Buying options ?

I did find out how to change the set IBIS in the menu - but I know that there is a way to do this without menu diving but I forget how to do it - it involves pressing a button - “which button?” - selecting function and then spinning a wheel to select. Must re-read the manual ....

In any case “good thing” that I checked as I found that the camera with the perfect IBIS had been set for “50mm” And there was no obvious feedback visible on the camera body to tell me this. Luckily for most: if chipped oem M4/3 Lenses are used (Olympus or Panasonic) the IBIS is adjusted dynamically.

The E-M1 really is a nice camera, I quite like it despite its “different” interface.

Unlike the A7R which is too horrible for words. But it can take reasonably good images, or so those that advocate the FF sensor tell me. The pity is that I tend to enjoy the process on making images and no “more perfect” images can compensate for the frustration of using an awkward tool.
 
The Sony A7R that I bought infuriated me with its interface. The E-M1 is really benign and almost cuddly compared to it.
Yep Sony mk II or mk III variants did not work out so well for me either . Though I am sure others will love it
Since I posted the last comments I went back into the menu system of my E-M1 and figured out where I had put the focus peaking set button - not set always on or off like in the Panasonic menu system. And also the shoulder Fn1 button I have set to re-centre the wandering cursor to centre point as I am not used to arrow keys always moving it. Fn1 only works in AF mode and I had a MF lens attached to the camera body and had forgotten what it was supposed to be doing.

I have no idea if the IBIS is currently set to accommodate a 100mm focal length and I will have to remember the button wheel dance to check and set - there is no way I can look at a reference on the lcd to see what focal length the IBIS is currently set to.

Update: I had half remembered it was press “Info” and spin a wheel, but it is not working - maybe press another button? Maybe I should write it on the back of my hand in indelible ink?

I am sure a full time Olympus user user will set me right - some of them must use MF lenses and need to change their IBIS level :)
I can live with the menu as long as the ergonomics are good and Olympus seems to do almost as well as Panasonic here :-)

Meanwhile - it has been a while and the handshake to do this is not obvious to slow thinking folk like me.
I think when we use a certain bit of gear constantly we get into the auto pilot zone and don't have to think about it at all.
Half the issue with the Sony is that I knew the user interface was lousy because I had previously tried it and I simply thought that I could get used to it.
That is what I thought when I added the mk III , turns out I was wrong :-)

I had become desperate to find a way to use my EF mount lenses on something that was not a frequently updated expensive Canon dslr body. But no way have I ever become used to it - I try it again every now and then to see if I can bear it - it must be a Scottish thing to have such a short fuse with poor interfaces ....
I am in the same boat with DXO photolab every time I see it getting praised here . It also does a great job with Nikon Z especially the 14-30mm . I download the latest trial [ I have tried just about every version } I use it the results are good but the interface bugs me and off it goes till the next time .
When I drive a different vehicle I adapt to where all the controls are in minutes - why should it be so hard with a camera body made by another brand?

And that was before I found out how terrible the A7R low light performance was and the fact that it died a complete death with my EF mount lenses and Metabones adapters when the light was less than perfect. Only so-slow in better light and I only found out later that this was all down to Sony CDAF performance - the A7RII PDAF was apparently much better with adapted EF lenses but I did not get that far.

I found my NEX6 nicer to use and more EF lens friendly than the later A7R body I bought with expectations that it might have been superior - it wasn’t.

Brian Caldwell gave Sony backhanded praise on a forum by saying that the Metabones AF speeds on the A7RII were now almost as good as they were on M4/3 bodies :)

Luckily Panasonic CDAF is much better than Sony CDAF as the EF mount lenses work acceptably well on my Panasonic bodies - even with the GM5. Sony surely needed PDAF to get them out of their CDAF hole.
For my shooting I use S-AF and find Panasonic to be excellent same with Nikon z basically instantaneous . In video the only area where I would consider C-AF i use manual focus as it is one less variable to think about.

Who knows Tom with Panasonic's random number generating model naming , maybe the rumoured G100 will be a real GX8 II or for you a wee GM5 II . Or perhaps an E-M1X behemoth one never knows with Panasonic :-)
 
