Does your Merrill "cut through the mist" ??

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Mine doesn't:

DP2 at left, DP2 Merrill at right
DP2 at left, DP2 Merrill at right

Yours? Examples?

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Ted, in Þe olde dayes of (B/W) film I remember using an R25 Wrattan filter over the lens in attempt to do this. I read it in a book on photography. I can't remember the exact results, but I think something happened. I no longer have that filter, or I'd try it on the old SD1M and look at the red channel of the resullting RGB image.

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Ted, in ye olde dayes of (B/W) film I remember using an R25 [Wratten] filter over the lens in attempt to do this. I read it in a book on photography. I can't remember the exact results, but I think something happened. I no longer have that filter, or I'd try it on the old SD1M and look at the red channel of the resulting RGB image.
In the OP, the Merrill had a Hoya UV(0) haze filter on it but there wasn't much UV about today. My understanding is that haze is not quite the same as mist/fog anyway. It was also bloody raining at the time - so I left the filter on.

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Great shots, how much did you push them in post? There are odd artifacts in them but I don't know if that is a gallery artifact or pushing them in post?

Shawn
 
No camera ever did, Foveon or not. If the sensor detects IR, it is less influenced by stray light from the mist.
And processing choices can change this quite a bit too. DXO Photolab has what they call Clearview Plus which will cut through this. Lightroom has the Dehaze control.

Shawn
 
+1

I agree with George!

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Enjoy! ;)

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No camera ever did, Foveon or not. If the sensor detects IR, it is less influenced by stray light from the mist.
And processing choices can change this quite a bit too. DXO Photolab has what they call Clearview Plus which will cut through this. Lightroom has the Dehaze control.
No post-processing in my shots. Both at SPP defaults > TIFF > RawTherapee w/ no adjustments > JPEG 100% Q, 4:2:0 sub-sampled.

DP2 2640x1760px (high res X3F)
DP2 2640x1760px (high res X3F)

DP2 Merrill 2336x1568px (low res X3F)
DP2 Merrill 2336x1568px (low res X3F)

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Ted
 
No camera ever did, Foveon or not. If the sensor detects IR, it is less influenced by stray light from the mist.
And processing choices can change this quite a bit too. DXO Photolab has what they call Clearview Plus which will cut through this. Lightroom has the Dehaze control.
No post-processing in my shots. Both at SPP defaults > TIFF > RawTherapee w/ no adjustments > JPEG 100% Q, 4:2:0 sub-sampled.

DP2 2640x1760px (high res X3F)
DP2 2640x1760px (high res X3F)

DP2 Merrill 2336x1568px (low res X3F)
DP2 Merrill 2336x1568px (low res X3F)
Apart from a slight green cast in the DP2 photo, I'm not seeing much difference at all. Either photo would give the viewer a pretty good idea of how foggy the scene is.

Anyway, I want to capture the mist / fog I shoot and I've never had any reason to complain about Sigma cameras.

Fog on the Siding Spring Observatory road.

Fog on the Siding Spring Observatory road.

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Capture all the light and colour!
 
No camera ever did, Foveon or not. If the sensor detects IR, it is less influenced by stray light from the mist.
And processing choices can change this quite a bit too. DXO Photolab has what they call Clearview Plus which will cut through this. Lightroom has the Dehaze control.
No post-processing in my shots. Both at SPP defaults > TIFF > RawTherapee w/ no adjustments > JPEG 100% Q, 4:2:0 sub-sampled.

DP2 2640x1760px (high res X3F)
DP2 2640x1760px (high res X3F)

DP2 Merrill 2336x1568px (low res X3F)
DP2 Merrill 2336x1568px (low res X3F)
Ted it's amazing how different the color in the two shots looks. The DP2 shot seems to have so much more green in it, that I was really shocked. The Merrill shot has a brighter sky. Very interesting. Thanks for posting these . . . and do you remember this thread?


Not too long ago someone showed me how I could use the Dehaze "filter" in Lightroom to "cut through the haze" in one of my old landscape photos, which included fog in a canyon in Zion National Park. I shot that photo with my Canon 5 D many years ago, and it looks quite different without the fog blocking the view of the canyon so much. I don't know how I might go the other way (enhancing the fog/mist/haze), if I were shooting with a Merrill. This is one of the many reasons why I like my SD Quattro H better than my SD1 Merrill (more control over the visibility of mist/fog/haze).

