I'm cynincal - suggestion for Phil Askey

There I go again, jumping on someone when I should have thought about it...I agree with you and others. Maybe a change should take place. For example like one poster said is to set up galleries for all major brands. It probably would work however, I don't know how much costwise or bandwidth it would be for Phil to do that, but it was a good suggestion.

Hey no ill feelings...Melissa
MelissaM - you took my post the wrong way...as I said take these
comments with a grain of salt or tongue in cheek as another
analogy. I think I have posted everything that I listed and
continue to do so. I want and appreciate it when others do the
same - regardless of subject matter. We all learn frome these.

I guess what I was trying to say is - if some think we should ban
cat, children or squirrel photos then why not ban all photos. I am
sure some of the more artistic photographers here dont really see
much in some of my landscape images or others that are posted and
that is fine by me. To each his own.

If we did somehow convince people to stop posting images of their
kids or cats the forum would then dissolve into a Canon vs Nikon
forum as it was several months ago. Maybe this is what some want -
I dont know. Everybody arguing and nobody going out and actually
taking photos regardless of subject matter.

Most image posts end up in the technical realm when some of the
more experienced members add their two cents in the discussion so I
dont know why some feel we should pressure folks who want to show a
pic of their cat or kid.

I think we all need a group hug...

Sorry that you took my post the wrong way - I meant no ill feelings.

Dave

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most people spend $5000 on their Canon and Nikon SLR's just to take pictures of the family, pets, and back yard, so I think you are going to have to live with it.

I've always wonder if you can tell a $5000 camera set up when the resulting pictures are printed out as 4X7's at Walmart : )
 
LOL,

Jolly Roger, looks like you are new to this forum. A lot of people in this forum as you can see are very defensive when it comes to their photographic work. Because most members in this forum are not professional photographers, so you will see a lot of snapshots being posted. Although I dont shoot pics of children or pets, I am sure my snapshots o sites of NYC are also getting boring to some members.

Recommendation, ingore all picture posts and if you really want to see some outstanding digital photographs...............check out the following site

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com .
I propose a forum dedicated for all those sappy photographs of
family members, especially children, and cats.

Honestly, there's only so much I can take of children and cats.
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marilu. i never tire of shooting at the zoo, but sometimes it's hard to keep from getting into a rut. i love shooting the gorillas and the orangs. your shots have shown me that there are other ways to view. you just need to be patient and of course having your eye helps immensely. the hand of the orang and the antelope with the reflecting pool are both classic. i just received my zoo news and hate to say it, but their shots always seem so contrived. kind of, well, i have an assignment to shoot a koala, slip on the flash, get perfect exposure and super sharp. they're missing something and that something is you. keep posting. ron
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Marilu
I am happy to view " my first shot with my new D100 etc"
Many people are still making payments on their dslr gear.
They are proud of their first attempt.

Actually some of these first shots are excellant.

You never know who may become a very successful photographer.

Help them- don't hinder them.

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It's the originality and talent of the photographer that makes the photograph, not the subject.
I mean it’s
very subtle and a little embarrassing to me, but I really believe
there are things which no body would see unless I photographed them.
I believe so too. That is what an excellent photograph does . . . it makes other people see something that they might not have taken the time to see before. A recent photograph of mushrooms comes to mind, with absolutely stunning colors. I think it was by Illuminante (apologies to the real photographer if it wasn't). But that is exactly what I mean. I don't think there is any subject, broadly speaking, that is not capable of being looked at in a way that can make people stop and say, "Whoa!"
 
I don't think there is any subject, broadly speaking, that is not capable of being looked at in a way that can make people stop and say, "Whoa!"
I couldn’t agree more Jane; unfortunately the most difficult problem is to learn to see. All else is comparatively simple.
 
Why stifle this when you don't have to? Why not just create some guidelines that alert members like yourself that the images included in the post are of a certain nature.

Currently members indicate via the or [Pic] tags in a message header that images are part of the post. Why not just expand that a bit to include more detail [img child], [img cat], [pic sunset]. Make it a prefix so it's not lost at the end of the message. Duh.

