After watching Canon R5 presentation....

I love some of the RF lenses Canon have produced (but not their prices), the R6 looks like the more attractive option than the R5 to me. When I get an 8k tv in a few years, they’ll be better (and cheaper) 8k cameras available by then.

Den
Just out of curiosity, which lenses call to you? Looking at the non f/2 zooms, they all have counterparts in the Sony system which seem as good or better and are smaller and usually cheaper. I do like the 35/1.8 and 85/2, but not enough to invest in another system for, and the 28-70/2 is just too large to consider carrying around (for me, YMMV). Not contradicting, just curious.
I’m impressed with the 28-70 f2 (though not practical), the 50mm f1.2, the 70-200 f2.8 and the 85mm f1.2 DS. They are incredibly good lenses, but all pricey as hell.

Den
You have picked some of their most impressive lenses for sure. But I don't think I would carry the 28-70/2 or the large 1.2 primes, and honestly if I were going to go for any huge 1.2 prime, I would want the Sigma 35/1.2, as I love that focal length more than 50 or 85 (although I do understand the desire if you are a dedicated portrait shooter). I would also rather have the tiny Tamron 70-180/2.8 then the Canon 70-200/2.8 which is much heavier and more expensive (although impressively short for a 70-200/2.8 zoom).

I am not trying to convince you, I am wondering aloud. I actually have this idea in my head that Canon is putting out the best lenses in the business, which I think comes from their last crop of DSLR lenses. The 24-70/2.8, 16-35/2.8 and 11-24/4 were amazing and leaders in their range, but when it comes to mirrorless mounts, I no longer find them at the head of the competition, and their mirrorless lenses are comparatively heavy. Their 15-35/2.8 is heavier than any UWA zoom on Sony - including the 16-35/2.8 and Sigma 14-24/2.8 - except for the new 12-24/2.8. The Canon 24-70/2.8 is heavier than the excellent Sigma 24-70/2.8 I use (and way heavier than the Tamron, I think its about equal to the GM). I already noted the Sigma Art primes and the Tamron 70-180/2.8 zoom compared to those you mentioned (if I want stellar prime performance and don't mind size, the Sigma 28 and 40 are excellent, and Canon cannot match lenses like the 20G, 24GM and 135GM).

In short, the performance on this camera would have to be out of this world for me to be tempted to leave Sony for Canon, and so far, Canon doesn't have a track record of exceptional sensor performance. I have shot Canon, Nikon and Sony, and feel no brand loyalty, so let's see what happens.
 
I wonder if Sony could create a higher IBIS mode (along with standard) that would crop slightly to achieve more stops of correction? It wouldn't beat Canon but just add an option for the user.

Canon has taken a step in the right direction on the technical side and I'm sure their loyal customers are thrilled. As a Sony user I hope Canon comes up with the right combination of specs to make me consider making a move. I'll wait until the long term reviews start coming out to decide, but I get the feeling that Canon is not quite there yet, for me at least, but they are just a few bodies away from the right combination of features to make me want one. The lenses will of course play into the decision. I wish Canon had gone the way of Nikon and focused on a lot of primes at f1.8. Not sexy but very practical. The 85mm f2 they announced today piqued my interest.

Sony announcing that the A7SIII was "all new" has me wondering how much of the "new" will show up in other bodies. If Sony were to come up with a low light model that is just focused on stills, and achieves class leading results with some sensor wizardry, I would buy it straight away. Even if they kept all the high end video feature, along with the price premium, I still might pull the trigger.
 
In short, the performance on this camera would have to be out of this world for me to be tempted to leave Sony for Canon, and so far, Canon doesn't have a track record of exceptional sensor performance. I have shot Canon, Nikon and Sony, and feel no brand loyalty, so let's see what happens.
We use what we like, and I don't think jumping ship for just a new camera body is wise, unless we have very specialized needs.

Just wanting the latest and best don't make us better photographers or videographers.
 
I love some of the RF lenses Canon have produced (but not their prices), the R6 looks like the more attractive option than the R5 to me. When I get an 8k tv in a few years, they’ll be better (and cheaper) 8k cameras available by then.

