which photographic errors will most likely lead to criticisms on forums ...

What's wrong with Peter Lik?

Yes he's 1/3 photographer and 2/3 entrepreneur. But his photography is quite decent, despite there was some controversy around the moon shot, actual selling prices of the ghost shot etc. Is his work groundbreaking? Probably not.

Ken Rockwell as a photographer is pretty average and definitely not on par with Peter Lik.
Think about my original question. Why only those two?
They're popular figures.

Tony Northrup is also mentioned quite often here, as an example.
But out of the vast number of more talented photographers in the world, why are these two so popular?
They managed to gain popularity which is not always (even rarely is) the same as producing masterpieces.

Why they get mentions on this forum - because they became trendy. The forum members see Keen Rockwell mentioned and use his name later in their own posts.
Certainly the people complaining about the high profile photographers are free to bring up other names as examples of good work.
Other names are often brought up. However, for a forum on photography, there is not much knowledge of photographers beyond a few, high-profile examples.
 
What's wrong with Peter Lik?

Yes he's 1/3 photographer and 2/3 entrepreneur. But his photography is quite decent, despite there was some controversy around the moon shot, actual selling prices of the ghost shot etc. Is his work groundbreaking? Probably not.

Ken Rockwell as a photographer is pretty average and definitely not on par with Peter Lik.
Think about my original question. Why only those two?
They're popular figures.

Tony Northrup is also mentioned quite often here, as an example.
But out of the vast number of more talented photographers in the world, why are these two so popular?
They managed to gain popularity which is not always (even rarely is) the same as producing masterpieces.

Why they get mentions on this forum - because they became trendy. The forum members see Keen Rockwell mentioned and use his name later in their own posts.
Certainly the people complaining about the high profile photographers are free to bring up other names as examples of good work.
Well personally I never complained about anyone. Peter Lik, despite some controversy, is a high profile photographer.

Ken Rockwell has never been one. He's a popular reviewer.
 
What's wrong with Peter Lik?

Yes he's 1/3 photographer and 2/3 entrepreneur. But his photography is quite decent, despite there was some controversy around the moon shot, actual selling prices of the ghost shot etc. Is his work groundbreaking? Probably not.

Ken Rockwell as a photographer is pretty average and definitely not on par with Peter Lik.
Think about my original question. Why only those two?
They're popular figures.

Tony Northrup is also mentioned quite often here, as an example.
But out of the vast number of more talented photographers in the world, why are these two so popular?
They managed to gain popularity which is not always (even rarely is) the same as producing masterpieces.

Why they get mentions on this forum - because they became trendy. The forum members see Keen Rockwell mentioned and use his name later in their own posts.
Certainly the people complaining about the high profile photographers are free to bring up other names as examples of good work.
Other names are often brought up. However, for a forum on photography, there is not much knowledge of photographers beyond a few, high-profile examples.
Exactly and when other photographers are mentioned and this is rare, the majority of comments are unthinking and negative. As in recent threads on Annie Liebovitz and Hiroshi Sugimoto
 
What's wrong with Peter Lik?

Yes he's 1/3 photographer and 2/3 entrepreneur. But his photography is quite decent, despite there was some controversy around the moon shot, actual selling prices of the ghost shot etc. Is his work groundbreaking? Probably not.

Ken Rockwell as a photographer is pretty average and definitely not on par with Peter Lik.
Think about my original question. Why only those two?
They're popular figures.

Tony Northrup is also mentioned quite often here, as an example.
But out of the vast number of more talented photographers in the world, why are these two so popular?
They managed to gain popularity which is not always (even rarely is) the same as producing masterpieces.

Why they get mentions on this forum - because they became trendy. The forum members see Keen Rockwell mentioned and use his name later in their own posts.
Certainly the people complaining about the high profile photographers are free to bring up other names as examples of good work.
Well personally I never complained about anyone. Peter Lik, despite some controversy, is a high profile photographer.

Ken Rockwell has never been one. He's a popular reviewer.
Yes, at least for me Ken is a good source of reviews. But his better advise is a bit buried (how sharpness matters little and how medium or long formats are THE thing for quality), etc.
 
