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Zeee said:
BirdShooter7 said:
Zeee said:
Since he is a Sony fan and could not even get the exposure right I have some questions.

These are a few from memory

Did he actually have it set to H+

Did he shoot at 1/1000 which is the minimum required

Was the battery properly charged

FPS may vary depending in subject and lens. They used a 20 year old lens with a 2X

Did he have the anti-flicker on

Did he have it on Dual Pixel RAW
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Do you have an R5? Maybe you can try some of this out and let those of us who are waiting to get ours still know what you find.
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No I don't but hopefully in two weeks. I have know this for years because all the manuals say this. Even iTR can slow it down. I'm not sure if iTR is still in play with the R5&6. I skimmed the manual looking for what key changes are important to me and I don't recall seeing it.

There are tons of reports coming in without Sony Northrup's issues. Time to ignore him and listen to people who know what are doing birding with Canon cameras.
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Colin46 said:
Pixel boy said:
In the spec sheet it says "upto 12fps" Tony Northrup says he only got 5fps with his 500mm lens.

PLEASE READ: I misspoke and said the R5 has 10 FPS with the mechanical shutter. The specs show it has 12; that's a theoretical maximum when it's not tracking autofocus. In our testing with the RF 70-200 tracking continuous AF for sports, it captured 8 FPS max. With our 500mm f/4 EF lens tracking AF, it captured 5 FPS

Anyone confirm this?

Cheers
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Northrup was using a 20 year old mk1 500mm lens with a 2x tc.

my 500mm mk2 with the 2x mk3 tc gets the full 12fps and 20 fps providing the shutter speed is fast enough but that’s the same with all cameras.
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Great, so you tested it on the R5 and get full speed? I just want to make sure I understand correctly.



Thanks
 
tifa3 said:
Sony Northrup did their testing wrong. I have used mechanical shutter 12fps on R5 and R6 tracking subjects and there is no such major lag or blackout. There is a slight stutter but it’s worlds better than the R. Don’t let their inaccurate and poor testing fool you. These cameras are incredible fast in terms of processing power with the Digic X.
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Great! Do you have any photos to share?

Thanks
 
Tazz93 said:
Canon mentioned battery life, focus acquisition and various other understandable facets can slow the shooting down to 4 fps. And yes, using a 500mm and a 2x TC to track a darting bird at 300+ feet would likely fall into that category. Please understand those two don't understand what they are doing, and sometimes give out terrible advice.

Some of the things from Canon's limitations for 12fps:
  • Good temps are needed - 73 (seems limited)
  • At least 60% battery (but doesn't completely stop the camera from fast shooting)
  • Bad Batteries will cause problems (weak recharge performance)
  • Wifi connections will speed it down
  • Flicker reduction may slow it dow
  • Shooting wide open is need for good light for AF/AE
  • Obviously a good shutter speed
Anything other than a green H+ logo in the EVF will slow the burst speed down.
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BirdShooter7 said:
UnTrav said:
One thing I have noticed with my R5 is off brand batteries do not unlock the full +H shooting mode. The +H will be flashing on the screen, when the full speed is unlocked you will have a Green +H on screen.

The tracking and shutter speed are in another league compared to my R.
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Thanks for the information. I haven’t had good luck with 3rd party batteries so all of mine are Canon.
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I never use them as I do not trust them. They came with a USB charger that I do like and do use for charging my batteries with my Anker PD charger.

I do not like charging batteries in my Camera in case the battery decided to end it all:-(
 
BirdShooter7 said:
Tazz93 said:
Canon mentioned battery life, focus acquisition and various other understandable facets can slow the shooting down to 4 fps. And yes, using a 500mm and a 2x TC to track a darting bird at 300+ feet would likely fall into that category. Please understand those two don't understand what they are doing, and sometimes give out terrible advice.

Some of the things from Canon's limitations for 12fps:
  • Good temps are needed - 73 (seems limited)
  • At least 60% battery (but doesn't completely stop the camera from fast shooting)
  • Bad Batteries will cause problems (weak recharge performance)
  • Wifi connections will speed it down
  • Flicker reduction may slow it dow
  • Shooting wide open is need for good light for AF/AE
  • Obviously a good shutter speed
Anything other than a green H+ logo in the EVF will slow the burst speed down.
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Actually it’s a lot easier to track them at longer distances than up close.
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True, but they are itty bitty in the VF. And that's no good for a quality AF lock. Low quality AF lock is likely going to lead to slower speeds. If you saw the video, I'm sure you picked up on the "great lock" they got (I'm laughing just thinking back to that seen).

Hey I don't want to bash them, but they keep saying things that just don't make sense. Personally, I'd love it if they just "stayed in their lane" and left the technical stuff to those that care about the details. That way, they can go back to entertaining... that's what they are good at.
 