You make it so black and white when it doesn't have to be and from your other posts in the forum I can tell you have zero compassion for those who cross your self-imposed rules.

Get real, it's a public forum. You don't like it? Go start your own.

[U] [I] oe [/I] [/U]
[QUOTE="Jolly Roger, post: 6464710, member: 186025"]
There are several members of this forum who are widely known for
publishing nothing but photographs of their children and their pets.

The problem with this is that it clutters up the forum with only
special interest subject matter that is interesting only to the
proud parent or pet owner.

Buildings, architecture, landscapes, models, professional sporting
events (not a stupid elementary soccer tournament of your kid), and
the like are appropiate because at least more forum members aside
from the parent poster show geniune interest.

I have no problem with viewing interesting and thought inspring
material.
[/QUOTE]
 
Here, in all his splendor, is Ricky the Raccoon Dog. His tail is a dead ringer for a raccoon tail, hence the name. During this impromptu photo session the tail was tucked out of sight. Sorry. My apologies to Jolly Roger, who like his pirate ancestors, never liked kids, cats, or dogs.



But, in his defense, I must point out that Ricky does like kids and cats (to chase), but not pirates.
I occasionally post images. Seldom of pets (our dog is homely,
looking like a cross between an Australian Sheep dog and a
raccoon),
LOL!!!! This animal we gotta see. Great description!

Jane
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From a personal level, I post photos here to get opinions of what works and what doesn't. While we are all gratified by the "wow!" and the "great shot!" responses, they do not provide a learning tool for improving our chosen art form. The common denominator is that we are all shooting with Nikon digital equipment. I personally like seeing the work that others post, even if to me, that particular subject is of little interest. In addition to analyzing what is good and what is bad about the photo (in my opinion), I gain insite into who the person that posts the image or comment is. I like to read the constructive comments others write in response, as I learn from that too. As for folks posting personal images that are less than what others would refer to as good photography, constructive criticism is the best feedback you could possibly give.

Forums, by their nature, evolve into a sort of virtual family. Established family members are more likely to get comments on their work, even if it is only average in comparison to some other efforts by those lesser known or of lesser status in the family. That's just the way it is. I do, however, think we could all do a better job of accepting (or ignoring) the posts of those subjects that we have no desire in viewing/reading without being critical of the subject matter. After all, the image/message is important to the poster or they wouldn't have taken the time to post it.

Bill
 
Thanks for posting the pic Bill - maybe a larger pic with more of his body ? To display him in all his splendor :) When I was a kid we had a little dog named Nicky, am not sure what his lineage was but dad lovingly called him a "Heinz 57" meaning a colorful mix - like the steak sauce :)

No matter how homely some pets are they do hold a special place in ones heart. Our dog could actually climb trees in pursuit of his nemeses the squirrel - he passed away after 15 long years.

Dave


But, in his defense, I must point out that Ricky does like kids and
cats (to chase), but not pirates.
I occasionally post images. Seldom of pets (our dog is homely,
looking like a cross between an Australian Sheep dog and a
raccoon),
LOL!!!! This animal we gotta see. Great description!

Jane
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Just for you, iLuminatae, another Ricky picture. Here he is permitted to retain some dignity, despite being pursued by the papparazzi for photographs. Still, he refuses to show the tell-tale raccoon tail.



Ricky was a forlorn shelter dog when we got him and moved him to the suburbs. The folks at the shelter were perplexed as to why such a truly lovable dog was brought there by his former owners. We soon found out. We live near an Army reserve firing range, and Ricky is anti-war, or at least anti-gun shooting. It makes him neurotic. We can barely hear it (so it took a while to diagnose the phobia), but he sure can hear it.

On one occasion he was outside when the shooting started, and he tore every screen off every downstairs window trying to get in the house. On another occasion he was inside when the mock firefight began at the shooting range, and he tore every beautiful wooden blind from every downstairs window. We were not amused on either occasion, to say the least.