Den
Just out of curiosity, which lenses call to you? Looking at the non f/2 zooms, they all have counterparts in the Sony system which seem as good or better and are smaller and usually cheaper. I do like the 35/1.8 and 85/2, but not enough to invest in another system for, and the 28-70/2 is just too large to consider carrying around (for me, YMMV). Not contradicting, just curious.
I’m impressed with the 28-70 f2 (though not practical), the 50mm f1.2, the 70-200 f2.8 and the 85mm f1.2 DS. They are incredibly good lenses, but all pricey as hell.

Den
You have picked some of their most impressive lenses for sure. But I don't think I would carry the 28-70/2 or the large 1.2 primes, and honestly if I were going to go for any huge 1.2 prime, I would want the Sigma 35/1.2, as I love that focal length more than 50 or 85 (although I do understand the desire if you are a dedicated portrait shooter). I would also rather have the tiny Tamron 70-180/2.8 then the Canon 70-200/2.8 which is much heavier and more expensive (although impressively short for a 70-200/2.8 zoom).

I am not trying to convince you, I am wondering aloud. I actually have this idea in my head that Canon is putting out the best lenses in the business, which I think comes from their last crop of DSLR lenses. The 24-70/2.8, 16-35/2.8 and 11-24/4 were amazing and leaders in their range, but when it comes to mirrorless mounts, I no longer find them at the head of the competition, and their mirrorless lenses are comparatively heavy. Their 15-35/2.8 is heavier than any UWA zoom on Sony - including the 16-35/2.8 and Sigma 14-24/2.8 - except for the new 12-24/2.8. The Canon 24-70/2.8 is heavier than the excellent Sigma 24-70/2.8 I use (and way heavier than the Tamron, I think its about equal to the GM). I already noted the Sigma Art primes and the Tamron 70-180/2.8 zoom compared to those you mentioned (if I want stellar prime performance and don't mind size, the Sigma 28 and 40 are excellent, and Canon cannot match lenses like the 20G, 24GM and 135GM).

In short, the performance on this camera would have to be out of this world for me to be tempted to leave Sony for Canon, and so far, Canon doesn't have a track record of exceptional sensor performance. I have shot Canon, Nikon and Sony, and feel no brand loyalty, so let's see what happens.
TBH, I much prefer compact/light lenses, but you gotta hand it to Canon for producing some amazing RF lenses.

The Sigma FE 35mm f1.2 is definitely up there as one of the best for FE mount. The problem for me, is if I owned it I’d rarely use it. It would spend most of its life sitting on a shelf at home because of its weight and size.

Den
 
I think you may be overstating the importance of jello-free 20FPS for someone looking at this camera. They can just go down to the 12FPS mechanical mode and eliminate it. Still plenty. All while getting nearly twice the A9's resolution, better video and IBIS, for similar money (or less than the A9II). The R5 looks like a better overall package than anything in Sony's lineup IMO.
I agree that the R5 specs look impressive. It is a leap forward for Canon, but I don't agree that this camera is better than anything from Sony. What about blackout free viewfinder. And is the AF up to A9 class? We don't know.
I think you are fixated on the blackout free viewfinder because it's 1 place where Sony is clearly better. I am sure autofocus will be a point of debate as well as it's not clear and dry and never will be.
Today's cameras are impressive, and capable of more than most of us need. When buying a tool, I would rather look at my needs than just "best specs". Also, it would be nice if I could use my lenses without an adapter.
I think that's fair, which is why only focusing on the specs that matter to you kind of isn't. Will it have blackout free shutter? Maybe, maybe not. Does everyone interested in it want or need that? Probably not. MPs, IQ, AF, IBIS.... there are bigger audiences/markets for those, and while Sony may have cameras that compete in some aspects, they don't have anything as well rounded.
 
It’s one of the reasons why I love Sony FE mount, small diameter lenses.

I have a full set of compact/light primes:

Voigtlander FE 15mm f4.5

Voigtlander FE 21mm f3.5

Samyang FE 35mm f2.8

Zeiss/Sony FE 55mm f1.8

Samyang FE 75mm f1.8

and my (not so compact) Sony FE 100mm f2.8 STF.