BirdShooter7 said:
Zeee said:
BirdShooter7 said:
Zeee said:
Since he is a Sony fan and could not even get the exposure right I have some questions.

These are a few from memory

Did he actually have it set to H+

Did he shoot at 1/1000 which is the minimum required

Was the battery properly charged

FPS may vary depending in subject and lens. They used a 20 year old lens with a 2X

Did he have the anti-flicker on

Did he have it on Dual Pixel RAW
Click to expand...
Do you have an R5? Maybe you can try some of this out and let those of us who are waiting to get ours still know what you find.
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No I don't but hopefully in two weeks. I have know this for years because all the manuals say this. Even iTR can slow it down. I'm not sure if iTR is still in play with the R5&6. I skimmed the manual looking for what key changes are important to me and I don't recall seeing it.

There are tons of reports coming in without Sony Northrup's issues. Time to ignore him and listen to people who know what are doing birding with Canon cameras.
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That is why I was asking if you have one yet.
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Ah I see. No I missed out yesterday. I wanted to put a lens on and test the EVF lag, which the camera store would have allowed me to do. They expected more but only got 2 in. They had two customers that wanted them outright so I can't blame.

I've read enough to decide I'm staying with Canon. I called the store today and I get the next one. Around two weeks.
 
tifa3 said:
Sony Northrup did their testing wrong. I have used mechanical shutter 12fps on R5 and R6 tracking subjects and there is no such major lag or blackout. There is a slight stutter but it’s worlds better than the R. Don’t let their inaccurate and poor testing fool you. These cameras are incredible fast in terms of processing power with the Digic X.
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Right. I depend on the posters here and other sites. There were good videos and comments but once the masses gets their hands on them you get the real dope.
 
The 12 fps in the manual spec is with a fully charged battery in the One Shot AF mode. This is the same for all cameras I have owned that have AF. The AF Servo mode require for track is always less than this number. Battery levels also reduces this speed but less than AF servo does because focus tracking is done for each frame and takes time if you want it to do a good job. AF Servo in my experience is 2-4 fps slower. Most commonly 2 FPS in my measurments for all of my good focusing cameras. Every now then you get the oulier slowly it as much 4 fps. For the R5 this is a means AF Servo with Drive Mode in H+ mechanical shutter may be 8-12 fps and I think this could be 10 fps typically.

This is nothing new. The Manuals commonly do not state this AF Servo speed range and only print the number for One Shot AF

See the manual you can download at:

https://gdlp01.c-ss.com/gds/9/0300039689/01/EOS_R5_Advanced_User_Guide_v1_EN.pdf
 
BirdShooter7 said:
tifa3 said:
Sony Northrup did their testing wrong. I have used mechanical shutter 12fps on R5 and R6 tracking subjects and there is no such major lag or blackout. There is a slight stutter but it’s worlds better than the R. Don’t let their inaccurate and poor testing fool you. These cameras are incredible fast in terms of processing power with the Digic X.
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Great! Do you have any photos to share?

Thanks
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Tazz93 said:
Canon mentioned battery life, focus acquisition and various other understandable facets can slow the shooting down to 4 fps. And yes, using a 500mm and a 2x TC to track a darting bird at 300+ feet would likely fall into that category. Please understand those two don't understand what they are doing, and sometimes give out terrible advice.

Some of the things from Canon's limitations for 12fps:
  • Good temps are needed - 73 (seems limited)
  • At least 60% battery (but doesn't completely stop the camera from fast shooting)
  • Bad Batteries will cause problems (weak recharge performance)
  • Wifi connections will speed it down
  • Flicker reduction may slow it dow
  • Shooting wide open is need for good light for AF/AE
  • Obviously a good shutter speed
Anything other than a green H+ logo in the EVF will slow the burst speed down.
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Those same set of instructions are in every manual. One person at Fred Miranda got 1,200 shots and had 29% left. Regarding the battery I copied this from one of the technical bulletins. They say 60% but should have just said low capacity like they did for years.

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I feel even more confident that soon things will have a wonderful conclusion
 
120 fps 4k dog running with Animal AF tracking on
ef 100-400 mk 2.

 
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Zeee said:
Tazz93 said:
Canon mentioned battery life, focus acquisition and various other understandable facets can slow the shooting down to 4 fps. And yes, using a 500mm and a 2x TC to track a darting bird at 300+ feet would likely fall into that category. Please understand those two don't understand what they are doing, and sometimes give out terrible advice.

Some of the things from Canon's limitations for 12fps:
  • Good temps are needed - 73 (seems limited)
  • At least 60% battery (but doesn't completely stop the camera from fast shooting)
  • Bad Batteries will cause problems (weak recharge performance)
  • Wifi connections will speed it down
  • Flicker reduction may slow it dow
  • Shooting wide open is need for good light for AF/AE
  • Obviously a good shutter speed
Anything other than a green H+ logo in the EVF will slow the burst speed down.
Click to expand...
Those same set of instructions are in every manual. One person at Fred Miranda got 1,200 shots and had 29% left. Regarding the battery I copied this from one of the technical bulletins. They say 60% but should have just said low capacity like they did for years.