Rather than offer him up as a test target to the Army reserves, we did the next most logical thing. We bought him a doggy door which allows him to escape in either direction from the military fusillade. Now he lives happily with full in-and-out privileges, and only very occasionally tears up something in a closet, but only when the Special Forces stage a major attack nearby.
Thanks for posting the pic Bill - maybe a larger pic with more of
his body ? To display him in all his splendor :) When I was a
kid we had a little dog named Nicky, am not sure what his lineage
was but dad lovingly called him a "Heinz 57" meaning a colorful mix
  • like the steak sauce :)
No matter how homely some pets are they do hold a special place in
ones heart. Our dog could actually climb trees in pursuit of his
nemeses the squirrel - he passed away after 15 long years.

Dave
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lmao - the story is too funny. You gave me a good chuckle on this drizzly day - thanks

Poor dog looks like he's tired of being pursued by the papparazzi :)

Dave


Ricky was a forlorn shelter dog when we got him and moved him to
the suburbs. The folks at the shelter were perplexed as to why
such a truly lovable dog was brought there by his former owners.
We soon found out. We live near an Army reserve firing range, and
Ricky is anti-war, or at least anti-gun shooting. It makes him
neurotic. We can barely hear it (so it took a while to diagnose
the phobia), but he sure can hear it.

On one occasion he was outside when the shooting started, and he
tore every screen off every downstairs window trying to get in the
house. On another occasion he was inside when the mock firefight
began at the shooting range, and he tore every beautiful wooden
blind from every downstairs window. We were not amused on either
occasion, to say the least.

Rather than offer him up as a test target to the Army reserves, we
did the next most logical thing. We bought him a doggy door which
allows him to escape in either direction from the military
fusillade. Now he lives happily with full in-and-out privileges,
and only very occasionally tears up something in a closet, but only
when the Special Forces stage a major attack nearby.
Thanks for posting the pic Bill - maybe a larger pic with more of
his body ? To display him in all his splendor :) When I was a
kid we had a little dog named Nicky, am not sure what his lineage
was but dad lovingly called him a "Heinz 57" meaning a colorful mix
  • like the steak sauce :)
No matter how homely some pets are they do hold a special place in
ones heart. Our dog could actually climb trees in pursuit of his
nemeses the squirrel - he passed away after 15 long years.

Dave
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http://www.pbase.com/iluminatae
 
Ron, Thanks again so very much. Your positive encouragement means a lot, and I am very appreciate of your words. I haven't been to a zoo with my D100 yet, and must go.

Marilu
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Marilu
I am happy to view " my first shot with my new D100 etc"
Many people are still making payments on their dslr gear.
They are proud of their first attempt.

Actually some of these first shots are excellant.

You never know who may become a very successful photographer.

Help them- don't hinder them.

Birger
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using my beautiful D1H (love that camera!!) in Africa and Asia with a great 80-400mm VR Nikkor, and a mouth-watering 17-35mm AF-S Nikkor. or a 24-120 AF Nikkor. I've taken (and continue to take) pictures of big and small Cats in Africa and Asia. And quite a lot of Dogs, too. Talking of dogs----have you ever seen a pack of Cape Hunting Dogs? They look awful, ragged, as if they've not been to the groomer for ages (!!), and they're not a very big dog (midsize) but MAN can those dogs hunt. We're not talking about English hounds, hundreds of them in a pack, and up to 50 horsemen, chasing one (yes! one) poor old fox to exhaustion, then tearing it to pieces while it is still alive for the "sport" of the County Hunt. A pack of Cape Hunting Dogs (25 to 35 in a pack) are rare (to be seen) and just one of them - (a puppy, you don't need a pack, would be kinda nice to have around when your neighbors Pit Bull is slobbering around his yard making your kids frightened) because that wild Cape Hunting puppy would put that Pit Bull in 'Bye 'Bye Land in 2 minutes flat. That same puppy would REALLY be a favorite of the anti-blood-sports crowd in England because that puppy would take out half the English hounds before their Masters had finished their pre-Game hot toddy. Cats and Dogs are NICE to have on this forum. One of these days when I've got part (or all) of my 25,000 transparencies digitized I'll start posting some real WILD doggies and kitties from back in the days when South Africa and East Africa Game Parks were TRUE wild animal reserves, and not the tourist money-making sham the African Governments have turned them in to nowadays.
Jolly Roger, looks like you are new to this forum. A lot of people
in this forum as you can see are very defensive when it comes to
their photographic work. Because most members in this forum are
not professional photographers, so you will see a lot of snapshots
being posted. Although I dont shoot pics of children or pets, I am
sure my snapshots o sites of NYC are also getting boring to some
members.

