

Regards, Rod

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I think the 60/2.4 is one of Rod's go-to standard lenses for exactly that reason, but must admit that I don't follow what and when people use what gear.

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