All sound smart advice ,my main gripe with my otherwise { for me :-) } near perfect GX8 is the IBIS I do a decent amount of video and it is a bit of a disadvantage in thate area . It is hardly a matter of life death , really only a desire for a better performance mainly in this one area. I will think about it for a while. The problem these days is finding a bad camera :-)
I hear you. Really, I have started to find that differences are more nit-picky than anything else, at least with how and what I shoot.
I have decided that my FF kit will be dedicated to landscape and macro , I am waiting to see what nikon can do with their upcoming { who knows when :-) } 14-24mm Z lens . The 14-24mm g along with my wee Panasonic 20mm are my most loved and most used lenses . i have had the 14-24mm since it came out in 2007 and it was a big jump in UWA at the time. So given the larger mount, mirrorless and 13yrs newer tech I have very high hopes for the z version I have the 90mm Sony macro from my dabble in Sony land and it works wonderfully on the TZE-01
Oh, I loved my 90mm Sony macro. It was the only thing about the A7 kit I had that I regretted not being able to use on anything else when I sold that system. My favorite macro ever, actually. Of course, when I sold it, the Z series was over 2 years off, still....
So m43 will be my general use for everything else including video. Most of my lenses like the 12-35 & 35-100mm F/2.8 pair, 14-140 and 100-300mm are all first gen versions. So i may take the opportunity to rationalise my lens options at the same time. I tend to put things off , I still have half a dozen Sony FF bits to sell off they sit on the shelf next to me waiting for some attention since the Z7 came out . I appreciate yours and everyone else's take on the matter lots of well thought out pros and cons and a few wee snippets that I had not noticed in the reviews.
M43 really is pretty versatile for a general use small system. Really can't beat the lens options for a small system, too; I think that's its real strength.

As to the lenses...I had all of those first gen ones except the 35-100mm. Sold every one of them off (the 14-140mm went a long time ago, but the other two went last year). I DID just rebuy the 12-35mm, Mk II this time, and it is just as good as I remember the old one, but with perhaps a little bit tweaked color and faster AF. Still has flare though in just the right light :) but that never bothered me on the old one, so hey...Definitely a lens I am happy to have back in the fold. As to the 100-300mm? I have to say, the Mk II, at least my copy of it, is a whole lot better than the original version. MUCH better OIS, but also less CA and at least my copy is sharper out at 300mm than the old one. And faster AF.

Not going to replace the 45mm macro or 25mm f1.4, though, even though there are upgraded Mk II versions of those, too. I have other macro options and I just never used the 25mm focal length, so...The hardest lens to get rid of, for me, was the PL 100-400mm, by the way. However, I decided that even though I love long shooting, since this was going to be my lightweight second system, I would sell it and just use the 100-300mm II instead. Oddly enough, no regrets. I prefer to keep my lens weight and size down, and that was a major consideration when I sold it (not to mention needing the $ to pay for the RP system at the time....)

I did just spring for the PL 50-200mm f2.8-4, however, as there was a huge deal on it with the 2x teleconverter. I am not sure if I will like it or not, however, as the reviews of the 2x TC are pretty awful with it (and the 1.4tc is no longer available in the US). However, if it DOES work for me, its size is much closer to the 100-300mm than the 100-400mm, and it might be a very versatile option in a focal range I don't already have. And, if not, I can return it (although I really don't like to do that). If it does work out, though, I will definitely need to get that M system gear up on Ebay....gotta pay for it somehow :)

Good luck with your decision! I know the video aspect does make waiting a lot harder...but I'd still think about holding off til at least there are some announcements of what might be in the pipeline.

-J
 
Tom, i pulled out my neglected A7rii for some night photography in Abu Dhabi last night. Just took 2 small sony primes: 50f1.8 and 28f2.

Results were much compromised by shallow DoF (wide open) and poor AF! Much of this my fault as a result of being rusty, and trusting the camera too much )-;
 
I did find out how to change the set IBIS in the menu - but I know that there is a way to do this without menu diving but I forget how to do it - it involves pressing a button - “which button?” - selecting function and then spinning a wheel to select. Must re-read the manual ....

In any case “good thing” that I checked as I found that the camera with the perfect IBIS had been set for “50mm” And there was no obvious feedback visible on the camera body to tell me this. Luckily for most: if chipped oem M4/3 Lenses are used (Olympus or Panasonic) the IBIS is adjusted dynamically.

The E-M1 really is a nice camera, I quite like it despite its “different” interface.

Unlike the A7R which is too horrible for words. But it can take reasonably good images, or so those that advocate the FF sensor tell me. The pity is that I tend to enjoy the process on making images and no “more perfect” images can compensate for the frustration of using an awkward tool.
yep. Me2!
 
Quite a collection of personal attacks and your opinions being posted as facts there Tom .

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I figured it out again:

Easy steps:

1) First remember that you have to change the IBIS focal length if you swap in a MF lens with a different focal length.

2) If the SCP is not showing - toggle it on with the dedicated button.

3) On the bottom left hand corner the set IBIS method will be shown - default is “S-ISAuto” carefully aim at this box and quickly “double click” with your finger. If successful the box with light up.

4) Press “OK” - you will now be able to see the set IBIS focal length. If it is correct you can exit this screen. Probably by soft press. If you wish to change it then ...

5) Press “Info” and the set focal length will be highlighted.

6) Use the left/right arrow keys to change the set IBIS focal length.

