What is a good flash for the EOS R?

I made an earlier post regarding the 430EXIII-RT and I should have also added that one of it's features is that you can fully control it from the cameras menu system even via the EVF. This is about the only way I use the thing. I don't think you can do this with the Godox, etc. but they have other benefits that others have pointed out.
 
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I heard a few people talk about the Godox V860II I don’t know much about flashes but would like to buy something I can grow into. I know cannon makes many as well. Any suggestions would be great.
It looks like everyone favors the Chinese flashes -- can't beat them for the price, I guess.

FWIW: I picked up the Canon 430EXIII-RT specifically to carry in my small camera bag with the EOS R kit. It is not as big as the 600-RT and works well. I chose this because I had a pair of 600-RT's already and if I were going to add another flash, I wanted to be able to use it as an additional light (taking advantage of the radio control features) with the lights I already while saving a bit on size and weight.

I would recommend the 430 as a good match for this body for those who are trying to hold the weight and bulk down.
this would be my first flash. I certainly appreciate all the advice
 
I made an earlier post regarding the 430EXIII-RT and I should have also added that one of it's features is that you can fully control it from the cameras menu system even via the EVF. This is about the only way I use the thing. I don't think you can do this with the Godox, etc. but they have other benefits that others have pointed out.
I can control my Godox TT-685-C (or even remotely using the X2T-C trigger controlled from camera menu) from my 6D ii menu, so I assume it would work via the EVF as well.

I would not swear to it that every option on the flash can be controlled from camera (I haven't had it very long and haven't used it extensively yet), but certainly the main ones (power, HSS, FEC etc).

Colin
 
I made an earlier post regarding the 430EXIII-RT and I should have also added that one of it's features is that you can fully control it from the cameras menu system even via the EVF. This is about the only way I use the thing. I don't think you can do this with the Godox, etc. but they have other benefits that others have pointed out.
I can control my Godox TT-685-C (or even remotely using the X2T-C trigger controlled from camera menu) from my 6D ii menu, so I assume it would work via the EVF as well.

I would not swear to it that every option on the flash can be controlled from camera (I haven't had it very long and haven't used it extensively yet), but certainly the main ones (power, HSS, FEC etc).

Colin
That's good if the third party flashes can do that. It is a handy feature.
 
I made an earlier post regarding the 430EXIII-RT and I should have also added that one of it's features is that you can fully control it from the cameras menu system even via the EVF. This is about the only way I use the thing. I don't think you can do this with the Godox, etc. but they have other benefits that others have pointed out.
As has been noted, the Godox speedlights can be controlled by the camera menus, as can Yongnuo's RT clone and 500-series and later eTTL-II models. I'm pretty sure Sigma, Metz, Nissin for-Canon models do, too. This is pretty common with current 3rd-party flash models. But some of the more esoteric features may be missing.

Granted, Canon service and warranty repair have absolutely no competition from the Godox side, where you're relying on a retailer to cover the warranty period with replacements. If you want CPL-like service, Godox ain't it. OTOH, if you're only a hobbyist shooter who wants to play Strobist for not much cash, it can be just the ticket.

OEM Canon speedlights also have a few features you won't find on the Godox ones: Ext.M/Ext.A [autothyristor], and TTL [film] metering modes vs. eTTL-II switching tends not to be available, only Yongnuo has replicated the flash-as-shutter-remote functionality, and Godox uses two-digit ID codes, not four-digit, and doesn't do a radio channel graph. You also can't do remote wake-up with Godox, which is a serious PITA they really need to fix. Also, OEM flashes tend to have better head rotation/locking, better AF-assist and more accurate/consistent TTL performance. But the 3rd-parties are generally good enough, if not identical.

Where Godox has Canon beat is, however, is that they have li-on versions of all their AA-powered speedlights, do 2nd-curtain over radio, the "Pro" transmitters allow for TTL locking (being able to convert a TTL-set power level to the equivalent M power setting to lock the flash exposure), cross-brand TTL/HSS support for five other brands (Nikon, Sony, Fuji, Olympus/Panasonic, and Pentax), and the ability to remotely control/integrate studio strobes (both battery-powered and A/C powered). Also all Godox speedlights have S1/S2 "dumb" optical slave modes. The TT685-C and V860II-C, in addition, do master/slave in Canon's smart optical system.

Godox also make a $60 single-pin radio-controlled speedlight, the TT600, which allows for remote M group/power control and HSS as a radio slave. Handy, if you want to put together a four- or five-light off-camera setup on the cheap, or you may possibly be putting a flash in a situation where it could be destroyed [say testing an underwater housing or whether you can light with a drone and you might be reluctant to risk a 600EX-RT] :). It's the current weapon-of-choice for the Strobist.