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Canon have some great RF lenses, but they haven’t got the range of compact/light primes I enjoy so much in FE mount.

Den
Samyang has already ported some lenses over; I'd wager more are forthcoming. I absolutely loved the Samyang 45/1.8. There was a rumored RF 50 1.8 that was supposed to be announced, but no dice. Whichever one of those lenses comes out for RF mount first will get my money.

So I wouldn't count non-Tamron 3rd party glass as an advantage for Sony in the long term. All the Sigma ART glass works fine with adapters, and I think it's just a matter of time before the MILC specific stuff gets ported over.
 
Hey,

sorry maybe that's a stupid question but I cannot figure it out on my own and don't have time to dive too deep into specs.

Now Canon offers something where people say it's A7S + A7R in one... but it's A7S/R + A9 in one actually isn't it?

I'd love those 20 fps and 12 mechanical shutter! That's why I'm tempted to buy the A9.
Well the trick is that the Sony A9 can use the electronic shutter with extremely little rolling shutter effects and has very good Autofocus.

Not sure how the Canon R5 will compare.
 
I love some of the RF lenses Canon have produced (but not their prices), the R6 looks like the more attractive option than the R5 to me. When I get an 8k tv in a few years, they’ll be better (and cheaper) 8k cameras available by then.

Den
Just out of curiosity, which lenses call to you? Looking at the non f/2 zooms, they all have counterparts in the Sony system which seem as good or better and are smaller and usually cheaper. I do like the 35/1.8 and 85/2, but not enough to invest in another system for, and the 28-70/2 is just too large to consider carrying around (for me, YMMV). Not contradicting, just curious.
I’m impressed with the 28-70 f2 (though not practical), the 50mm f1.2, the 70-200 f2.8 and the 85mm f1.2 DS. They are incredibly good lenses, but all pricey as hell.

Den
You have picked some of their most impressive lenses for sure. But I don't think I would carry the 28-70/2 or the large 1.2 primes, and honestly if I were going to go for any huge 1.2 prime, I would want the Sigma 35/1.2, as I love that focal length more than 50 or 85 (although I do understand the desire if you are a dedicated portrait shooter). I would also rather have the tiny Tamron 70-180/2.8 then the Canon 70-200/2.8 which is much heavier and more expensive (although impressively short for a 70-200/2.8 zoom).

I am not trying to convince you, I am wondering aloud. I actually have this idea in my head that Canon is putting out the best lenses in the business, which I think comes from their last crop of DSLR lenses. The 24-70/2.8, 16-35/2.8 and 11-24/4 were amazing and leaders in their range, but when it comes to mirrorless mounts, I no longer find them at the head of the competition, and their mirrorless lenses are comparatively heavy. Their 15-35/2.8 is heavier than any UWA zoom on Sony - including the 16-35/2.8 and Sigma 14-24/2.8 - except for the new 12-24/2.8. The Canon 24-70/2.8 is heavier than the excellent Sigma 24-70/2.8 I use (and way heavier than the Tamron, I think its about equal to the GM). I already noted the Sigma Art primes and the Tamron 70-180/2.8 zoom compared to those you mentioned (if I want stellar prime performance and don't mind size, the Sigma 28 and 40 are excellent, and Canon cannot match lenses like the 20G, 24GM and 135GM).

In short, the performance on this camera would have to be out of this world for me to be tempted to leave Sony for Canon, and so far, Canon doesn't have a track record of exceptional sensor performance. I have shot Canon, Nikon and Sony, and feel no brand loyalty, so let's see what happens.
TBH, I much prefer compact/light lenses, but you gotta hand it to Canon for producing some amazing RF lenses.

The Sigma FE 35mm f1.2 is definitely up there as one of the best for FE mount. The problem for me, is if I owned it I’d rarely use it. It would spend most of its life sitting on a shelf at home because of its weight and size.

