Harold66
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sorry can you tell me the problem with this rear dial ?
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I'm rather partial to Panasonic products, but damn, that EM5-3 does make a very strong case for itself. As does the EM1-3. But that's a discussion for another time & place.
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Raist3d
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Basically it becomes "stuttery". For example let's say that you press PLAY to see a picture taken and you want to zoom in the shot. You sometimes slide/rotate the rear dial to zoom in and it doesn't respond in one click, but responds on the next click. Then maybe its ok for two clicks but the next click the camera reacts as if you moved the dial in the opposite direction. Sometimes rotating the dial in this fashion will make the picture then zoom in/ out ("Sutter") while you try to zoom in.
Any adjustment shows the issue too. Let's say you are trying to adjust the aperture- you rotate the dial quick and you may get one 1/3rd of a stop to register as a change, but two clicks ignored. Then sometimes you get 1/3rd of a stop in the wrong direction, then back to the right direction (two clicks total).
It's very very annoying. For my GX850 this happened alarmingly fast with the menu-button rear wheel to the point of rendering that camera near unusable. With the GX9 at least for the most part I can use the front dial for adjustments which works fine. But it's annoying when reviewing photos or converting raws in camera.
Panasonic needs to fix this kind of thing.
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Harold66
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ok. Thanks for the explanation :-D
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Raist3d
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It's a mind blowin-gly annoying engineering design issue. It makes a "perfectly reliable" camera unreliable. Panasonic usually does produce with pretty good quality. It shocks me they missed this.
Harold66
Forum Pro
I wonder how many users had that issue on the rear dial ? maybe it was from one batch of cameras ?
I asked because I never heard of this issue before today ..:-O
jeffharris
Forum Pro
I think the GH-series, EM1-series and G-series cameras negate that point. Not everyone wants a small camera with cramped controls.
The GX8 is NOT a large camera. Just 1/4” taller (6mm) and 1/2” (9mm) wider with a slightly bigger grip. External controls are more generous and it’s a premium build, not mid-range like the GX7 series, although the original GX7 was definitely higher quality than the rather cheap GX85 or GX9. Many prefer the solid build quality of the GX8.
Are the Sony and Fuji APSC bodies weathersealed? I think not.
The GX7-series are decent enough cameras. Some of us want a bit more.
With the longer (4 years or so) life cycles of cameras these days, leapfrogging model refreshes makes sense. High-end and mid-range rangefinders can definitely co-exist, G9 and G95 manage it. EM1, EM5 and EM10 somehow coexist.
Rmark
Senior Member
An updated GX8 would be ideal fo me as well. I think a tilt screen would be handier, but actually am ok if they stay with the articulating one.
PDAF, would be a big improvement, it’s a fairly common technology now, not sure why Panasonic is avoiding it. Improved IBIS and weather sealing would be nice. Im ok with the grip on the GX8, but if it were a little deeper I’d be ok with that as well. If it allowed a bigger battery that would make it worthwhile.
Not big on video, but if they want to be competitive, improved video specs are likely essential. If they keep the FAS, then moving the ports to the other side would help.
PDAF, would be a big improvement, it’s a fairly common technology now, not sure why Panasonic is avoiding it. Improved IBIS and weather sealing would be nice. Im ok with the grip on the GX8, but if it were a little deeper I’d be ok with that as well. If it allowed a bigger battery that would make it worthwhile.
Not big on video, but if they want to be competitive, improved video specs are likely essential. If they keep the FAS, then moving the ports to the other side would help.
rashid7
Veteran Member
As an early adopter of GX8, i loved the speed, quality of build, ergo's, and esp EVF. Size was fine, and though the grip could be better 'sculpted', its not bad. The sensor was good, and IBIS, though not competitive w/ Olympus, was a nice extra.
What I couldn't abide was the lack of stabilization (other than OIS) during 4K video. I sold it and got a GX85 which had a very nice improvement in video stab.
I bought another GX8, used, 3 yrs ago. Lovely camera! It only needs some software upgrades, the softer shutter for those specialized times when E-shutter won't do, and of course, the latest IBIS. If it did AF like the G9, i would be quite satisfied! Hi-rez would be an added bonus = a priority for me.
But it ain't gonna happen )-;
MrALLCAPS
Senior Member
I stand corrected Mr Harris, my XPro2 is slightly larger than the GX8, even though the GX8's grip sticks out longer. Pardon me for the mis-information.
https://camerasize.com/compare/#650,629
I would still prefer the GX8 size with the FF sensor and leave the GX7 series the size it is now with weather sealing.
The new P/L25mm is weather sealed, so fingers crossed that the GX7 MkIV will be too.
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