Loss of liveview in manual mode and long exposure

JScherer75 · Jul 29, 2020

Hi guys! I can’t figure out what to search to try and get an answer for this, but I am renting an S1R, the last in my big mirrorless trying spree to try and find a new camera and to my surprise tonight for the first time I got to one of my favorite spots to shoot long exposure on a lake and I noticed when I switched to manual mode I seemingly lost my live picture of what I was looking at? I’ve really looked through the settings and I know I have ‘Constant Preview’ on and it works in manual mode above about 1/4 of a second. Is there a way to get a live picture back of what I’m looking at? Or is it stuck in kind of a slideshow setting showing me a frozen version of my screen when I half press the shutter or hold the AF on button? My confusion only worsens when I do get a live preview and a moving image when the camera is in aperture priority all the way to 60” exposure.

Any help is greatly appreciated! Thank you!

I am very new to this system and it truly has been my favorite to use, ergonomics, menus, beautiful screens, but I just feel unfortunately it’s falling a little short of the competition image quality wise, especially pushing higher ISO’s (which I know isn’t the best idea with so many MPs but my D850, or a Z7 or A7RIV does better) those other cameras have handling aspects that bother me but I love the photos that come out of the camera, I don’t feel that with the S1R, I just love using it, but I wish I could get Sony AF and IQ with a body/menus like the S1R.

iso rivolta · Aug 6, 2020

This option for image preview was introduced by Panasonic with their first mirrorless camera, the G1, to simulate the effect of shutter speed, i.e. not only the effect of a static longer exposure but also the effect of subject and camera motion (panning, motion blur). I would say it's more suitable for shorter exposures. For such long exposures (tens of seconds) the result it's anyway a guess - the light could have an unpredictable evolution.

DimLS · Jan 12, 2021

Regarding manual mode, that is the only I use:

Generally speaking, a viewfinder must view the scene, and viewing the scene is dont with our eyes refresh rate. So, electronic viewfinders have and ty to have high refresh rates for us so as to see the scene normally. Setting in manual mode the Lumix S1, with preview on, with shutter speeds under 1/60, then it starts degrading the experience and its own hardware. At 1/10 you cannot examine the scene normally, not to say about 1/5 etc.

Its funnier and more forstrating that the cam has IBIS that can handle such low speeds that the viewfinder cannot display correctly.

All these could change by not using constant preview, but then, the relative exposure is not compensated in the viewfinder, just as it happens in aperture or shutter mode through exposure compensation.

So a scene at 1/20 f4 in A mode can have different EVF brightness that in M mode with the same aperture and speed.

Really big disappointment. Its like Panasonic telling us that through exposure compensation we show the the relative exposure, but without exposure compensation but with the same exposure ( manual mode) we dont...

georgehudetz · Jan 12, 2021

Yes. Every now and then I pick up my Fuji X-H1 and I am reminded of what a good manual mode EVF experience is.

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JScherer75 · Jan 12, 2021

georgehudetz said:
Yes. Every now and then I pick up my Fuji X-H1 and I am reminded of what a good manual mode EVF experience is.

DimLS · Jan 13, 2021

I got pana s1 for the size (sold A7r3), egonomics. Extra bonus is the elv. And a very strong reason to get it was also the incredible 20-60 that is amazing for the 24 mp sensor, and the forthcoming 35 and 50mm f1.8 primes

But I am really not happy because of the lack of manual mode lack of the relative exposure in the viewfinder

AaronMT · Apr 18, 2021

flbdig said:
The more I think about it, I don't know of Any camera film, dslr or ml that shows a True representation of what a 20, 30 second or Minutes long exposures look like Before the image is taken.

Do you by chance know of a camera that can do what you are trying to get the Panasonic to do?

My Sony A7iii doesn't have lag. After a certain SS length (roughly 10+ sec) it won't show Live exposure anymore, but you can move and adjust without the lag time equivalent of your SS.

AaronMT · Apr 18, 2021

JScherer75 said:
This is, to be honest, a disappointment. A lot to like with this camera, but a lot that I would consider a dealbreaker that just effect my everyday use too much. Thanks for the information.

I'm having the same problem with my S5 - that's what lead me to this forum, lol. Shooting Astrophotography is so painful with waiting 15 seconds every time I reframe that it's almost a deal-breaker. I'm pretty sure I've tried the half-press shutter trick and it did help, but that's still an extra step that shouldn't be necessary. So far this whole camera has slowed down my workflow immensely.

georgehudetz · Apr 19, 2021

AaronMT said:
JScherer75 said:

This is, to be honest, a disappointment. A lot to like with this camera, but a lot that I would consider a dealbreaker that just effect my everyday use too much. Thanks for the information.

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I'm having the same problem with my S5 - that's what lead me to this forum, lol. Shooting Astrophotography is so painful with waiting 15 seconds every time I reframe that it's almost a deal-breaker. I'm pretty sure I've tried the half-press shutter trick and it did help, but that's still an extra step that shouldn't be necessary. So far this whole camera has slowed down my workflow immensely.

If the highly-accurate preview takes too long for you while shooting astro, turn off Constant Preview.

Then, use Live View Boost to pick a setting (there are three) that gives you what you want.

I also shoot astro and have learned that Panasonic gives you lots of control over the relationship between preview accuracy and speed; you just have to choose what works best for you. I have these functions assigned to buttons to allow me to fiddle with them easily in the field.

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