Qimage popularity?

Nawlins this , I may be wrong , makes me wonder why I would use it. I understand that it is not a RIP and uses the printers driver to spool the image to the printer . Of course it is a suite of efficient sharpening and sizing algorithms, combined with a fantastic layout ability ........... but to me I can get there with Photoshop and all its masking and layering far better.
Hello Ken. If Photoshop is what you’re used to and what you like, then just stay with it. I don’t know Photoshop (never worked with it).
I use DXO PL3 for raw development and then export tiff files to Qimage One. In my workflow, Qimage One is perfect. It’s a superb program for printing and printing only. I don’t think I would use all other options in Qimage Ultimate (I like DXO PL too much).

Maybe try the trial version.
 
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Hi Mujana , yes Photoshop I have used since the first versions , well before the arrival of undo's lol. I used to first use it to work with scans from my 5" x 4" film and Umax Powerlook scanner , so that I could layout clients brochures in Quark !

I can not see any chance of replacing over 30 years of familiarity and knowledge growth.

My main interest in any other printing software would be to try and see if the actual process of rasterising the data for print could be improved To be honest, as you can no doubt testify, with the Pro 1000 there can't be a lot of headroom for growth.
 
Thanks I might give it a try to see what it is about , but hand on heart , I have NEVER sent an image out to the A2 printer for a 17" x 25" print without masking and curving the screen image to suit the paper printed on .
Did I mention that QImage does full color management and soft proofing?
 
Hi thanks for the info , can you define full colour management ........... I would have thought that this is offered in all printing softwares , like DPP through Canon Print Pro and Photoshop.

I guess I will have to crack the egg and have a peek at this software , but have to say that I only print single images to large prints mostly , have a pretty good grasp of Photoshop and consider most forms of soft proofing I have seen thus far to be an interesting beginning to understanding , but hardly empirical evidence in a world that starts at 1 and ends at 254 .

When I setup an image I look closely at the numerical values in to info pallet of photoshop, sometimes gathering as much, if not more, evidence from these numbers as I do from gazing at the picture. When adding a layers curve and using the hand tool , I can see what part of the curve the tone applies to and see the numerical change that my pull brings. To me this is accurate, repeatable, evidential, empirical judgement of a numerical image............. soft proofing seems to lack this form of accuracy and relies on a guess and past knowledge of how a paper will perform . Considering the accuracy of the profile ( over 2000 patches) used to apply the proofing of the paper to the image , don't you think some sort of, these are the numbers you had , and this is what it will become, are sorely needed ? What about displaying two side by side numerically notated graphs , one showing the image and the other showing the paper profile applied . It strikes me that the bells and whistles makers of photo software have dozed in this area for a lot of time in favour of silly filters that last all of 48 hours before they are boring. Every soft proofing application I have seen applies a similar fog to the image hoping to encourage you to add depth to the darks and lift the mids ..possibly holding the highlights , exactly how far you do this seems far more an act of how it worked last print on that paper, rather than the first visual indication of the proofer.
 
Maybe Qimage does a fine job of output sharpening. But I don't know what it does, so I don't learn.

When I sharpen in Picture Window Pro and Raw Therapee, I know which algorithm was used and my settings. When I do local contrast enhancement - in PWP as bilateral sharpen, in RT as contrast by detail levels - I know which algorithm was used and my settings.

I've tried Qimage briefly on free trial twice over the years, got oversharpened output, but did not get invested in the program enough to try to solve that by trial and error.
 
George , I would much like to see any samples available with comparison. I however, shoot mostly on 50mp + and print to 17" , so resizing is mostly downward, and sharpening seems less an issue with the files from the 5DSR. Large prints , 17"x 25" mounted and framed to 23" x 30" ish are not going to be viewed from that close as to need intricate detail work beyond what exists naturally.
Here are pictures of a section of two 4" x 6" prints printed on Canon Paper Plus Glossy II with my Pro 100. The photo was sharpened for display in Lightroom, and then in the Print module I chose Standard print sharpening and Glossy paper. The other was exported to Qimage with no output sharpening, and simply printed in Qimage with standard settings.

My little digital microscope has a pretty poor auto white balance, so these two images look a little different color-wise. In reality, they are very close in appearance. What you can see, however, is how much better the structure of the Qimage print is. Look at them at full size for best results.



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Nawlins this , I may be wrong , makes me wonder why I would use it. I understand that it is not a RIP and uses the printers driver to spool the image to the printer . Of course it is a suite of efficient sharpening and sizing algorithms, combined with a fantastic layout ability ........... but to me I can get there with Photoshop and all its masking and layering far better.
Ken,

The advantage as I see it is that I only have to sharpen the image once. Then Qimage sharpens and resizes it for the whatever paper and size I choose to print at.

If you are proficient with Photoshop and understand how much more or less you have to sharpen when you switch papers or sizes, you can probably match Qimage. I believe you can do anything in Photoshop that you can in any other software if you know enough. With me, it was always trial and error, and I wasted a lot of paper. Perhaps if I didn't have Qimage I would have learned what I needed to do with my sharpening when I switched papers/sizes. :)

Lightroom simply doesn't give you enough output sharpening options if you are picky.

I believe Qimage resizes to 300/600 (Canon) and 360/720 (Epson) so the driver doesn't have to do that.
 
Hi thanks for the info , can you define full colour management ........... I would have thought that this is offered in all printing softwares , like DPP through Canon Print Pro and Photoshop.

I guess I will have to crack the egg and have a peek at this software , but have to say that I only print single images to large prints mostly , have a pretty good grasp of Photoshop and consider most forms of soft proofing I have seen thus far to be an interesting beginning to understanding , but hardly empirical evidence in a world that starts at 1 and ends at 254 .