Click on full view

8ff871dbbe3a46bcb9c5b6c60b2a10d9.jpg
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I got the above from here

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I feel even more confident that soon things will have a wonderful conclusion
 
RDM5546 said:
The 12 fps in the manual spec is with a fully charged battery in the One Shot AF mode. This is the same for all cameras I have owned that have AF. The AF Servo mode require for track is always less than this number. Battery levels also reduces this speed but less than AF servo does because focus tracking is done for each frame and takes time if you want it to do a good job. AF Servo in my experience is 2-4 fps slower. Most commonly 2 FPS in my measurments for all of my good focusing cameras. Every now then you get the oulier slowly it as much 4 fps. For the R5 this is a means AF Servo with Drive Mode in H+ mechanical shutter may be 8-12 fps and I think this could be 10 fps typically.

This is nothing new. The Manuals commonly do not state this AF Servo speed range and only print the number for One Shot AF

See the manual you can download at:

https://gdlp01.c-ss.com/gds/9/0300039689/01/EOS_R5_Advanced_User_Guide_v1_EN.pdf
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Sometimes they state it, sonetimes not. They should state it clearly every time! (fps / focus priority / shutter priority in servo)
 
RDM5546 said:
The 12 fps in the manual spec is with a fully charged battery in the One Shot AF mode. This is the same for all cameras I have owned that have AF. The AF Servo mode require for track is always less than this number. Battery levels also reduces this speed but less than AF servo does because focus tracking is done for each frame and takes time if you want it to do a good job. AF Servo in my experience is 2-4 fps slower. Most commonly 2 FPS in my measurments for all of my good focusing cameras. Every now then you get the oulier slowly it as much 4 fps. For the R5 this is a means AF Servo with Drive Mode in H+ mechanical shutter may be 8-12 fps and I think this could be 10 fps typically.

This is nothing new. The Manuals commonly do not state this AF Servo speed range and only print the number for One Shot AF

See the manual you can download at:

https://gdlp01.c-ss.com/gds/9/0300039689/01/EOS_R5_Advanced_User_Guide_v1_EN.pdf
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All makes sense, I guess its just a case of not jumping to conclusions.

Cheers
 
tifa3 said:
BirdShooter7 said:
tifa3 said:
Sony Northrup did their testing wrong. I have used mechanical shutter 12fps on R5 and R6 tracking subjects and there is no such major lag or blackout. There is a slight stutter but it’s worlds better than the R. Don’t let their inaccurate and poor testing fool you. These cameras are incredible fast in terms of processing power with the Digic X.
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Great! Do you have any photos to share?

Thanks
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I tested it at my local camera store so I don’t have any images. Images were tack sharp on the rear lcd though.
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That’s cool, I wasn’t aware that R6 was in stores yet.
 
Willow w said:
Pixel boy said:
In the spec sheet it says "upto 12fps" Tony Northrup says he only got 5fps with his 500mm lens.

PLEASE READ: I misspoke and said the R5 has 10 FPS with the mechanical shutter. The specs show it has 12; that's a theoretical maximum when it's not tracking autofocus. In our testing with the RF 70-200 tracking continuous AF for sports, it captured 8 FPS max. With our 500mm f/4 EF lens tracking AF, it captured 5 FPS

Anyone confirm this?

Cheers
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I've done several tests shooing timers with AF tracking on, an EF 70-300 non-L, and battery half full and its always been 10 fps. I don't know if I am using the best settings though.
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Well if you are just shooting a timer that is always in the same place, and not moving the camera around, tracking won't slow it down. You need to actually be tracking a subject whose position is changing relative to the camera in three dimensions. If you need to shoot a stationary timer fo your tests, then move the camera up, down. sideways and back and forth.
 
BirdShooter7 said:
Colin46 said:
Pixel boy said:
In the spec sheet it says "upto 12fps" Tony Northrup says he only got 5fps with his 500mm lens.

PLEASE READ: I misspoke and said the R5 has 10 FPS with the mechanical shutter. The specs show it has 12; that's a theoretical maximum when it's not tracking autofocus. In our testing with the RF 70-200 tracking continuous AF for sports, it captured 8 FPS max. With our 500mm f/4 EF lens tracking AF, it captured 5 FPS

Anyone confirm this?

Cheers
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Northrup was using a 20 year old mk1 500mm lens with a 2x tc.

my 500mm mk2 with the 2x mk3 tc gets the full 12fps and 20 fps providing the shutter speed is fast enough but that’s the same with all cameras.
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Great, so you tested it on the R5 and get full speed? I just want to make sure I understand correctly.

Thanks
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yes
 
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