Den
Same here, I love 28-35 as a focal length (prefer 28 a bit more), but the 28/1.4 Art or 35/1.2 Art is just too big for the kind of shooting I do with primes (street mostly). Same would be true for the RF lenses you noted. Ultimately Sony is still the king when it comes to lenses so far, I would love to see them come out with a new 24-70/2.8 that's both reasonably small and excellent, but for now I am super happy with the Sigma 24-70/2.8 DG DN.
 
As a non-video shooter this camera doesn't make me want to jump ship. If Canon gets the sensor tech right - they've been behind Sony sensors for years (pure resolution aside) - then maybe that's the beginning of a conversation. We have yet to see how fast their AF is compared to Sony AF; and how good the actual IBIS is compared to Sony IBIS. It doesn't have ISO 64 and Canon lenses are expensive and mostly arger than their Soy counterparts (or their excellent third party lens counterparts). I will keep my eyes on reviews, I took some of my favorite pics ever with the 5DII and love Canon colors, but I don't feel Sony is beat up over this.

Obviously video shooters may feel differently. I pretty much never shoot video.
We all know Sony IBIS is already behind everybody else, fullframe or crop sensors, from the get-go

Its a foregone conclusion Canon will crush Sony in this area. And from the early reports, it most certainly is.
That' s what I think too. It would even crush Olympus IBIS. Yes, I would love to have such IBIS in my camera....and...well that's about it. No reason to change.
Sensors are shrouded at the edges. It has to be that way to achieve fast shutter times (smaller distance for the shutter to travel). This means that mount size has no effect on IBIS.
 
As a non-video shooter this camera doesn't make me want to jump ship. If Canon gets the sensor tech right - they've been behind Sony sensors for years (pure resolution aside) - then maybe that's the beginning of a conversation. We have yet to see how fast their AF is compared to Sony AF; and how good the actual IBIS is compared to Sony IBIS. It doesn't have ISO 64 and Canon lenses are expensive and mostly arger than their Soy counterparts (or their excellent third party lens counterparts). I will keep my eyes on reviews, I took some of my favorite pics ever with the 5DII and love Canon colors, but I don't feel Sony is beat up over this.

Obviously video shooters may feel differently. I pretty much never shoot video.
We all know Sony IBIS is already behind everybody else, fullframe or crop sensors, from the get-go

Its a foregone conclusion Canon will crush Sony in this area. And from the early reports, it most certainly is.
That' s what I think too. It would even crush Olympus IBIS. Yes, I would love to have such IBIS in my camera....and...well that's about it. No reason to change.
Sensors are shrouded at the edges. It has to be that way to achieve fast shutter times (smaller distance for the shutter to travel). This means that mount size has no effect on IBIS.
Ehm....ok....so?
 
Finally we can actually see some real advantages to having a much larger lens mount - gives much more room for the sensor to move around in.
Actually IBIS has nothing to do with the mount diameter. The effectiveness is determined by the efficacy of the mechanism and the size of the lens imaging circle.

IBIS doesn't move much - only a couple of millimetres. The imaging circles from Canon's lenses are not going to be significantly larger than Sony's, if they're larger at all. If the Canon IBIS is better it's because the system is better.

You can see this with the Nikon IBIS, which is the lowest rated by CIPA but sits behind the largest mount.
Most impressive feature to me is the 8 stops of stabilisation.
I doubt you will get that. Canon is on a major spin offensive with IBIS - they are the last to offer it and they have so far managed to avoid this being mentioned!
 
We all know Sony IBIS is already behind everybody else, fullframe or crop sensors, from the get-go
No we don't know this. But I see a few attempts by you and others to try to make it gain traction by repeating it over and over.

The fact is that Sony has more experience than any other manufacturer implementing IBIS. They inherited Minolta's patents and made the first stabilised FF camera (way back in 2008) as well as the smallest aps-c camera with IBIS.

They remain one of only two manufacturers (the other being Pentax) who offer both FF and aps-c IBIS systems and have made more cameras with IBIS than any other manufacturer.
Its a foregone conclusion Canon will crush Sony in this area. And from the early reports, it most certainly is.
'Crush Sony'?

Oh dear. Back to playing with your action figures.
 
... Sony needs to forget the S and R lines and combine them together to make a true power horse against the R5. Maybe the future Sony R Mark V can change it.