I might be easier just to access the Menu.

Panasonic?

It will sense that there is a manual lens on board and automatically nag you:

1) “Current focal length setting ###mm, change it?”

2) Left arrow = Yes, OK or soft press and the nag goes away.

3) If left arrow then moves to a new screen and allows the focal length to be changed.

Nagging can be a pest but it is easily satisfied and it can be good to be reminded and the updating is as easy as.

Both Panasonic and Olympus auto-set IBIS level with oem and third party chipped lenses - so if you never use a dumb MF lens then you will never need to worry about not having the correct IBIS setting for your attached lens.
 
Quite a collection of personal attacks and your opinions being posted as facts there Tom .
Just correcting a post that was put forward as making a deal killer. Is it regular practice of an experienced photographer to keep his camera in switched on state when it is placed in his carry bag? You were the one that called him a hack.

I stand by my assertion that the first impression of the G9 shutter is that it has a very light action but anyone who has used it for more than a short time must soon get to understand it. I am sorry that you found it a deal killer but suggest that you could hardly have had time to properly come to terms with the camera and your little stories seem designed solely to trash the G9.

My G9 was bought sight unseen out of the first batch delivered in Australia - I admitted that the shutter release seemed very light at first attempt but I became used to it quite quickly. That I now appreciate its lightness and smooth action is something known to me and not Just an opinion borne out by the fact that I still have it, still use it, and it was no deal killer.

As far as the evf is concerned - dpreview stated that it was the best evf yet and if the slight pincushion troubled anyone then there is a little button on the side of the evf that adjusts the size of the display which will correct it by making the image smaller.

I thought my post was made in good humour and I am sorry if they you have regarded them as personal attacks. I apologise.

But opinions as facts? They were no more that refutations of your opinions that were put forward as fact, which were based on my own personal experience over a considerable period of ownership of this camera body.
 
James, i am strongly convinced that there is little or no reason to update Lumix lenses to Gen2!
I don't agree, actually, but that depends a bit on your usage.

The thing is, for video work, the improved OIS, and AF, and operating noise, are significant differences that make upgrades of at least some of these beneficial.

In terms of the 100-300mm, the MkII solved all of the issues people had with the first version, and it is indeed a substantial improvement all around (having used both, the MkII really is a much better lens).

The 12-35mm is much smoother on IS on video, and I think focusing also may be. There's a comparison video out from a couple of years ago that shows the those differences in that lens, but I don't have the link offhand.

The newer 14-140mm has some issues of its its own, so that's one I wouldn't upgrade.

So, it depends a bit on your shooting as to whether the updates are worth it, but for video they may well be.

-J
 
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Quite a collection of personal attacks and your opinions being posted as facts there Tom .
Just correcting a post that was put forward as making a deal killer
it didn`t need "Correcting" ....... as I said FOR ME
. Is it regular practice of an experienced photographer to keep his camera in switched on state when it is placed in his carry bag? You were the one that called him a hack.
yes it is and Hack is a common UK term for a working press photographer "Press hack"
I stand by my assertion that the first impression of the G9 shutter is that it has a very light action but anyone who has used it for more than a short time must soon get to understand it.
Anyone is a big assumption . one guy went to back button focus because of it, another uses gloves and ditched it, others the same as me routinely use other cameras with a decent amount half press travel so found it a pain
I am sorry that you found it a deal killer but suggest that you could hardly have had time to properly come to terms with the camera and your little stories seem designed solely to trash the G9.
Ahhh- I see all this is coming from aggressive Purchase defence, of course, the DP review tradition ....... I guess the "Stories" about the fantastic ergonomics and top LCD and SAF accuracy are also "solely designed to trash the G9" too ? ........ Tom I expected more from you than this i really did .......
known to me and not Just an opinion borne out by the fact that I still have it, still use it, and it was no deal killer.
Well it is for some of us and it needs pointing out in threads like these ...
As far as the evf is concerned - dpreview stated that it was the best evf yet
I couldn`t care a toss what DPreview said , they also said it goes low resolution when in the half press (I didn`t see that either) , I`m not the only one to see the blurry corners, I find them really distracting - all they needed to do was copy the GH5 and all would have been well
I thought my post was made in good humour and I am sorry if they you have regarded them as personal attacks. I apologise.
Putting smilies into attacks doesn`t make good humour Tom, I don`t see any in the further attacks above ,,,,,, as I said, I do expect stuff like this on DPR but not from you ..... no problem lets move on
considerable period of ownership of this camera body.
A whole day with the G9 was enough for me .. if it had the GH5 shutter button and EVF I`d still have it .TBH I could probably reluctantly put up with the EVF but the shutter button , no way , Fuji offer an adjustment service for the XH1`s almost as light action , sadly panasonic don`t

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