If your main usage for a speedlight is off-camera lighting, and you want expansion options that include larger barebulb flashes or studio strobes, then Godox is a better choice than Canon's RT options which are speedlight-only, or force you to much more expensive still-third-party options for studio strobes (e.g., Jinbei TR strobes or Phottix Indra). And, as a hobbyist without the need for backup gear, Godox can be a no-brainer. Particularly if you shoot more than one system, since Canon RT speedlights are only TTL/HSS with Canon cameras.

If your main usage for a speedlight is on-camera bounce for event shooting, then it may be that an OEM speedlight makes more sense, with the exception of whether you need the longer life of the li-on battery in a Godox V1 or V860II. A lot of all-day event (wedding) shooters do, and prefer the packs to drowning in AAs. Each li-on pack has 2.7x the capacity of a set of 4xAAs, so basically one li-on pack = 12xAAs; and it's kind of the equivalent of having an 8xAA external battery pack built in.
 
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I made an earlier post regarding the 430EXIII-RT and I should have also added that one of it's features is that you can fully control it from the cameras menu system even via the EVF. This is about the only way I use the thing. I don't think you can do this with the Godox, etc. but they have other benefits that others have pointed out.
As has been noted, the Godox speedlights can be controlled by the camera menus, as can Yongnuo's RT clone and 500-series and later eTTL-II models. I'm pretty sure Sigma, Metz, Nissin for-Canon models do, too. This is pretty common with current 3rd-party flash models. But some of the more esoteric features may be missing.

Granted, Canon service and warranty repair have absolutely no competition from the Godox side, where you're relying on a retailer to cover the warranty period with replacements. If you want CPL-like service, Godox ain't it. OTOH, if you're only a hobbyist shooter who wants to play Strobist for not much cash, it can be just the ticket.

OEM Canon speedlights also have a few features you won't find on the Godox ones: Ext.M/Ext.A [autothyristor], and TTL [film] metering modes vs. eTTL-II switching tends not to be available, only Yongnuo has replicated the flash-as-shutter-remote functionality, and Godox uses two-digit ID codes, not four-digit, and doesn't do a radio channel graph. You also can't do remote wake-up with Godox, which is a serious PITA they really need to fix. Also, OEM flashes tend to have better head rotation/locking, better AF-assist and more accurate/consistent TTL performance. But the 3rd-parties are generally good enough, if not identical.

Where Godox has Canon beat is, however, is that they have li-on versions of all their AA-powered speedlights, do 2nd-curtain over radio, the "Pro" transmitters allow for TTL locking (being able to convert a TTL-set power level to the equivalent M power setting to lock the flash exposure), cross-brand TTL/HSS support for five other brands (Nikon, Sony, Fuji, Olympus/Panasonic, and Pentax), and the ability to remotely control/integrate studio strobes (both battery-powered and A/C powered). Also all Godox speedlights have S1/S2 "dumb" optical slave modes. The TT685-C and V860II-C, in addition, do master/slave in Canon's smart optical system.

Godox also make a $60 single-pin radio-controlled speedlight, the TT600, which allows for remote M group/power control and HSS as a radio slave. Handy, if you want to put together a four- or five-light off-camera setup on the cheap, or you may possibly be putting a flash in a situation where it could be destroyed [say testing an underwater housing or whether you can light with a drone and you might be reluctant to risk a 600EX-RT] :). It's the current weapon-of-choice for the Strobist.

If your main usage for a speedlight is off-camera lighting, and you want expansion options that include larger barebulb flashes or studio strobes, then Godox is a better choice than Canon's RT options which are speedlight-only, or force you to much more expensive still-third-party options for studio strobes (e.g., Jinbei TR strobes or Phottix Indra). And, as a hobbyist without the need for backup gear, Godox can be a no-brainer. Particularly if you shoot more than one system, since Canon RT speedlights are only TTL/HSS with Canon cameras.

If your main usage for a speedlight is on-camera bounce for event shooting, then it may be that an OEM speedlight makes more sense, with the exception of whether you need the longer life of the li-on battery in a Godox V1 or V860II. A lot of all-day event (wedding) shooters do, and prefer the packs to drowning in AAs. Each li-on pack has 2.7x the capacity of a set of 4xAAs, so basically one li-on pack = 12xAAs; and it's kind of the equivalent of having an 8xAA external battery pack built in.
The ability to interoperate with the bigger strobes, is a useful feature, IMO.
 