Recommendation, ingore all picture posts and if you really want to
see some outstanding digital photographs...............check out
the following site

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com .
I propose a forum dedicated for all those sappy photographs of
family members, especially children, and cats.

Honestly, there's only so much I can take of children and cats.
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http://www.pbase.com/rfcd100
 
dude,

You ever hear of paragraphs? :)

Seriously though, you may want to break up your text, I found it difficult to follow due to its length.

Just my observation,

Gregory
i enjoy seeing photos where the photographer give some insight as
to settings equipment or even what or how you worked it in
photoshop to reach the final version. some of the photos are
beautiful and could stand alone just as they are; however, even
there, give us a little of the technical background. squirrels
wore thin months ago but because they were posted by some who are
so technically knowledgeable, few if any spoke out. take care on
posting shots of your children, though i always look for the
technical aspect, skin coloring and the sharpness derived, i
personally would be a bit embarrassed in a few years to come to the
realization that i had posted so many of my beautiful child. yves
this is not aimed at you because i really believe you do post
beautiful thought provoking shots. post, but give us some
technical background. i have seen some really wonderful shots on
this site that have given me inspiration to shoot more and emulate
to a degree. the black and white, for want of a better word and
please forgive, "trailer park portraits" show great skill. those
were some super shots worty of a book. don't enjoy sports shots
taken from so back it resembles a point and shoot. also remember
some wedding shots by a photographer maybe in portugal or spain
shot against an arch in the twilight. sheer beauty. i went to his
site and found more of the same. sports photos are also those that
i enjoy. some of the equestrian shots as well as car racing were
first rate. again give some tecnical background. as far as
posting, i really feel that no matter where we are in our
photographic careers, we all have somewhat thin skins when it comes
to criticism re our work. yet again and again, i see someone
posting what in my opinion is a throwaway shot and them see other
postings lauding what a fine photo that is. i've never criticised
for fear of hurting someone and then someone looking up my work
with the attitude, just sho does he think he is. his wor isn't all
that great. what might better be served by this thread are some
ground rules for critiqueing pictures posted here. perhaps one of
the rules might be don't ask for an opion if you really don't want
truthful criticism. just post it with the message i don't really
want to know what you think. it's my picture, i think it's great,
and that's all that matters. i'm posting it here only for you to
share in my joy of creating something this artistic. on the other
hand, if you really want critique, then say so but be prepared for
what i believe a great many have been holding back on this forum.
0r shall we all just be a kinder and gentler forum. just rambling
and enjoying this thread.
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I thought it looked quite good :D

Like a piece of art.

Also, one could maybe use it for lens testing. Would make a change from brick walls ;-)
  • McD.
P.S. So, that was four paragraphs then... ;-)
You ever hear of paragraphs? :)

Seriously though, you may want to break up your text, I found it
difficult to follow due to its length.