A lot of people demand a high-end camera with both stills and video pro features. At the moment, you have to choose, one or another.

I asked Sony to do this before launching the R4 and many of your criticized me.

The war is over if Sony doesn't open its eyes and reacts. Lots of people will move towards Canon thanks to the marketing campaign around the new R installments.
I agree. Maybe Sony can make a camera similar to the R5
but I bet they can't do anything about the IBIS since of the mount size flaw.
Canon IBIS without lens communication is about the same as Sony, I see it goes to 6 steps with the 100-500mm lens (which has IS too), and Sony gets 5.5 stops without cooperation with the lens.

So, Sony can still improve the IBIS by having both the body and lens work together, just like Panasonic and Canon, and get 2 extra stops, which would bring it to 7.5 stops.
Time to move on for video shooter I guess.
 
... Sony needs to forget the S and R lines and combine them together to make a true power horse against the R5. Maybe the future Sony R Mark V can change it.

A lot of people demand a high-end camera with both stills and video pro features. At the moment, you have to choose, one or another.

I asked Sony to do this before launching the R4 and many of your criticized me.

The war is over if Sony doesn't open its eyes and reacts. Lots of people will move towards Canon thanks to the marketing campaign around the new R installments.
I don't know what Sony needs to do, that's Sony's business. I just know now there is camera out there I like it a lot, I have been playing with the R already but it lacks some feature and focusing system compare to my current 7RIV, but love it's ergonomics, so now with the R5, I think it addressed all the issues such as eye-focus, resolution......., so I know what will be my next camera now. I am multiple system user so I have lots of Canon lenses in the house already, i just need to pick up a body, maybe with a few F1.2 RF series primes then I am all set.
 
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Sony's problem is they took their eye off the ball

Aside from the impressive features, one thing stands out big time. The body and design of the Canon is just light years ahead of Sony, it looks comfortable to hold and excellent control placement/grip
That's one of the main reason I always want to get back to Canon and Nikon system, both R and Z bodies just feels so much more comfortable to shoot with, I am pretty sure this will be my next camera purchase.
 
I agree. Maybe Sony can make a camera similar to the R5 but I bet they can't do anything about the IBIS since of the mount size flaw. Time to move on for video shooter I guess.
How do mount diameter affect the effectiveness of IBIS? How much coarse movement do you think IBIS can handle?
Not much, but Sony already stretched the mount to the max by making it full frame
Obviously not, since they were able to add IBIS subsequently.
lol.
Glad you're enjoying yourself, but the picture you keep posting proves only that you don't understand how optics work.
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Obviously they could add “8 stop” ibis, but there would be shading in the corners potentially
You're assuming facts not in evidence.

Based on the laws of physics it seems unlikely that 8-stop IBIS uses greater lateral movement of the sensor. Whatever Canon is doing is impressive, but your assertions that Sony could not do it are improbable - and (at least at this point) without foundation.
I am not interested in forum wars, so do forgive me that this will be my last post on this subjected.



a narrow mount will limit the angles from which light will hit the sensor. This will limit the f number physically. It is very similar to vignetting, but not quite the same - because with vignetting, you usually talk about a gradual drop off. Here it is a sharp barrier (that will look gradual on the image, unless stopped down).



it is already an issue with some lenses, the 24-105 springs to mind, but whether or not it is because of the mount diameter may not be clearly inferred. It will obviously be more of an issue with faster lenses, but that has not prevented Sony from having fast lenses. Nevertheless, anecdotally, it does seem like Sony is struggling more with vignetting, which is likely lens mount shading.



obviously if you move the sensor around, you need a larger imaging circle, and a larger imaging circle, is harder without a larger mount diameter. Hence the connection. Whether the “8 stop” vs “5 stop” canon Sony different marketing is related to mount diameter, is not known. But it could be. It definitely seems like the larger relative mount and smaller sensor of mft has been helpful to ibis. So it may be related or may not be. At some point thought, the mount diameter would be a limitation for Sony ibis. Given that Sony is so close to the physical sensor size in mount diameter, it does not seem unlikely that it is related. And there is certainly no evidence, that I have seen, to suggest it is unrelated.