Recently you posted this link: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62241344

. . . in a list of links in this post: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62365793

What makes you start this new thread Ted?

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... do you remember this thread?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62237097

Recently you posted this link: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62241344

. . . in a list of links in this post: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62365793

What makes you start this new thread Ted?
Oops, I had forgotten all of those, Scott. (getting old).

It was a misty day with slight precipitation and I had the two cameras handy, charged up and ready to go.

So out I went ...
 
No camera ever did, Foveon or not. If the sensor detects IR, it is less influenced by stray light from the mist.
And processing choices can change this quite a bit too. DXO Photolab has what they call Clearview Plus which will cut through this. Lightroom has the Dehaze control.
And here's the DP2 shot DeHazed and adjusted further in RawTherapee:

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Ted
 
Here it is through DXO Photolab with Clearview Plus turned on at default settings.

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Shawn
I'm not a fan of DxO but that looks fine to me, Shawn.

I tried it with some Retinex today and the result was horrible, not even going to post it. :-(

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Ho Hum
Ted
 
I'm not a fan of DxO but that looks fine to me, Shawn.

I tried it with some Retinex today and the result was horrible, not even going to post it. :-(
I'm surprised, I think DXO Photolab 3 is very versatile. Esp with the Nik plugins now integrated into it and Filmpak and Viewpoint plug ins. Prime NR is amazing. Biggest issue is just the limited cameras it supports.

Shawn
 
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Here it is through DXO Photolab with Clearview Plus turned on at default settings.

c73a44e7c3274240bace28ec36c77a0f.jpg

Shawn
Or, in other words, "de-hazing" works.

One just has to do it properly.

The question is whether SPP, in combination with the Merrill cameras, actually does something like this. Or as if by magic, the Merrill sensor is able to do it on its own. unbidden, and as a matter of course.

I have seen claims that Merrill cameras can cut through atmospheric haze, so that distant objects are clearer with the Merrill cameras. One might assume that eliminating all haze would be a good thing. Plainly, on some reflection, that is not true.

I have used a primitive de-hazing process, using unsharp masking, and it worked well with the SD10.

Or is this kind of de-hazing claim in some way related to the odd, perverse (?) detail settings that are available on the Merrill cameras and SPP, and which change both color and detail in Merrill images?

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Here it is through DXO Photolab with Clearview Plus turned on at default settings.

c73a44e7c3274240bace28ec36c77a0f.jpg

Shawn
Or, in other words, "de-hazing" works.

One just has to do it properly.

The question is whether SPP, in combination with the Merrill cameras, actually does something like this. Or as if by magic, the Merrill sensor is able to do it on its own. unbidden, and as a matter of course.

I have seen claims that Merrill cameras can cut through atmospheric haze, so that distant objects are clearer with the Merrill cameras. One might assume that eliminating all haze would be a good thing. Plainly, on some reflection, that is not true.

I have used a primitive de-hazing process, using unsharp masking, and it worked well with the SD10.

Or is this kind of de-hazing claim in some way related to the odd, perverse (?) detail settings that are available on the Merrill cameras and SPP, and which change both color and detail in Merrill images?
Yup, my take is that it is processing related. I think it is that processing that also gives the 'Merrill clouds' as de haze processing alters clouds in a similar way.

sd Quattro H...

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With DXO Clearview Plus On (it is also highlighting the color shift in the left edge from the adapted Rokinon 14mm)

With DXO Clearview Plus On (it is also highlighting the color shift in the left edge from the adapted Rokinon 14mm)

100% comparison of center image
100% comparison of center image

and here is a sd Quattro H cloud picture...

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 w/ DXO Clearview Plus on

w/ DXO Clearview Plus on



With a side by side comparison
With a side by side comparison



Shawn
 
I'm not a fan of DxO but that looks fine to me, Shawn.

I tried it with some Retinex today and the result was horrible, not even going to post it. :-(
I'm surprised, I think DXO Photolab 3 is very versatile. Esp with the Nik plugins now integrated into it and Filmpak and Viewpoint plug ins. Prime NR is amazing. Biggest issue is just the limited cameras it supports.

Shawn
I dislike DxO because of their dumbed-down metrics for their reviews and because, for them, Sigma does not exist. I do realize that Photolab is a separate entity and, yes, I'm biased to the extent that my computer is Adobe-free. Sad, ennit?

I have my own stuff that I use and like and I have no need of theirs.

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