Terrible Photographer
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You know it when you see it. I remember when I first saw a G9 at a Panasonic Demo at my local store and the first words out of my mouth were "wow look at that pincushion, why would they do that?"
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G9, any good?
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Adam-T
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A day was long enough to know that it`d drive me nuts . I shoot with Nikon DSLRs for my job and there`s no way I could get used to the G9`s button ----- the EM1-II is light but OK ..
That`s fine if its a main camera , only camera and you don`t do focus recompose but it`s none of those things for me . most of my time is spent with cameras with a normal shutter button .
I`m a full time working photographer been with canon and Nikon for many years, never encountered a button that light or felt the need for it . Again YMMV , I never shoot ultra tele for a living , the Em1-II / Fuji XH1 / D4 type is more than light enough .. TBH I`ve never shaken a D850 or 1DSMk3 either with the button
I shoot the D850 , D800E before and before those the Canon 1DS series - I have shot a D4 and D3S (though they`re sports cameras and not geared to my work) and none had a hair trigger like that G9, they were about the same as the EM1-II (notably Lighter than the D850 / D810/ D800E and way lighter than a Canon 1DS MK1/2/3 )
Nope, I reset it after loading up the latest Firmware (it was on an early one)
as I said in the (much needed on these forums) Disclamer - YMMV and in your case it does , glad you`ve been able to get on with it , I wish I had ...
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Trevor Carpenter
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You would think that after 100,000+ pictures I might have seen it by now
Chikubi
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Everyone's different, but I think you're really over-playing the viewfinder issues. Pincushion drives some people insane just because, but the truth is it's very minor in reality. It's never been an issue for me and I shoot all kinds of subjects including fairly technical ones.
The "wobble" is also very minor and nowhere near as bad as some make it out to be. It's like just the fact that it's there at all bugs some folks, but most of the time it's barely noticeable. I shoot AF-C pretty often for sports and such and I don't even pay attention to it. It's defintely less than any mirrorless I've had before, and I don't find it any more distracting than when I use AF-C on my Nikon pro bodies either.
Sounds to me like you just like Olympus' implementations better in general, which is fine, but what you're saying about the G9 seems a bit disingenuous based on my experience with it.
Adam-T
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I`m, thinking its 99% who CAN see it ------------- whether it bothers you is a different matter but you Trevor are the only one I`ve heard of who`s never seen it full stop
I have a G9 and I think The E-M1 III is the better choice.
1) You have the 12-100. That combo is amazing. They're specifically designed together for travel and together they fully exploit all the high-end features of the E-M1 III. (Focus Stacking, Pro-Capture, Handheld HiRes, SyncIS).
2) On paper the G9 seems to have similar features to the E-M1 III but in reality Olympus's implementations are generally better and useful.
So I think u should stick with the E-M1 III esp if you don't need the advanced video capabilities of the G9. The actually useful photo features of the E-M1 are definitely the way to go.
1) You have the 12-100. That combo is amazing. They're specifically designed together for travel and together they fully exploit all the high-end features of the E-M1 III. (Focus Stacking, Pro-Capture, Handheld HiRes, SyncIS).
2) On paper the G9 seems to have similar features to the E-M1 III but in reality Olympus's implementations are generally better and useful.
- They both have HighRes and, esp since the update, mode 2 is definitely more usable now on the G9, but its not at the ease of use of HandHeld HiRes that the EM1.3 have yet.
- The G9 has something similar to Pro Capture but for RAW output it only saves about half a second before full shutter press. To get a full second u'd need to use 6K Photo to get 18MP jpegs. On the Olympus the buffer is larger so u get a full second in RAW.
- With the in-camera focus stacking for macro .. yeah the G9 has it, and it works with any lens , but it doesn't deal with focus breathing well so the results tend to be full of artifacts. Olympus limits the feature to specific lenses. I theorize it's so they can take the focus breathing characteristics of the lens into account and from there they get better results so its actually usable.
- Olympus has refined their PDAF to give smoother focus transitions and lock on capability than the G9 now; so much so that even Vloggers are saying its a great vlogging camera now.