On balance, a large mount diameter is preferable, unless one consistently use smaller lenses. In addition to the advantages noted above, it allows for a sturdier connection between lens and body. Moreover, it avoids throating on the lens, which also requires more engineering. Finally it gives some flexibility in future design changes.



sure mount size has been overhyped as a disadvantage/advantage, but I think it likely that those who designed new mounts chose their parameters for a reason

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In short, the performance on this camera would have to be out of this world for me to be tempted to leave Sony for Canon, and so far, Canon doesn't have a track record of exceptional sensor performance. I have shot Canon, Nikon and Sony, and feel no brand loyalty, so let's see what happens.
We use what we like, and I don't think jumping ship for just a new camera body is wise, unless we have very specialized needs.

Just wanting the latest and best don't make us better photographers or videographers.
I have never seen such a bunch of nervous and insecure people like in these forums, no matter the brand. As soon as company A has on paper a product that might be a tiny bit better than the products from company B, their whole world seems to fall apart.
 
I love some of the RF lenses Canon have produced (but not their prices), the R6 looks like the more attractive option than the R5 to me. When I get an 8k tv in a few years, they’ll be better (and cheaper) 8k cameras available by then.

Den
Just out of curiosity, which lenses call to you? Looking at the non f/2 zooms, they all have counterparts in the Sony system which seem as good or better and are smaller and usually cheaper. I do like the 35/1.8 and 85/2, but not enough to invest in another system for, and the 28-70/2 is just too large to consider carrying around (for me, YMMV). Not contradicting, just curious.
I’m impressed with the 28-70 f2 (though not practical), the 50mm f1.2, the 70-200 f2.8 and the 85mm f1.2 DS. They are incredibly good lenses, but all pricey as hell.

Den
You have picked some of their most impressive lenses for sure. But I don't think I would carry the 28-70/2 or the large 1.2 primes, and honestly if I were going to go for any huge 1.2 prime, I would want the Sigma 35/1.2, as I love that focal length more than 50 or 85 (although I do understand the desire if you are a dedicated portrait shooter). I would also rather have the tiny Tamron 70-180/2.8 then the Canon 70-200/2.8 which is much heavier and more expensive (although impressively short for a 70-200/2.8 zoom).

I am not trying to convince you, I am wondering aloud. I actually have this idea in my head that Canon is putting out the best lenses in the business, which I think comes from their last crop of DSLR lenses. The 24-70/2.8, 16-35/2.8 and 11-24/4 were amazing and leaders in their range, but when it comes to mirrorless mounts, I no longer find them at the head of the competition, and their mirrorless lenses are comparatively heavy. Their 15-35/2.8 is heavier than any UWA zoom on Sony - including the 16-35/2.8 and Sigma 14-24/2.8 - except for the new 12-24/2.8. The Canon 24-70/2.8 is heavier than the excellent Sigma 24-70/2.8 I use (and way heavier than the Tamron, I think its about equal to the GM). I already noted the Sigma Art primes and the Tamron 70-180/2.8 zoom compared to those you mentioned (if I want stellar prime performance and don't mind size, the Sigma 28 and 40 are excellent, and Canon cannot match lenses like the 20G, 24GM and 135GM).

In short, the performance on this camera would have to be out of this world for me to be tempted to leave Sony for Canon, and so far, Canon doesn't have a track record of exceptional sensor performance. I have shot Canon, Nikon and Sony, and feel no brand loyalty, so let's see what happens.
TBH, I much prefer compact/light lenses, but you gotta hand it to Canon for producing some amazing RF lenses.

The Sigma FE 35mm f1.2 is definitely up there as one of the best for FE mount. The problem for me, is if I owned it I’d rarely use it. It would spend most of its life sitting on a shelf at home because of its weight and size.

Den
Same here, I love 28-35 as a focal length (prefer 28 a bit more), but the 28/1.4 Art or 35/1.2 Art is just too big for the kind of shooting I do with primes (street mostly). Same would be true for the RF lenses you noted. Ultimately Sony is still the king when it comes to lenses so far, I would love to see them come out with a new 24-70/2.8 that's both reasonably small and excellent, but for now I am super happy with the Sigma 24-70/2.8 DG DN.