I was wondering which errors in photographic technique will most quickly lead to immediate criticism by your peers on line ?
Overprocessing, long-exposure waterfalls, and not cropping enough.

Two 'techniques' I cannot seem to hold my tongue, especially after seeing these over and over and over...:

"How can I remove these glares?" when they were using a filter;

Anyone asking for assistance or suggestions on a particular photo, only they scrubbed all of the exif info.
 
I my case, I got criticism for exposure ( I showed the light as I perceived, in general low light)

and

over sharpening; I have a very old monitor and cannot see what people see with state of the art monitors
 
I was wondering which errors in photographic technique will most quickly lead to immediate criticism by your peers on line ?
Overprocessing,
This is a preference, not an error.
long-exposure waterfalls,
Also not an error. If something was beautiful 20 years ago, it is beautiful today. Because the viewer considers it "clichés" doesn't make it an error.
and not cropping enough.
Also a preference.
Two 'techniques' I cannot seem to hold my tongue, especially after seeing these over and over and over...:

"How can I remove these glares?" when they were using a filter;

Anyone asking for assistance or suggestions on a particular photo, only they scrubbed all of the exif info.
This is not a technique, but an action. And it is often irrelevant to the main factors for critiquing an image. Not always, but often.
 
I was wondering which errors in photographic technique will most quickly lead to immediate criticism by your peers on line ?
Overprocessing,
This is a preference, not an error.
long-exposure waterfalls,
Also not an error. If something was beautiful 20 years ago, it is beautiful today. Because the viewer considers it "clichés" doesn't make it an error.
and not cropping enough.
Also a preference.
Two 'techniques' I cannot seem to hold my tongue, especially after seeing these over and over and over...:

"How can I remove these glares?" when they were using a filter;

Anyone asking for assistance or suggestions on a particular photo, only they scrubbed all of the exif info.
This is not a technique, but an action. And it is often irrelevant to the main factors for critiquing an image. Not always, but often.
I wasn't saying any of these are justified.

The first two are techniques most likely to attract criticisms on the forums, which was the question.

The second two are the techniques that are most likely to receive criticism from myself.
 
A tilted horizon is probably number one on the list.
On landscapes, for sure. But with wildlife, it's likely not having critical focus on the eyes... Or the head angle of the creature, especially of birds. Hence the term, HAP's.... Head Angle Police :) lol

Interestingly, photos which are pushed hard with HDR are likely to get both bashed here, and some other photography forums, while well received and praised on FB, IG, Twitter, etc.
 
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Daughter glaring at me, for no reason other than she is 13. It wasn't personal. The two burning eyes are what this photo needed.

Co-parent, ice skating, after she fell on her rear. Looking pretty skeptical when I asked her, "So how's it going dear?" Notice the nice bokeh. This was not intentional.

One eye blurry makes this a better picture, IMO.
Great pair of photos capturing what you have said about them. As I said above, when the scene conveys a clear message, why obscure and disrupt it? The eyes say it perfectly.

Can't figure out how to include the photos in this post but suggest all give them a look.
 
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both really nice shots. The best thing about teen agers... they eventually grow up.
 
I was wondering which errors in photographic technique will most quickly lead to immediate criticism by your peers on line ?

the first one I can think of is having an otherwise wonderful image but missing critical crisp focus of the eyes.

an image like that is immedialty doomed and actually "eye-focus" is a powerful selling point for a camera

can you think of other common errors which are so detrimental ?
It's rare that anything good comes from criticizing a photo, even constructively, unless the person posting the photo specifically asks for it. I'll offer praise for good photos, on occasion, but not criticism.
Same here mostly. But it shouldn't be that way. But most of the photo sub forums around here seem to be mutual back pat clubs.
 
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I was wondering which errors in photographic technique will most quickly lead to immediate criticism by your peers on line ?

the first one I can think of is having an otherwise wonderful image but missing critical crisp focus of the eyes.

an image like that is immedialty doomed and actually "eye-focus" is a powerful selling point for a camera

can you think of other common errors which are so detrimental ?
Forgetting to choose an interesting subject, or not having a particular focus point.