Canon 430 RT or 600RT (even used) or Profoto A1 if you want something well made and consistent, and will last. You can grow into it it it will last you several generations of camera bodies. Like a tripod, buy once and have no regrets.
I see the Canon AF TTL Speedlite 430EX III RT not a bad price. the 600RT is a bit pricey I guess the big question is what is the difference between theGodox V860II and canon 430 RT. and how tough it would be to add additional flashes later. I am certainly a novice on the flash stuff I am just starting my research
 
I heard a few people talk about the Godox V860II I don’t know much about flashes but would like to buy something I can grow into. I know cannon makes many as well. Any suggestions would be great.
The Godox V range are basically the rechargeable Li-ion battery version of the TT range at a much higher price. If budget is tight look at a TT658-C - it is basically a Godox equivalent of a Canon 600EX-RT and takes AA batteries. Li-ion is good for faster recycle times but it depends whether you need that or not.

You can also buy a Godox RT trigger relatively cheaply if that is something that interests you.

If in the US I think Adorama sells a rebranded version of the Godox stuff with US support.

Colin
I live in Thailand. What is the main difference between the Godox V860 and Canon 430EX III RT? The Canon is only about a $150 more or less in grey market shop.
 
Godox/Flashpoint vs Canon. Depends on what your use is. If its a main on camera flash I would choose either the Canon 600 Ex-RT or Godox TT685C because each can take off the shelf AA cells and an external battery pack like a CP-4 or which can take 8-AA cells or even a larger external Li-Ion pack because they have a port for the external connection.

The V860-C II and the V1 have great Li-on cells but won't attach to an external battery pack but you can buy extras if you need really long life.

The Godox/Flashpoint allow you to also use the same radio transmitter system for larger light like the AD200, AD360-II, AD400 Pro and even the AD600 and AD600 Pro. A good way to get larger light at a reasonable cost.

I believe there are some lights you can get that are compatible with the Canon RT system but I am not familiar with them. You can also buy Yong Nuo receivers that are RT compatible that you can attach to some flashes/strobes as well.

I use both systems. I started with Canon because back when the EX-RT came out there were no real competitors and they have lasted forever and been really robust.

Got involved with Godox/Flashpoint when I started shooting Sony along side my Canons and the Sony flashes had no radio capability. So I also got Canon compatible Godox master triggers that would work so I could then us the Godox/Flashpoint flashes with both systems.

Personally I prefer the Canon's quality a little better but would not hesitate to recommend the Godox/Flashpoint without much hesitation. The new Vi1 is improved on it quality and the new AD400 Pro large strobe is very niece as well.

Sorry for the long poist.
thanks it would be main flash on my camera now I am leaning towards the Godox V860II or Canon 430EX III RT I like the battery pack rather the then AA batteries. Plus the idea of cheaply adding more flashes. I am not sure what benefits the canon 430 would have.

thanks for the information
 
I was looking at the 430 canon. That is a great feature. i am trying to decide on the Canon 430EX III RT or the Godox V860II
 
I heard a few people talk about the Godox V860II I don’t know much about flashes but would like to buy something I can grow into. I know cannon makes many as well. Any suggestions would be great.
The Godox V range are basically the rechargeable Li-ion battery version of the TT range at a much higher price. If budget is tight look at a TT658-C - it is basically a Godox equivalent of a Canon 600EX-RT and takes AA batteries. Li-ion is good for faster recycle times but it depends whether you need that or not.

You can also buy a Godox RT trigger relatively cheaply if that is something that interests you.

If in the US I think Adorama sells a rebranded version of the Godox stuff with US support.

Colin
I live in Thailand. What is the main difference between the Godox V860 and Canon 430EX III RT? The Canon is only about a $150 more or less in grey market shop.
Best not to compare a Godox V860 with a Canon 430 EX iii RT. Apart from the obvious (brand) the biggest difference is that the Godox V860 has a large capacity rechargeable Lithium battery, and for that you are paying a significant premium.

If you want more of an apples vs apples (maybe pink lady vs granny smith) compare the Godox TT350-C with the Canon - both are powered by four AA batteries. I suspect you might find that the price difference is more significant.

For example, in Australia on Amazon a TT350 is AU$102 and the V860 ii is AU$281 and Canon 430EX iii-RT is around AU$400. So TT350 is about 25% of the Canon price and V860 ii is around 70% of the Canon price.