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i like the canon lenses from an engineering perspective:

the 100-500

The 28-70 f2

from a wallet perspective I prefer the Sony 12-24 and 200-600. And I guess the canon 35 is
 
I am not interested in forum wars, so do forgive me that this will be my last post on this subjected.

a narrow mount will limit the angles from which light will hit the sensor. This will limit the f number physically. It is very similar to vignetting, but not quite the same - because with vignetting, you usually talk about a gradual drop off. Here it is a sharp barrier (that will look gradual on the image, unless stopped down).
Actually it's the ratio of mount diameter to flange distance that matters. With the FE mount, it's theoretically possible to achieve f0.65 about.
it is already an issue with some lenses, the 24-105 springs to mind, but whether or not it is because of the mount diameter may not be clearly inferred. It will obviously be more of an issue with faster lenses, but that has not prevented Sony from having fast lenses.
Nevertheless, anecdotally, it does seem like Sony is struggling more with vignetting, which is likely lens mount shading.
I don't know about that, looking at Nikon's recent 20mm f1.8 vs Sony's version, the Nikon suffers from way more vignetting and also is much softer at the edges (and also more CA, but that's another issue). However, Nikon has the largest mount, so what happening? It seems like the mount has no impact here.
obviously if you move the sensor around, you need a larger imaging circle, and a larger imaging circle, is harder without a larger mount diameter. Hence the connection. Whether the “8 stop” vs “5 stop” canon Sony different marketing is related to mount diameter, is not known. But it could be. It definitely seems like the larger relative mount and smaller sensor of mft has been helpful to ibis. So it may be related or may not be. At some point thought, the mount diameter would be a limitation for Sony ibis. Given that Sony is so close to the physical sensor size in mount diameter, it does not seem unlikely that it is related. And there is certainly no evidence, that I have seen, to suggest it is unrelated.
On balance, a large mount diameter is preferable, unless one consistently use smaller lenses. In addition to the advantages noted above, it allows for a sturdier connection between lens and body. Moreover, it avoids throating on the lens, which also requires more engineering. Finally it gives some flexibility in future design changes.
I see there's some confusion. Larger mount has 2 advantages when it comes to IBIS:

1) ability to work at longer focal lengths, so where Sony's IBIS would stop being effective at 150mm, Nikon's IBIS would still work up to 200mm, something like that.

2) video stabilization, where more movement is happening, a larger mount has the benefit.

However, a larger mount doesn't magically give more stops, Sony's IBIS is 5.5 stops even at 20mm, not because of the mount diameter (it's more than enough for a 20mm lens), but because the IBIS system is not fast enough (either the gyros respond too slow, or the mechanism cannot move the mass fast enough, or both). A larger mount won't solve any of those issues.

By the way, if you need more proof, just look at Sony's APS-C bodies, the A6600, it has 5 stops IBIS, however the mount is HUGE relative to the sensor size.

Now how does Canon or Panasonic get more stops on FF? Simply because the lens AND the body work in tandem. Sony and Nikon are not doing this yet. They're letting the lens IS handle 2 axes, so the body only handles 3 axes, but Canon/Panasonic combine them instead.
sure mount size has been overhyped as a disadvantage/advantage, but I think it likely that those who designed new mounts chose their parameters for a reason
Canon RF mount has exactly the same diameter as the EF mount, which was made when nobody even thought about IBIS, so that specific diameter had nothing to do with IBIS.
 
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Interesting specs but for me the ugly camera body would be reason enough not to buy this camera.
Lol it's the body style people want, it's way way superior v Sony's boxes with buttons shoved on

Ergonomics isn't a strong point for Sony, they can't even figure out a fully articulating LCD Or touch screen controls. Sony got pwnd big time on this one. They kept re-hashing the same old stuff over and over. What they need is A mount style DSLR type bodies with great handling and controls oh and BTW they also have articulating LCD's

It's time for Sony to ditch their bad designs and move forward
Speak for yourself. IMO Canon body designs have been absolute disasters.
 

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