- The EM1.3 has longer live bulb limits whereas the G9 has a maximum of 60 secs I believe?
- Look how practically useful Live Composite is which the Panasonic lacks.
- They both have joysticks but G9's 4-way the EM 1.3 is 8 way
- Sure they're both somewhat weather resistant but Panasonic's manual makes sure to put up disclaimers. The E-M1 III is now IPX1 certified.
- The body packs in so much and yet its same size as the relatively diminutive G85 which is smaller than the G9 and therefore more portable.
So I think u should stick with the E-M1 III esp if you don't need the advanced video capabilities of the G9. The actually useful photo features of the E-M1 are definitely the way to go.
Trevor Carpenter
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I am trying very hard. I have the Oly60mm on at the moment and just tried again. But can't see anything. I use varifocals but still get a crystal clear EVF.
Cafe Racer
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99%! How did you arrive at that figure? I would have no idea what percentage of units are affected. Here's what it looks like.
I think these threads are like Amazon reviews some like some hate, in thd end draw an opinion from the general concensus. By the way I haven't really noticed the pin cushion and see it as a non issue.Also not mentioned one reason I bought it was because I was taken with the colour science ,much nicer than my previous Panasonics. I expect the Oly fans will but its not as good as xxx but I dont care as I've never wanted an Olympus for a number of reasons.
Trevor Carpenter
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you won't believe this I still can't see it. I do see a viewfinder that looks seriously less clear and bright than mine.99%! How did you arrive at that figure? I would have no idea what percentage of units are affected. Here's what it looks like.
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Wow. Mine is nothing like this. I don't see distortion at all on top/bottom. Right/left are maybe 50% of the distortion yours shows. I wonder if it could be a difference somewhere in settings.99%! How did you arrive at that figure? I would have no idea what percentage of units are affected. Here's what it looks like.
Cafe Racer
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I tried three G9's at three different camera shops on separate occasions. All three exhibited the same weird pincushion distortion. It's the first thing I noticed when I tried out the G9 for the first time. That's what prompted me to try other G9's at other shops in case it was an isolated problem. Unfortunately they were all the same.
Trevor Carpenter
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A fair list although none of it matter to me other than the extra1/2 second in pre burst but I'm not sure it gives me any benefit. You have however missed out the only thing that would tempt e down the Olympus path and that's the focus limiter. I would really appreciate that.
My evf looks just gorgeous to me. Far better than anything I used so far. Well maybe on par with the A7R 2...99%! How did you arrive at that figure? I would have no idea what percentage of units are affected. Here's what it looks like.
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Trevor Carpenter
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Ooh at last I can see nasty vignetting especially that horrible blue blob in the bottom right corner is that the pin cushioning. I don't get anything like that. My EVF is in a completely different league to that one in terms of clarity and brightness.
Ohh yeah forgot that. Yeah the main point is that even though they look like they have similar feature sets on paper. The Olympus implementations are better from a practical use standpoint. So if you value any of these the EM 1.3 is the better choice.
Chikubi
Senior Member
To be fair, you have to remember that not everybody uses the EVF with the same settings, so they may very well not see the pincushioning to the extent others might.99%! How did you arrive at that figure? I would have no idea what percentage of units are affected. Here's what it looks like.
The photo above shows the EVF being used in Monitor style and what looks to be the full-sized setting as well. That combo will show off the pincushioning at its worst, but for someone like myself who shoots with the EVF set to Viewfinder style (hate anyting in the framing area other than AF points) and also at one of the smaller sizes (eyeglasses), the pincushion appears notably less.
This is why people considering a camera - any camera for that matter - really owe it to themselves to test it first-person.
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I think it's a great camera and at the current prices a terrific value. But I don't see that it buys you much of anything compared to the E-M1iii. The interface between the two cameras is very different. I've not used the more recent Olympus bodies, but I prefer the Panasonic interface. That said, if you're comfortable with the Olympus interface a G9 is going to present a whole new experience.
Chikubi
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Fair enough, you know you. As long as you're happy with what you chose, rock it.
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