When I setup an image I look closely at the numerical values in to info pallet of photoshop, sometimes gathering as much, if not more, evidence from these numbers as I do from gazing at the picture. When adding a layers curve and using the hand tool , I can see what part of the curve the tone applies to and see the numerical change that my pull brings. To me this is accurate, repeatable, evidential, empirical judgement of a numerical image............. soft proofing seems to lack this form of accuracy and relies on a guess and past knowledge of how a paper will perform . Considering the accuracy of the profile ( over 2000 patches) used to apply the proofing of the paper to the image , don't you think some sort of, these are the numbers you had , and this is what it will become, are sorely needed ? What about displaying two side by side numerically notated graphs , one showing the image and the other showing the paper profile applied . It strikes me that the bells and whistles makers of photo software have dozed in this area for a lot of time in favour of silly filters that last all of 48 hours before they are boring. Every soft proofing application I have seen applies a similar fog to the image hoping to encourage you to add depth to the darks and lift the mids ..possibly holding the highlights , exactly how far you do this seems far more an act of how it worked last print on that paper, rather than the first visual indication of the proofer.
Regarding Soft Proofing: In my opinion, Soft Proofing (in any software) will never be as revealing (and useful) as an actual Test Print.

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Panos , I know that you are a guy that looks long and hard at stuff, so I ask , have you produced side by side output from Photoshop, Canon Print Studio and QI Ultimate .

If you have done this , can you possibly post a selection from all three that would indicate the visual benefit of printing via Q Image ? Or, are you prepared to verbalise the visual differences in the output from these printing softwares.
I don't use PS for printing. I only use Canon PSP for printing profiling targets for the PRO-4000. All my printing is done from LR and Qimage at a ratio around 70/30 but I haven't done any side by side comparisons. They seem both excellent.
 
George I have to say that that sign is well sharpened !

Perhaps I shall have a browse. I tend to like the old route of grabbing the green chanel and using it to create a line drawing of the edges and then reversing and softening as a mask with a few tricks to selectively apply my sharpen choice. There are so many ways you can play in PS that it lets you paint and mask to your heart's content. Hell you can build actions to almost automate some of ity with many steps.

Guess for a quality output with no sweat that has something to offer .

Thanks.
 
George I have to say that that sign is well sharpened !

Perhaps I shall have a browse. I tend to like the old route of grabbing the green chanel and using it to create a line drawing of the edges and then reversing and softening as a mask with a few tricks to selectively apply my sharpen choice. There are so many ways you can play in PS that it lets you paint and mask to your heart's content. Hell you can build actions to almost automate some of ity with many steps.

Guess for a quality output with no sweat that has something to offer .

Thanks.
Ken,

As I said before, if you know what you are doing with PS, and it sure sounds like you do, you should be able to match Qimage quality. Qimage is nice because it does the proper output sharpening regardless of what size/paper you are using. I don't need to figure out how much to resharpen if my wife asks for the picture to printed on canvas instead of glossy.

There are a lot of other nice features in Qimage that I would hate to give up, even if the quality was no better than the competition. The quality is a nice bonus, but for the majority of my prints, Lightroom quality would be good enough.
 
I'd like to know if there are a lot of people that like and use Qimage for printing. Trying to make up my mind about it.
I have used Qimage for years, best software decision I made :-)

If you print get Qimage it's not that expensive and a perpetual license. Once you get the UI it simplifies printing, remembers the settings for a printer, paper, profile etc. It optimises the print fir type of printer, auto scales the print for whatever size you want, poster prints etc etc. Ever wondered whether you should use perceptual or relative colorimetric rendering intent, just tick auto in the options and Qimage will decide on a per image basis.

Ian
 
I'd like to know if there are a lot of people that like and use Qimage for printing. Trying to make up my mind about it.
I have used Qimage for years, best software decision I made :-)

If you print get Qimage it's not that expensive and a perpetual license. Once you get the UI it simplifies printing, remembers the settings for a printer, paper, profile etc. It optimises the print fir type of printer, auto scales the print for whatever size you want, poster prints etc etc. Ever wondered whether you should use perceptual or relative colorimetric rendering intent, just tick auto in the options and Qimage will decide on a per image basis.
Unfortunately not possible in Qimage One (auto option).
 
It'd be nice if the automatic rendering intent function wasn't a complete 'black box' and produced some analytic output as to how it made the choice of intent.

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It'd be nice if the automatic rendering intent function wasn't a complete 'black box' and produced some analytic output as to how it made the choice of intent.
Would be nice, but automatic rendering would be helpful already (as long as it' s good ofcourse).
 
Maybe.

How many times have you seen something that is numerically correct but not as appealing as a different rendition. I am not sure the AUTO setting even *tells* you which one it picked.
 
It'd be nice if the automatic rendering intent function wasn't a complete 'black box' and produced some analytic output as to how it made the choice of intent.
Some explanation here. You can jump to around 6:15 mark for quick answer.

 
Thanks! Will check it out.

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OK, saw the video. It just explains the function and doesn’t give any detail as to *how* it makes it's choice. No 'if more than 10% of pixels are OOG, then ....' or any usable info.

Would love to see something like the ThinkPro 3D plot of image gamut or at least something better than Photoshop's 'anything that is OOG is the same color (grey)'. Would like to understand how much of the image is OOG by how much (to the 'boundary' of the printer gamut).

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It's very good. Except I can't raise them over the past week. I have a license query.

Definitely worth using so you can print multiple images tiles on a sheet to save paper
 
I'd like to know if there are a lot of people that like and use Qimage for printing. Trying to make up my mind about it.
Excellent, powerful product with an astonishingly convoluted user interface. I've used it for many years and would not want to be without it.
 

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