Just my observation,

Gregory
i enjoy seeing photos where the photographer give some insight as
to settings equipment or even what or how you worked it in
photoshop to reach the final version. some of the photos are
beautiful and could stand alone just as they are; however, even
there, give us a little of the technical background. squirrels
wore thin months ago but because they were posted by some who are
so technically knowledgeable, few if any spoke out. take care on
posting shots of your children, though i always look for the
technical aspect, skin coloring and the sharpness derived, i
personally would be a bit embarrassed in a few years to come to the
realization that i had posted so many of my beautiful child. yves
this is not aimed at you because i really believe you do post
beautiful thought provoking shots. post, but give us some
technical background. i have seen some really wonderful shots on
this site that have given me inspiration to shoot more and emulate
to a degree. the black and white, for want of a better word and
please forgive, "trailer park portraits" show great skill. those
were some super shots worty of a book. don't enjoy sports shots
taken from so back it resembles a point and shoot. also remember
some wedding shots by a photographer maybe in portugal or spain
shot against an arch in the twilight. sheer beauty. i went to his
site and found more of the same. sports photos are also those that
i enjoy. some of the equestrian shots as well as car racing were
first rate. again give some tecnical background. as far as
posting, i really feel that no matter where we are in our
photographic careers, we all have somewhat thin skins when it comes
to criticism re our work. yet again and again, i see someone
posting what in my opinion is a throwaway shot and them see other
postings lauding what a fine photo that is. i've never criticised
for fear of hurting someone and then someone looking up my work
with the attitude, just sho does he think he is. his wor isn't all
that great. what might better be served by this thread are some
ground rules for critiqueing pictures posted here. perhaps one of
the rules might be don't ask for an opion if you really don't want
truthful criticism. just post it with the message i don't really
want to know what you think. it's my picture, i think it's great,
and that's all that matters. i'm posting it here only for you to
share in my joy of creating something this artistic. on the other
hand, if you really want critique, then say so but be prepared for
what i believe a great many have been holding back on this forum.
0r shall we all just be a kinder and gentler forum. just rambling
and enjoying this thread.
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Seems like this thread wont die, eh?

I love this forum. I especially like all the pics. It shows me the range from good to bad of what a particular model of camera can do. It reinforces the fact that it is not so much the equipment but more the photographer that makes beautiful images. I used this information to evaluate the abilities of the D100 with a novice behind it compared to that of a pro.

I also browse the STF and Canon forums and view their pics too. This allows me to see the full gamut of what some cameras are able to do. For example, in the STF, there are some guys that take do pro wedding shoots with a F7x7 - and produce excellent results that rival results produced by DSLRs. This makes me a bit more comfortable using it for a backup to my D100 (I cant afford much else cuz I'm just entering the pro feild after decades of off-and-on hobbiest work).

Yes, i did fork out over $3K for my D100 mainly to shoot my kids. I guess I'm a serious hobbiest :) And as a parent I find photographs of children very interesting. When my first was born, I spent months looking through the free galeries posted on http://www.imagestation.com - Although most of these are just snapshots, I find it inspirational and feel a bond with fellow parents.

I also find it a nice break from the very technical nature of this forum. The pics give me insight into the lives behind the photographer and their background.

Of course, I still have lots to learn.

Just gotta add my .02

Gregory
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LMAO... Too funny!

Gregory
Like a piece of art.

Also, one could maybe use it for lens testing. Would make a change
from brick walls ;-)
  • McD.
P.S. So, that was four paragraphs then... ;-)
You ever hear of paragraphs? :)

Seriously though, you may want to break up your text, I found it
difficult to follow due to its length.