I can forgive a few technical errors if the idea is good and the subject is interesting.
 
I was wondering which errors in photographic technique will most quickly lead to immediate criticism by your peers on line ?

the first one I can think of is having an otherwise wonderful image but missing critical crisp focus of the eyes.

an image like that is immedialty doomed and actually "eye-focus" is a powerful selling point for a camera

can you think of other common errors which are so detrimental ?
It's rare that anything good comes from criticizing a photo, even constructively, unless the person posting the photo specifically asks for it. I'll offer praise for good photos, on occasion, but not criticism.
Same here mostly. But it shouldn't be that way. But most of the photo sub forums around here seem to be mutual back pat clubs.
My first impression is that we must be reading different forums. However, it is probably just though different eyes. Open Talk has long been hell for getting a worthwhile critique, but ISTM it has become less toxic recently.* Still mostly worthless as far as constructive, educational advice though.

In my experience, the best way to give a constructive critique is to praise the good and suggest alternative approaches.

The DPR rudely phrased "advice" (euphemistically called "telling it like it is") is not conducive to imparting information, even when the info is correct.

Another thing, though, is that a pat on the back without any criticism, constructive or otherwise, can serve to improve a person's work. Part of what makes one better is shooting more. And praise encourages this.

*Although, that could be because I read fewer threads, so...
 
I was wondering which errors in photographic technique will most quickly lead to immediate criticism by your peers on line ?

the first one I can think of is having an otherwise wonderful image but missing critical crisp focus of the eyes.

an image like that is immedialty doomed and actually "eye-focus" is a powerful selling point for a camera

can you think of other common errors which are so detrimental ?
It's rare that anything good comes from criticizing a photo, even constructively, unless the person posting the photo specifically asks for it. I'll offer praise for good photos, on occasion, but not criticism.
Same here mostly. But it shouldn't be that way. But most of the photo sub forums around here seem to be mutual back pat clubs.
My first impression is that we must be reading different forums.
If I'm being honest, I don't visit the photo sharing forums as much anymore.
However, it is probably just though different eyes. Open Talk has long been hell for getting a worthwhile critique, but ISTM it has become less toxic recently.* Still mostly worthless as far as constructive, educational advice though.

In my experience, the best way to give a constructive critique is to praise the good and suggest alternative approaches.
Making one's words palatable is an art.
The DPR rudely phrased "advice" (euphemistically called "telling it like it is") is not conducive to imparting information, even when the info is correct.

Another thing, though, is that a pat on the back without any criticism, constructive or otherwise, can serve to improve a person's work. Part of what makes one better is shooting more. And praise encourages this.
I guess there are pats on the back and there is honesty and they can co-exist. But I've always thought it hateful to praise someone for something that is just plain bad.
 
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I guess there are pats on the back and there is honesty and they can co-exist. But I've always thought it hateful to praise someone for something that is just plain bad.
You mean something like, "That dress really takes the pounds off you!"? ;-)
 
Stevo
I guess there are pats on the back and there is honesty and they can co-exist. But I've always thought it hateful to praise someone for something that is just plain bad.
As whoever (Shakespeare? ) said,

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
 
The worst thing you can do that will lead to the most criticism is to post on the Sony Board about how good your Fuji camera is.

The second worst error is to post any type of portrait on the MF Board unless you are a world class fashion shooter that has been doing it 35 years.
 
I guess there are pats on the back and there is honesty and they can co-exist. But I've always thought it hateful to praise someone for something that is just plain bad.
You mean something like, "That dress really takes the pounds off you!"? ;-)
Clearly you're a pro at this... ;-)
 
Stevo
I guess there are pats on the back and there is honesty and they can co-exist. But I've always thought it hateful to praise someone for something that is just plain bad.
As whoever (Shakespeare? ) said,

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
Probably someone with a face that only his mother could love.

But I guess we'll know what someone really thinks if we hear that.
 
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