Colin
 
Thanks so the Godox can also be controlled by the camera menu system
 
Ok thanks. The Godox is looking more appealing
 
Ok thanks. The Godox is looking more appealing
The TT350 only takes 2 x AA vs the 430 which takes 4 x AA.

The Canon has a guide number of 141 vs 118 for the Godox TT350.

So the Canon will give you more power and more out put the Godox is fairly priced.

Key with both of these is do you want the smaller size and only you know that. I happen to own both small and large since there are situatons I want lighter carry and some where I want more light like an 600 EX-RT or V860II can give you,
 
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I was looking at the 430 canon. That is a great feature. i am trying to decide on the Canon 430EX III RT or the Godox V860II
Yea, I would certainly give the Godox stuff an honest look. Based on reading here and taking another look at it -- it has a lot to offer depending on what your goals are. I am pretty invested in Canon so that weighed heavily om my decision and when I started buying flashes, the Chinese stuff didn't have much to offer except a low price.
 
I heard a few people talk about the Godox V860II I don’t know much about flashes but would like to buy something I can grow into. I know cannon makes many as well. Any suggestions would be great.
It looks like everyone favors the Chinese flashes -- can't beat them for the price, I guess.

FWIW: I picked up the Canon 430EXIII-RT specifically to carry in my small camera bag with the EOS R kit. It is not as big as the 600-RT and works well. I chose this because I had a pair of 600-RT's already and if I were going to add another flash, I wanted to be able to use it as an additional light (taking advantage of the radio control features) with the lights I already while saving a bit on size and weight.

I would recommend the 430 as a good match for this body for those who are trying to hold the weight and bulk down.
I would agree....

If you are cash strapped, the chinese option will get you up and running fast. But if you are running a marathon, go with the canons. they tend to be more robust and instantly compatible with newer canon gear.

I have 5 of the original 600 RT with the radio remote. Yeah its proprietary radio and yes you can't fire non canon flashes with the same remote (unless its optical triggered), but they work, period. I had one fail, sent it to canon cps, they replaced a board for $114. Had them since they were introduced in 2012.

I also highly recommend the Rogue Flags grids and filters.

https://www.rogueflash.com/collecti...-honeycomb-grid-system-rogue-grid-gels-bundle

They travel with my speedlites wherever they go. It provides flexible light spread control and color temperature control with a very small footprint.

Next up is their flash benders:

https://www.rogueflash.com/collections/flashbender-v3

versatile light modifiers that are easy to store for travel. If you get only one, get the XL v3:

https://www.rogueflash.com/collections/flashbender-v3/products/flashbender-v3-xl-pro-lighting-system

Another versatile tool is the westcott rapid box beauty dish..

https://www.fjwestcott.com/rapid-box-switch-octa-s-with-speedlite-insert

Just a reminder that with all light modifiers, they will cut down on the amount of light that the speed light can output.

See all three in action on the image below! See descriptor for arrangement.

Used Westcott Rapidlight beauty dish for Key, Rouge flash bender XL with grid for rim at right, Rouge Flash grid for BG spotlight. Used 3 Canon canon speedlite 600ex-rt with the transmitter st-e3-rt
Used Westcott Rapidlight beauty dish for Key, Rouge flash bender XL with grid for rim at right, Rouge Flash grid for BG spotlight. Used 3 Canon canon speedlite 600ex-rt with the transmitter st-e3-rt
 
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The ability to interoperate with the bigger strobes, is a useful feature, IMO.
Exactly. Most speedlights/studio strobes, you can have remote power control over one or the other, but not both together. And Godox's studio strobe also come in Li-on battery-powered TTL/HSS versions as well as A/C manual-only ones that cost pretty much the same as a speedlight. And nobody else quite has an equivalent to the Godox AD200; a $300 li-on powered speedlight-sized mini-strobe with 3x the power output of a speedlight, the spread/even-ness of a bare bulb studio strobe with the bare bulb head, other optional interchangeable heads (including a round head that takes magnetic modifiers directly, and an extension head), and a dual bracket.

The cross-brand support, though, was what dragged me in when I switched from Canon to micro four-thirds mirrorless.

It's very nice to have a TT685-C $110 speedlight that's a TTL/HSS/power/group/zoom radio slave not only to an XPro-C on my 5DMk II, but also to the XPro-O on my Panasonic GX-7 and the Xpro-F on my Fuji X100T. I only had to rebuy whatever goes on the hotshoe, not the off-camera lights.
 
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Perhaps it should be mentioned that Canon also sells refurbished Speedlites along with refurbished lenses and cameras.

I picked mine up that way.
 

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