Just my observation,

Gregory
i enjoy seeing photos where the photographer give some insight as
to settings equipment or even what or how you worked it in
photoshop to reach the final version. some of the photos are
beautiful and could stand alone just as they are; however, even
there, give us a little of the technical background. squirrels
wore thin months ago but because they were posted by some who are
so technically knowledgeable, few if any spoke out. take care on
posting shots of your children, though i always look for the
technical aspect, skin coloring and the sharpness derived, i
personally would be a bit embarrassed in a few years to come to the
realization that i had posted so many of my beautiful child. yves
this is not aimed at you because i really believe you do post
beautiful thought provoking shots. post, but give us some
technical background. i have seen some really wonderful shots on
this site that have given me inspiration to shoot more and emulate
to a degree. the black and white, for want of a better word and
please forgive, "trailer park portraits" show great skill. those
were some super shots worty of a book. don't enjoy sports shots
taken from so back it resembles a point and shoot. also remember
some wedding shots by a photographer maybe in portugal or spain
shot against an arch in the twilight. sheer beauty. i went to his
site and found more of the same. sports photos are also those that
i enjoy. some of the equestrian shots as well as car racing were
first rate. again give some tecnical background. as far as
posting, i really feel that no matter where we are in our
photographic careers, we all have somewhat thin skins when it comes
to criticism re our work. yet again and again, i see someone
posting what in my opinion is a throwaway shot and them see other
postings lauding what a fine photo that is. i've never criticised
for fear of hurting someone and then someone looking up my work
with the attitude, just sho does he think he is. his wor isn't all
that great. what might better be served by this thread are some
ground rules for critiqueing pictures posted here. perhaps one of
the rules might be don't ask for an opion if you really don't want
truthful criticism. just post it with the message i don't really
want to know what you think. it's my picture, i think it's great,
and that's all that matters. i'm posting it here only for you to
share in my joy of creating something this artistic. on the other
hand, if you really want critique, then say so but be prepared for
what i believe a great many have been holding back on this forum.
0r shall we all just be a kinder and gentler forum. just rambling
and enjoying this thread.
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You need to create an account, but its free!
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Gregory, Dude, it's not that hard to follow if you give it a little thought.

it was extremely high tide yesterday and i stepped in a hole in the rocks and really sprained my wrist. it was difficult to type, still is as a matter of fact. consequently, the less keys i had to depress the better.

if you're still finding it hard to wade through the paragraph, write me a private email and i'll break it down for you.

cheers, ron.
You ever hear of paragraphs? :)

Seriously though, you may want to break up your text, I found it
difficult to follow due to its length.

Just my observation,

Gregory
i enjoy seeing photos where the photographer give some insight as
to settings equipment or even what or how you worked it in
photoshop to reach the final version. some of the photos are
beautiful and could stand alone just as they are; however, even
there, give us a little of the technical background. squirrels
wore thin months ago but because they were posted by some who are
so technically knowledgeable, few if any spoke out. take care on
posting shots of your children, though i always look for the
technical aspect, skin coloring and the sharpness derived, i
personally would be a bit embarrassed in a few years to come to the
realization that i had posted so many of my beautiful child. yves
this is not aimed at you because i really believe you do post
beautiful thought provoking shots. post, but give us some
technical background. i have seen some really wonderful shots on
this site that have given me inspiration to shoot more and emulate
to a degree. the black and white, for want of a better word and
please forgive, "trailer park portraits" show great skill. those
were some super shots worty of a book. don't enjoy sports shots
taken from so back it resembles a point and shoot. also remember
some wedding shots by a photographer maybe in portugal or spain
shot against an arch in the twilight. sheer beauty. i went to his
site and found more of the same. sports photos are also those that
i enjoy. some of the equestrian shots as well as car racing were
first rate. again give some tecnical background. as far as
posting, i really feel that no matter where we are in our
photographic careers, we all have somewhat thin skins when it comes
to criticism re our work. yet again and again, i see someone
posting what in my opinion is a throwaway shot and them see other
postings lauding what a fine photo that is. i've never criticised
for fear of hurting someone and then someone looking up my work
with the attitude, just sho does he think he is. his wor isn't all
that great. what might better be served by this thread are some
ground rules for critiqueing pictures posted here. perhaps one of
the rules might be don't ask for an opion if you really don't want
truthful criticism. just post it with the message i don't really
want to know what you think. it's my picture, i think it's great,
and that's all that matters. i'm posting it here only for you to
share in my joy of creating something this artistic. on the other
hand, if you really want critique, then say so but be prepared for
what i believe a great many have been holding back on this forum.
0r shall we all just be a kinder and gentler forum. just rambling
and enjoying this thread.
--
http://www.imagestation.com/members/ximina
You need to create an account, but its free!
 

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